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WP7 = FailThat's got to be a great feeling at Microsoft, they have been LOSING market share overall as more Windows Mobile users are leaving than the number of new users going to WP7. | |
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Re: WP7 = FailDon't worry, Windows 8 will bring WP7 to the desktop so most users will be "forced" into liking it. Expect to see an uptick in Windows Phone usage after Windows 7 to Windows 8 migration happens. | |
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2011-Jun-2 11:01 am
Re: WP7 = FailWindows 8 is not going to be adapted if MS follows their usual approach to windows releases:
98 - good, ME - bad, XP - good, Vista - bad, 7 - good, 8 - ?
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Re: WP7 = FailI won't be upgrading from win7 for awhile. it works great. | |
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Re: WP7 = FailI'm pretty happy with Windows 7. I'm running it on my laptop at the office.
Unfortunately, the records keeping system we're using is 14 years old, and uses Visual Fox Pro as it's database. It doesn't run on Windows 7. | |
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2011-Jun-2 2:29 pm
Re: WP7 = FailWow - shades of Foxpro. I have Vista (gack) on home + work PC, and Ubuntu as dual boot. My neighbor had me install Ubuntu on her Windows 7, as they were tired with the pop-ups and garbage apps.
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2011-Jun-2 2:42 pm
Re: WP7 = FailYeah, it's out of date.
The pop ups aren't an issue for me/us. I'm running everything AD so you have to log off, and then log on as an admin to wipe your nose after you sneeze.
Which, I will add has been a great improvement for us. When I took over we had 2 XP boxes running on a workgroup through a Linksys router. Everything was wide open in Admin mode, with all our stored data (about 12 years of electronic records) sitting on one of the workstations.
Someone (who later got fired) decided to hit the prono sites on the networked workstation and screwed it up pretty bad. That was when I got them to pull the trigger on the upgrades... | |
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said by Dodge:Windows 8 is not going to be adapted if MS follows their usual approach to windows releases:
98 - good, ME - bad, XP - good, Vista - bad, 7 - good, 8 - ?
By the time MS desktop OS catches up windows mobile is going to be irrelevant. Geez. anything before 2000 was bad, everything after is good. Don't knock Vista as it was the first major change in 6 years of XP. 7 is just a slicker version of Vista. The only problem people had with Vista was legacy support for hardware which naturally went away when 7 came out because all the hardware was then up-to-date with the new driver method. Windows 8 looks amazing, especially for tablets. Mango for WP7 and next gen hardware will give it the performance and feature competitiveness. | |
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Re: WP7 = FailMy biggest grip about Vista and Win7 is that the like to move stuff around. Make it better, make it prettier, but damn it leave things where the belong. There is no practical reason to reorganize the control panel. | |
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Re: WP7 = Failsaid by battleop:My biggest grip about Vista and Win7 is that the like to move stuff around. Make it better, make it prettier, but damn it leave things where the belong. There is no practical reason to reorganize the control panel. Yea, the whole "Change for Changes' Sake" approach is what hurt both Vista and Office 2007. The only redeeming feature of Vista is that it trained users for Win7. NV | |
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To be honest, when Android got started, it had a really low market share for about a year, before it finally took off. Course, this was after it expanded to more manufacturers and carriers (remember Verizon and their Droid). Now its got a commanding lead.
Same way with WP7. It just got released, and Verizon just got their first WP7 to be released, (yes the other 3 carriers had it before), not to mention that Nokia partnership, so I would give it some time to see where things are headed. | |
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Re: WP7 = FailAccording to Gartner, Microsoft sold more Windows Mobile devices in Q1 than WP7 devices The sales figure are below :
If you notice the image above, you will see a saddening figure. What it really means is that there is a significant drop ( from 6.8% in 2010 to 3.6 % in 2011) in interest in Microsoft's mobile operating system. According to the report, Microsoft sold $ 3.6 million devices running their Operating system but Windows mobile 6.x outsold Windows Phone 7, which comes in as a surprise. Out of the 3.6 million devices sold only 1.6 million of em were devices running WP7, a slow start indeed for Microsoft. What's more surprising is that there are people out there buying a WinMo device!
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Yeah. We all knew WP 7 would be fail. Nokia can't save it and WP 7 will be another KIN.
People don't openly choose Windows or Microsoft as a brand. You can see this in XBOX - ask most who make it and they have no clue. And MS is not the dominant marketing - the XBOX brand is.
Same with Windows. People associate Windows with their clunky junky computer at work or at home. That's why overall PC sales are flat or going down while Mac sales are going up. It's a small trend but it's a trend nonetheless.
And don't get me started on what a horrible UI WP7 is. Even Windows 8 is horrible. Microsoft really needs to learn how to design good looking UI's. What they have on Vista/7/8/Phone is an abysmal mess. MS, put some THOUGHT into it and see how it's done right. | |
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Re: WP7 = Failsaid by itguy05:People associate Windows with their clunky junky computer at work or at home. That's why overall PC sales are flat or going down while Mac sales are going up. It's a small trend but it's a trend nonetheless. An amusing assumption. A very large percentage of those new Macs run Windows. VMWare and Parallels are having nice market growth due to that, not to mention Boot Camp. I'd still take "flat" at >85% than a small increase from 10 to 11% over five years. | |
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Re: WP7 = Failsaid by 56403739:An amusing assumption. A very large percentage of those new Macs run Windows. VMWare and Parallels are having nice market growth due to that, not to mention Boot Camp.
Source please. I know very few who switched to the Mac that actually run Windows. Most that have switched want to get away from Windows. I've got Parallels with a Win 7 and an XP VM. I boot them once to update, once to program my Ham radio, and once if someone needs help with their Windows box. Other than that they sit there taking up space. Certainly don't need Windows and the majority don't load it on their Mac. Especially if they don't have a non-OEM copy. quote: I'd still take "flat" at >85% than a small increase from 10 to 11% over five years. I'm sure there was a GM exec that said the same thing back in the 60's-70's. Look how well that worked for them. I'm sure an IBM exec said the same thing in the 80's. Any increasing decline is a bad thing. At some point it will snowball and it will be game over. Corporate users are where MS has the most control. Due to poor decisions to adopt a MS strategy where you are locked tightly into their platform. But that will fall eventually. | |
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said by Rambo76098:That's got to be a great feeling at Microsoft, they have been LOSING market share overall as more Windows Mobile users are leaving than the number of new users going to WP7. Microsoft is in it for the long run. Although their mango update is how it should have been released, they're making a lot of progress. Their OS is already vastly superior to ios. It just needs to catch up to android. Give it a few years. *Wp7, ios, android user. | |
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Re: WP7 = Failsaid by Alcohol Microsoft is in it for the long run. Although their mango update is how it should have been released, they're making a lot of progress. Their OS is already vastly superior to ios. It just needs to catch up to android. Give it a few years. Except iOS is nearing another huge release next week. And Android is planning the next updates.
I'd also challenge anyone who says WP7 is better than iOS. Most say it's not. And the UI is a mess on WP7, plain and simple. Huge tiles on a small screen are not what anyone wants. | |
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2011-Jun-2 12:54 pm
Re: WP7 = FailUI is not a mess by any means. What problems did you have with it?
I find it a lot smoother than ios.
Tiles aren't huge. Screen isn't small.. I think you're thinking of kin? | |
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Re: WP7 = FailSo tiles that show no real information and take up way too much space. Do I need 1/8 of my homescreen to tell me I have a missed call, messages, etc?
The huge headings that go off the page are not a good idea and look lame.
What exactly does the people tile do? Show me pics of my contacts? Useless.
Sorry, Metro is a nasty UI. It may have been cool in 1998 but not now. My Droid X has resizeable widgets, shortcuts, etc. that are all functional and take up less screen real estate. | |
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2011-Jun-2 1:12 pm
Re: WP7 = FailActually they show plenty of information and i find them very useful.
I like having the tiles update something like my current locations weather. Instead of going into the app, i can just see information on the live tile.
And the potential is there for a lot more. They demoed how the tiles will update according to how long till your next flight. It will change colors, alert you how much time you have left. All from the home screen. Something like this can be very useful. The power to control the live tiles is given to the developers.
And i already said android is superior to Wp7 so you don't have to convince me of that. I'm still going to be switching to EVO 3D when it comes out. But wp7 is, without a doubt, my 2nd favorite OS right now. | |
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Once Nokia phones have WP7/8 on them, I'll take a look. I love HTC phones, but the camera on Nokia's are tempting, especially once they have Windows on them. | |
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Who's Now?How did 'Now" end up controlling 36% of the market overnight? I've never even heard of them. | |
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2011-Jun-2 11:30 am
582 MB..Sounds about right. Back when I had lame ass windows mobile and "dumb phones" I would be lucky to hit 100 MBs a month and I had to really be trying to get that high. Ever since I had my android device I look at my usage and it is up close to a GB or more for data each month and I ask myself how in the heck am I using that much. I really dont know where its all going. | |
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Re: 582 MB..i hit 2gb easily and I don't stream much of anything. i don't know where the data goes but i'm using it. | |
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Re: 582 MB..said by ArrayList:what does "phone home" mean? Frome Wikipedia » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ph ··· ing_homePhoning home, in computing, refers to an act of client to server communication where a client device or client application software reports its location on a network, the currently logged on user, or any other information to a server computer.
Phoning home may be useful in tracking a missing or stolen computer. This type of phoning home is frequently used on mobile computers at corporations. It typically involves a software agent which is difficult to detect or remove. However, there are malicious types of phoning home such as surreptitious communication between applications or hardware installed at end-user sites and their manufacturers or developers. The traffic may be encrypted to make it difficult or impractical for the end-user to ascertain what data is being transmitted. | |
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this showsandroid is better than iphone now. You can do more things with android. If you use that much data you are doing something. | |
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2011-Jun-2 11:52 am
Re: this showssaid by hayabusa3303:android is better than iphone now. You can do more things with android. If you use that much data you are doing something. Ya, but not necessarily anything useful to you. Google may be streaming your location data in real-time, or your apps are downloading a bazillion ads in the background and killing your battery in the process. | |
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Re: this showssaid by tmh :said by hayabusa3303:android is better than iphone now. You can do more things with android. If you use that much data you are doing something. Ya, but not necessarily anything useful to you. Google may be streaming your location data in real-time, or your apps are downloading a bazillion ads in the background and killing your battery in the process. Although they do have true multi-tasking. This is not a common thing. | |
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TetheringThat's how I use most of my data | |
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Re: TetheringI use 1447.5543 MB and I only teather my Xoom. | |
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9% for Windows Mobile compared to Windows Phone 7?In my opinion, I found that to be impressive. I guess 9 percenters prefer to stick with Windows Mobile and din't want to move to Windows Phone 7, don't you think?
Could a Mango update of Windows Phone 7 allow me to publish my own applications without going through a Windows Phone Marketplace? This gives Windows Mobile an advantage over Windows Phone 7 and that Windows Mobile does not have any hardware restrictions/requirements.
Plus, I tend to think that all the Windows Phone 7 phones are equal except for screen type, screen size, whether it has GSM or CDMA in it, and different looks. But I still stress that all WP7 phones are pretty much equal due to hardware restrictions and requirements, even though that's my opinion. | |
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Re: 9% for Windows Mobile compared to Windows Phone 7?said by GraysonPeddi:In my opinion, I found that to be impressive. I guess 9 percenters prefer to stick with Windows Mobile and din't want to move to Windows Phone 7, don't you think?
Could a Mango update of Windows Phone 7 allow me to publish my own applications without going through a Windows Phone Marketplace? This gives Windows Mobile an advantage over Windows Phone 7 and that Windows Mobile does not have any hardware restrictions/requirements.
Plus, I tend to think that all the Windows Phone 7 phones are equal except for screen type, screen size, whether it has GSM or CDMA in it, and different looks. But I still stress that all WP7 phones are pretty much equal due to hardware restrictions and requirements, even though that's my opinion. The hardware restrictions work as a minimum requirement, not as this is what you need to have. So you'll see dual core, and faster processors even though the minimum requirements will remain the same. Just wait till Nokia gets in it. WP7 is relatively new and needs time to develop. It definitely won't be as innovative as android phones, but HTC usually does something interesting (htc surround). | |
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Mobile phones != mobile market shareMobile phones are only one segment of the mobile market. Today we have tablets such as iPad and wifi only mobile devices such as the iPod touch.
When you compare all of Apple's iOS devices to all of the Android devices in the US, iOS actually has a larger market share.
That's pretty impressive considering that iOS is only available on devices from one specific company whereas Android can be on anything from a Motorola Xoom to a crappy chinese iPhone lookalike. | |
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2011-Jun-2 6:15 pm
Re: Not to knock AndroidAnd isn't it nice that they all use the same standard usb power port across hundreds of devices? They can have a motorola xoom and an htc evo, a blackberry, and a windows phone, and charge all of them with the same charger?
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2011-Jun-2 5:47 pm
smartphones have dumb users..I call bullshit on this article and its summary. The wording of this article is deliberately misleading - Android does not control 36% of the phone OS market any more than Apple 'commands' 26%. The actual Neilsen source describes the truth - these are percentages of THE SMARTPHONE MARKET.
Microsoft is screwed for the next 12-18 months until Nokia can produce products that use WP7. But when they do, you'll see that marketshare climbing rapidly, not because all the rich hipster-dufuses and computer geeks started changing to WP7.. you'll see it increase because the smartphone market will include the MILLIONS of poor Africans and Chinese who now (and still will) buy Nokia DUMBPHONES.. because those old Nokias won't be running stripped-down Symbian without internet access anymore, they'll be running WP7.
And need I remind you that the vaunted smartphone market that Android and Apple so dominate is but a tiny ~20% of the actual cellphone market? 30-40% in some western countries but still far less than 50% even in the US, Canada or UK and less than 10% in many developing countries. You would do well to remember that very little of the world's population lines up for days every time to buy Steve Jobs' latest tech-orgasm, or hangs on every toy Eric Schmidt waves around at a conference, despite what the press and media would like everyone to think. | |
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2011-Jun-2 5:59 pm
PROTIP:The vast majority of cellphone users don't give a damn whether their phone is an Apple, Android or anything else - they'll buy whatever's cheap and reliable, or offered FREE by their carrier.
Users will not be scared away by 'malware' on a phone. They'll look at the list of phones their carrier offers (about 50% Android these days, 20-25% Blackberry and another 20-25% generic dumbphones) and buy whatever has the best features at the lowest price. Right now that's Android because everybody and his dog are flooding the market with crappy variations on a theme. Every month HTC, or LG or Samsung puke out another minor variation on the same model they've sold for the last year or so.. lather, rinse, repeat.
But by late 2012, all those generic Nokia phones will be replaced with WP7-based smartphones.. and they'll be going for $20 with a contract renewal.
And let's not even get into all the 3rd-world users who now buy Nokia phones, and still recognize and trust their brand. Nokia plans to turn its developers loose on WP7 applications - they intend to own that market from the ground up in Africa and Asia by providing functional applications that tie their phones to the network, banking and business, not lightsaber noises and angry birds.. | |
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Re: PROTIP:said by RalphWiggam :But by late 2012, all those generic Nokia phones will be replaced with WP7-based smartphones.. and they'll be going for $20 with a contract renewal.
And let's not even get into all the 3rd-world users who now buy Nokia phones, and still recognize and trust their brand. Nokia plans to turn its developers loose on WP7 applications - they intend to own that market from the ground up in Africa and Asia by providing functional applications that tie their phones to the network, banking and business, not lightsaber noises and angry birds.. You can get a WP7 for $50 which is relatively cheap and yet WP7 phones are not selling. Why couldn't Nokia turn its developers loose on the Symbian platform and go after the Asia, Africa and Latin American markets with "functional" applications? Do you really believe that Nokia's hardware will be so much better than HTC, Motorola or Samsung (considering that the hardware in their smart phones are vastly inferior to Android and IOS phones) that they will take market share away from those companies? WP7 cant save Nokia and Nokia cant save WP7. I am afraid that Nokia = cheap dumb phones. | |
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2011-Jun-14 2:15 pm
Re: PROTIP:said by compton:You can get a WP7 for $50 which is relatively cheap and yet WP7 phones are not selling. Maybe $50USD is cheap to YOU. How cheap is that to an African farmer who makes $80/mo.? said by compton:Why couldn't Nokia turn its developers loose on the Symbian platform and go after the Asia, Africa and Latin American markets with "functional" applications? Do you really believe that Nokia's hardware will be so much better than HTC, Motorola or Samsung (considering that the hardware in their smart phones are vastly inferior to Android and IOS phones) that they will take market share away from those companies? WP7 cant save Nokia and Nokia cant save WP7. I am afraid that Nokia = cheap dumb phones. Why didn't Nokia properly develop Symbian apps for this 3rd-world market? That's a good question - I suppose the answer would explain why they've had to give up on it despite ten years of development and over 380 million phones. I suspect it had something to do with their onerous licensing for Symbian and failure to make adequate development tools available outside their own environment. The REAL keys to the popularity of the iPhone and Android in western markets is the availability of cheap apps and open internet access. You really can't think of anything beyond YOUR use, and YOUR definition of a 'good' product, can you? 'The hardware in their phones is vastly inferior to Android and IOS phones'. By what standard do you judge that? The standard that they spit out a new model every week? The standard that you can't buy a model with the same UI and the same software support 6-8 months after you bought the last one because the phone's been discontinued? The standard that the phones are designed to break down 6 months after the warranty expires? Nokia phones have been the overall leader in the cellular market for over TEN YEARS. They are a respected and trusted brand - just because YOU don't like or want their phones doesn't mean the 4.5 billion people in the developing world don't. If you knew anything about cellular technology and marketing to those markets, you'd understand that practical applications that help in education, agriculture or business that are tied to the phone platform or carrier engender a lot more brand loyalty than the shallow crap people buy iPhones for. tl;dr - the worldwide cellular market doesn't really turn on Apple's latest gimmick, and subsistence farmers and illiterate peasants can't afford an iPhone. | |
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2011-Jun-2 6:30 pm
BS!I call bull**** on this article and its summary. The wording of this article is deliberately misleading - Android does not control 36% of the phone OS market any more than Apple 'commands' 26%. The actual Neilsen source describes the truth - these are percentages of THE SMARTPHONE MARKET.
Microsoft is screwed for the next 12-18 months until Nokia can produce products that use WP7. But when they do, you'll see that marketshare climbing rapidly, not because all the rich hipster-dufuses and computer geeks started changing to WP7.. you'll see it increase because the smartphone market will include the MILLIONS of poor Africans and Chinese who now (and still will) buy Nokia DUMBPHONES.. because those old Nokias won't be running stripped-down Symbian without internet access anymore, they'll be running WP7.
And need I remind you that the vaunted smartphone market that Android and Apple so dominate is but a tiny ~20% of the actual cellphone market? 30-40% in some western countries but still far less than 50% even in the US, Canada or UK and less than 10% in many developing countries. You would do well to remember that very little of the world's population lines up for days every time to buy Steve Jobs' latest tech-orgasm, or hangs on every toy Eric Schmidt waves around at a conference, despite what the press and media would like everyone to think. | |
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Re: BS!said by RalphWiggam :I call bull**** on this article and its summary. The wording of this article is deliberately misleading - Android does not control 36% of the phone OS market any more than Apple 'commands' 26%. The actual Neilsen source describes the truth - these are percentages of THE SMARTPHONE MARKET.
Microsoft is screwed for the next 12-18 months until Nokia can produce products that use WP7. But when they do, you'll see that marketshare climbing rapidly, not because all the rich hipster-dufuses and computer geeks started changing to WP7.. you'll see it increase because the smartphone market will include the MILLIONS of poor Africans and Chinese who now (and still will) buy Nokia DUMBPHONES.. because those old Nokias won't be running stripped-down Symbian without internet access anymore, they'll be running WP7.
And need I remind you that the vaunted smartphone market that Android and Apple so dominate is but a tiny ~20% of the actual cellphone market? 30-40% in some western countries but still far less than 50% even in the US, Canada or UK and less than 10% in many developing countries. You would do well to remember that very little of the world's population lines up for days every time to buy Steve Jobs' latest tech-orgasm, or hangs on every toy Eric Schmidt waves around at a conference, despite what the press and media would like everyone to think. Apple and Google was never interested in the dumb phone market so their products are geared for the smart phone sector. Also, the smart phone market is projected to grow rapidly in the next few years. For example, by the end of this year half of phone sales in the US will be smart phone. Africa and Asia want smart phones too. | |
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2011-Jun-14 2:21 pm
Re: BS!said by compton:Apple and Google was never interested in the dumb phone market so their products are geared for the smart phone sector. Also, the smart phone market is projected to grow rapidly in the next few years. For example, by the end of this year half of phone sales in the US will be smart phone. Africa and Asia want smart phones too. ...And they're not going to pay 3 months wages to buy a phone that will die in 18 months. Nokia can and will build phones that put WP7 into those markets at local price points. THE END. I see only one competitor capable of that volume and willing to compete in those low-end markets- Huawei. Not HTC, not Samsung and quite obviously (to anyone who understands business) not Apple. | |
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App updatesApps updates are probably half of the app downloading traffic or more. They seem to need updates like every other day! | |
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And that number will continue risingacross all phone and carriers as MORE people get MORE EXPERIENCE with their phones with MORE apps
This 2gb cap or just several GB caps are an absolute crime.
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