Metatron2008You're it Premium Member join:2008-09-02 united state
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I don't trust that 'handy tool'In order to see if your UDID has been hacked, you must submit your UDID on a nonsecure form? | |
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| swintec Premium Member join:2003-12-19 Alfred, ME |
swintec
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2012-Sep-4 12:42 pm
Re: I don't trust that 'handy tool'Well honestly, it appears just owning an apple device means you have given up security to begin with. What more is typing it on a form gonna do? | |
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Re: I don't trust that 'handy tool'said by swintec:Well honestly, it appears just owning an apple "smart" device means you have given up security to begin with. What more is typing it on a form gonna do? FIFY This story is one of the reasons I've not been particularly anxious to own a "smart" device. IIRC, this is not the first such story we're heard--tho I do not recall if the others were government agencies that got the info. Jim | |
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| | | intellerSociopaths always win. join:2003-12-08 Tulsa, OK |
Re: I don't trust that 'handy tool'yes but they are zeroed in on apple devices because lemmings have put them at the top of marketshare here in the united states of Amerika. | |
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| | | clone (banned) join:2000-12-11 Portage, IN |
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said by jseymour:said by swintec:Well honestly, it appears just owning an apple "smart" computing device means you have given up security to begin with. What more is typing it on a form gonna do? FIFY This story is one of the reasons I've not been particularly anxious to own a "smart" computing device. IIRC, this is not the first such story we're heard--tho I do not recall if the others were government agencies that got the info. Jim Every network-enabled computing device can be viewed as a security/privacy risk. Although internet connectivity is now practically compulsory, it makes sense to disable your data connection (wired or wireless) whenever it is not is use. | |
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said by jseymour:said by swintec:Well honestly, it appears just owning an apple "smart" device means you have given up security to begin with. What more is typing it on a form gonna do? FIFY This story is one of the reasons I've not been particularly anxious to own a "smart" device. IIRC, this is not the first such story we're heard--tho I do not recall if the others were government agencies that got the info. Jim Same here as far as not particularly anxious to own a "smart" device or any Google crap programs!! Gotta love how secure our nations top agencies are though, huh, no matter how the hacker group got any info. | |
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Re: I don't trust that 'handy tool'The only thing that has me puzzle is the fact they got hack and instead of fighting back they are acting like nothing happen. Is this a trap they set? if so Antisec felt for it. | |
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| | silbaco Premium Member join:2009-08-03 USA |
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I really don't see how Apple has any blame in this. From what we can tell, Apple didn't give away this information. Most likely a developer gave this information to the FBI, and it was the FBI who lost it and shouldn't have had it in the first place. Blaming Apple or iOS devices is stupid. | |
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dib22
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2012-Sep-4 1:05 pm
Re: I don't trust that 'handy tool'said by silbaco:I really don't see how Apple has any blame in this. Perhaps not in this case, but Apple goes out of it's way to leak users information whenever they have a chance. Sync Contacts? Cleartext Sync Calendar? Cleartext Order a free fart app on itunes? Send your physical address via email. Send a crash report to apple from a mac or ios device? Cleartext Applications on ios and macos phone home constantly, pegging you to an IP address. For a company who is so proud of their security claim, they sure don't seem to understand how to encrypt anything. | |
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Re: I don't trust that 'handy tool'He has a point and gave his thought you and the other hand you turned into a troll. Look you don't like apple fine but to call him a lemming when you are another lemming is sad. | |
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dib22
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2012-Sep-4 3:32 pm
Re: I don't trust that 'handy tool'said by Eddy120876:He has a point and gave his thought you and the other hand you turned into a troll. Look you don't like apple fine but to call him a lemming when you are another lemming is sad. I own several apple products thank you, in fact if you re-read you will see I agreed (with what little we know) in this case. I just took the opportunity to point out that apple should tighten up its security to help us maintain our privacy. ... and for what it's worth... I loved Lemmings. | |
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Re: I don't trust that 'handy tool'Well if you wanted to get your point across theres no need to denigrate or insult a fellow poster that didn't agree with you. instead just saying what you told me would had work out "I just took the opportunity to point out that apple should tighten up its security to help us maintain our privacy." that would be enough. the Lemming part is way over the top | |
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ImbeckYon
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2012-Sep-6 5:01 pm
Re: I don't trust that 'handy tool'What the heck are you talking about?
Lemmings was brought up by a different poster altogether, and dib22's post you're complaining about has nothing insulting or abrasive in it, unless you are Apple's security chief. Lighten up. | |
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Re: I don't trust that 'handy tool'Im not talking about another poster Im talking about what you said. Thats why i told you had you said what you said the second time I would had agree with you. Im no apple worker what i hate is just blind rage from Fandroid. Look you don't like Apple fine thats your choice but to say some people are lemmings because they like apple all i can say "the kettle calling the tea pot black" why because people will pick and choose who to defend. | |
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dib22
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2012-Sep-11 4:43 pm
Re: I don't trust that 'handy tool'said by Eddy120876:Im not talking about another poster Im talking about what you said. That anon post wasn't me... or are you referring to the anon poster? Thats why i told you had you said what you said the second time I would had agree with you. Im no apple worker what i hate is just blind rage from Fandroid. Look you don't like Apple fine thats your choice but to say some people are lemmings because they like apple all i can say "the kettle calling the tea pot black" why because people will pick and choose who to defend. The only Fanboi in this subthread is you I try to point out apples security issues every chance I get... in hopes they will hear and change I didn't say anything negative to the post I replied to... perhaps you have me confused with another subthread? | |
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| nightshade74Yet another genxer Premium Member join:2004-11-06 Prattville, AL |
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Read through the link » pastebin.com/nfVT7b0ZDownload and decrypt the text w/ openssl per the instructions... Grep through the text for your UDID.... | |
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"If you are concerned about your security, please enter just part of your UDID."
It's even in bold... | |
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Re: I don't trust that 'handy tool'I don't know if there is any truth to it but I read it must be the first part of the UUID, not the middle or the end. Otherwise the site may report a false positive.
The folks here are techie enough that they should probably just download the list and check with their favorite grep-like tool of choice. | |
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FFH5 Premium Member join:2002-03-03 Tavistock NJ |
FFH5
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2012-Sep-4 1:27 pm
FBI Has Explaining to Do? How about AntiSecLet's put the blame where it mostly lies - with another lowlife hacking group. | |
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| rrw1313 Premium Member join:2001-03-05 Taylor, PA 1 edit |
rrw1313
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2012-Sep-4 1:36 pm
Re: FBI Has Explaining to Do? How about AntiSecI'm not sure who I distrust more. The group that's telling me the FBI keeps this info, or the FBI for having it without my knowledge. Why do they need it and what other info does the FBI have on me? | |
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| crazediamondMaybe you shouldn't be so proud? Premium Member join:2002-01-19 Brooklyn, NY |
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Right, it's antisec's fault that the FBI has this information.
Wait, what? | |
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Re: FBI Has Explaining to Do? How about AntiSecAntiSec is any better by releasing it? | |
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Re: FBI Has Explaining to Do? How about AntiSecFor exposing the abuses of our government? Sure, they are better.
See that is the thing about lying.
1.) It takes a lot more work to cover up the lie than it does to explain the truth and deal with it. 2.) The truth will always come out eventually. Then more lying trying to continue to justify it puts up back at #1.
There are very few things our government has to actually do in secret. There are even fewer things that need to remain a secret after they have been done. That even applies to our National Security and quest to save the children. | |
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Re: FBI Has Explaining to Do? How about AntiSec"For exposing the abuses of our government? Sure, they are better."
There may be 12 Million people who will disagree with you. AntiSec has no justification in releasing the contents of what they found. | |
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Re: FBI Has Explaining to Do? How about AntiSecThey also have no obligation in protecting it. | |
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There may also be 12 million people thanking them for exposing how they were being exploited by the FBI and the very government that they should be able to trust. | |
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| | | crazediamondMaybe you shouldn't be so proud? Premium Member join:2002-01-19 Brooklyn, NY |
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Look, Romney's big fan up there said the blame lies with antisec. Unless antisec put this data on the FBI laptop, the blame lies with the FBI.
Romney's big fan is trying the "hey look over there" defense. As someone else responded, apparently because he's a big fan of the Obama administration as well. | |
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Jim Kirk
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2012-Sep-4 4:00 pm
Re: FBI Has Explaining to Do? How about AntiSecsaid by crazediamond:Look, Romney's big fan up there said the blame lies with antisec. Unless antisec put this data on the FBI laptop, the blame lies with the FBI.
Romney's big fan is trying the "hey look over there" defense. As someone else responded, apparently because he's a big fan of the Obama administration as well. Two sides, one coin. | |
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said by FFH5:Let's put the blame where it mostly lies - with another lowlife hacking group. ...for exposing the potentially illegal things a government is doing... Sometimes people need to be shown in bold some things, or they won't believe it. Hell the vast majority of people thinks the Federal Reserve Bank is a government institution and wouldn't conceive otherwise... | |
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| LightS Premium Member join:2005-12-17 Greenville, TX 1 edit
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No, the FBI has explaining to do, not them.
AntiSec has done quite a few impressive jobs. If you disagree with their point of view, and assuming you actually read through the articles linked...
To sum it up: The FBI, a government agency, had a computer that was exploited and found a large amount of apple devices.
My question isn't why did AntiSec they do what they did - who cares, they do what they want to do... | |
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Re: FBI Has Explaining to Do? How about AntiSecsaid by LightS:No, the FBI has explaining to do, not them.
AntiSec has done quite a few impressive jobs. If you disagree with their point of view, and assuming you actually read through the articles linked...
To sum it up: The FBI, a government agency, had a computer that was exploited and found a large amount of apple devices.
My question isn't why did they do what they did - who cares, they do what they want to do... I am sure there is some risk involved by the FBI to answer the question "why". Taking the tinfoil hat off, 12 million isn't every iPhone in the world, or the US. » www.learn-cocos2d.com/20 ··· support/Granted, who knows how legit the above link is for sales statistics, but we all know that the interwebs never lies. But seriously, 12 million in iPhones, iPads, and iPods from god knows when is probably not every single iOS device in the US. Article is FUD. | |
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LightS
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2012-Sep-4 1:58 pm
Re: FBI Has Explaining to Do? How about AntiSecSorry - I edited my post, I omitted a word by accident.
Although, I agree there's no way that's every apple device. however, I don't like the fact that they have it... | |
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| pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium Member join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD |
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said by FFH5:Let's put the blame where it mostly lies - with another lowlife hacking group. I disagree. It is our duty as citizens to keep the government honest. This incident would never have happened if the FBI had not had this information. I demand to know why a government agency has this information, without my consent, and without any probable cause. And yes, any time it is an incident involving government, I always presume the government guilty until it proves that it is not, because 99% of the time, it is. | |
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2012-Sep-4 2:47 pm
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Wow, there you are again defending the Obama administration. You must really love the guy. | |
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FFH5
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2012-Sep-4 5:08 pm
FBI says AntiSec full of it and they got nothing from an FBI laptop or any other FBI sources: » allthingsd.com/20120904/ ··· numbers/quote: The FBI statement:The FBI is aware of published reports alleging that an FBI laptop was compromised and private data regarding Apple UDIDs was exposed. At this time there is no evidence indicating that an FBI laptop was compromised or that the FBI either sought or obtained this data. So where did that document come from really? The ball is now in AntiSecs court.
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| KearnstdSpace Elf Premium Member join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ |
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Why do people not agree they both have things to explain?
The FBI for losing the information in the first place, And Antisec for pushing it to the public.
But the FBI does deserve a greater volume of shame, First off what have we learned about sensitive data on laptops allowed for personal use?
Also for the love of god, the desktop folder? What if this laptop had a problem and had to be imaged? what if this was not illegal spying data but vital case data? First thing I teach anybody using a computer is never store things to the desktop, if that is not backed up that gets nuked when the OS is restored or the drive is imaged. | |
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SunnyD
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2012-Sep-4 2:03 pm
#1 rule I have when it comes to the Internet...If you're online, you have no privacy. Period.
But basically in this day and age, as soon as you're born, you have no privacy. | |
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axus
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2012-Sep-4 2:36 pm
Re: #1 rule I have when it comes to the Internet...With some small effort (VPN + Tor) and discipline, you can have privacy. Then it takes a large effort to break the privacy, that only government can perform at big cost.
But, what we want is a system where it takes no effort to have privacy . Anonymity should be the rule, with identification only for commerce and attribution. | |
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So what is the FBIdoing with this info? Do they seriously think there are 12 MILLION terrorists in the U.S.?
The FBI and the other federal spooks (CIA/TSA/ICE) don't pay much attention to federal laws or the Constitution - they firmly believe they are above the law and proceed on that.
The FBI is part of the DOJ, which is well staffed and heavily influenced by lawyers from the entertainment industry, so the FBI could be looking for people who steal music or videos via UDIDs. | |
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jpboss
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2012-Sep-4 2:24 pm
Another reason Apple has decremented UDID from iOS.This is another reason Apple has decremented UDID from iOS. Hopefully they will remove it's access from Apps very soon. As others have stated, most likely a popular App dev. slipped them this list of devices' UDID, etc. | |
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axus
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2012-Sep-4 2:45 pm
Re: Another reason Apple has decremented UDID from iOS.Think of the company with the worst record and highest disregard for privacy. | |
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I think you meant "deprecated". | |
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SnakeoilIgnore Button. The coward's feature. Premium Member join:2000-08-05 united state |
Snakeoil
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2012-Sep-4 4:16 pm
Don't companies allow the government free access?I thought companies like Apple, Microsoft gave back door access to the fed. So if the fed wanted to snoop you, they could any time wanted to. I also recall hearing encryption companies and the like also give the fed back door access.
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I'm fine with AntiSec exposing the FBI like this, however...What I don't like is them releasing the PRIVATE Apple data to the public. Why can't they just say that they, themselves have the data. There's no need to show the rest of the world all of that PRIVATE data. | |
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mackey
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2012-Sep-4 11:46 pm
Re: I'm fine with AntiSec exposing the FBI like this, however...said by fonzbear2000:Why can't they just say that they, themselves have the data. There's no need to show the rest of the world all of that PRIVATE data. Because no one would believe them if they didn't post it. Pics or it didn't happen. Heck, even with posting it people were doubting it was real at first. /M | |
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Metatron2008You're it Premium Member join:2008-09-02 united state |
LOL at people applauding antisec...Anonymous does this only when they find targets that have known vurnerabilities. They aren't real hackers, and they aren't your friends. If they could, they'd hack and release on pastebin all of your credit cards, your ss, etc, and then do a PR campaign about how they are 'for the people'. | |
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Training, Training, and more Training, and some more!12,367,232, that is a lot of training!
What was/or what can, the FBI really do with this specfic information? | |
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The problem isthat nobody in antisec is willing to safe guard your info once they collected. I have a feeling we will see those ss and credit card numbers being sold over the net so they can cover their cost. Sad when we have to side with no one. FBI some hate because they are seem as above the law but if you forgot about the patriot act you know they are just doing their job. Antisec well they don't follow any law enforcement or are your friend so I wonder how would they behave now. | |
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