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Council Bluffs, IA | The crippling continues... People complain(ed) when Verizon cripples their phones but there has yet to be a huge uprising against Apple/at&t for this. Though a company like Google could create a huge stink because this seems more like an at&t decision and not an Apple decision. Considering Google/Apple have a mostly love/little hate now relationship (Chrome OS). Flex some muscle Google. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: The crippling continues... ATT has not blocked the Blackberry app.
Looks like Apple is definitely to blame. | |
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| | | | Re: The crippling continues... Because if works, it works and can go in your phone. And BB phones and Windows you can install any good or crappy app that is coded for the phone. Is your choice. With the IPhone is ultimately Apples choice. | |
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Boston, MA | AT&T can't block the BlackBerry one.. it doesn't have exclusivity with RIM like it does with Apple. BlackBerry can tell AT&T to go pound sand and there isn't squat AT&T could do.... whereas AT&T has muscle over Apple.
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| Re: The crippling continues... said by MPScan:AT&T can't block the BlackBerry one.. it doesn't have exclusivity with RIM like it does with Apple. BlackBerry can tell AT&T to go pound sand and there isn't squat AT&T could do.... whereas AT&T has muscle over Apple. Apple and ATT only have exclusivity in the United States. Yet they've revoked all Google Voice apps worldwide.
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| | | | | | Re: The crippling continues... said by tiger72:Apple and ATT only have exclusivity in the United States. Yet they've revoked all Google Voice apps worldwide. I was under the impression that Google Voice is only available in the US, at the moment? | |
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| Re: The crippling continues... said by ohreilly :said by tiger72:Apple and ATT only have exclusivity in the United States. Yet they've revoked all Google Voice apps worldwide. I was under the impression that Google Voice is only available in the US, at the moment? that doesn't mean the app store can't carry the app...
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Glendale, AZ | You can easily unlock your phones that the other carriers provide. I unlocked my Nokia that I bought at T-Mobile. All you need it the USB cable and free software to do it.
Not that easy with the iPhone.
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1 edit | I've come to the conclusion... .. that AT&T knows they are going to lose the iPhone in 2010 to Verizon, and rather than work on keeping the exclusivity, they are working to milk it for every penny they can while they can.
P.S. I'm happy with my iPhone/AT&T service, but I'm not happy when I see Apple (possibly AT&T) telling me what apps I can or cannot use (unless I jailbreak).
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2 edits |  Don't need app to use Google Voice on iPhone
»www.google.com/voice
The app would make it easier and slicker, but it isn't needed. So AT&T can't block the free SMS capabilities of Google Voice.
I have the Palm Pre and I don't need an app(and there isn't one yet anyway) to use the Google Voice functions.
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1 edit | Re: Don't need app to use Google Voice on iPhone said by ThrowDemsOut:Anyone with Google Voice can use all the Google Voice capabilities on the iPhone without the special iPhone app. All you have to do is go to the Google Voice web page with the browser on the iPhone. » www.google.com/voiceThe app would make it easier and slicker, but it isn't needed. So AT&T can't block the free SMS capabilities of Google Voice. I have the Palm Pre and I don't need an app(and there isn't one yet anyway) to use the Google Voice functions. The problem is that it isn't possible to use Push, unless Google figures out some loophole.
Either way, unless Apple does something fast, I'm dropping my AT&T service and the iPhone when my contract is up. I'll go to Sprint if they have an Android phone by then. It'll cost less than what I'm paying right now for Sprint's Simply Everything plan.
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| | And I say again AT&T is the reason I don't get an iPhone. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: And I say again While AT&T sucks a big one, Apple is the reason I don't own an iPhone. | |
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| | | | Re: And I say again Eh, the iphone seems to allow other such programs on other carriers. For example, international users can use tethering and MMS.
I can't stand the cult of mac, but more often than not it looks like AT&T is pushing Apple to remove apps from the store. | |
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| | Doesn't ATT get it? This is just the kind of thing that sets the stage for a battle on capital hill over neutrality and exclusivity. | |
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|  ff1324Everybody Goes HomePremium
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On Four Day | Re: Doesn't ATT get it? Why? When you purchase an iPhone with service through AT&T, you agree to those terms. If you don't like the terms of the contract, don't purchase the product.
You have a choice as to which wireless carrier to use, which phone to purchase. Neutrality covers a broader concept as you don't have a choice which way your data is routed through other systems.
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| | | | Re: Doesn't ATT get it? How many times does it have to be explained before you understand why wireless exclusivity is anti-competitive and a source of scrutiny from the FCC?
Phones and carriers are supposed to be separate to give consumers as much choice as possible. Carriers should compete on network service and price, phone manufacturers should compete on phone quality and price, and consumers should benefit from it all.
Yes, you don't *have* to buy anything. This is also true in China, where the communist government doesn't force a poor rural farmer to buy the latest phone with his life savings. | |
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| | | | | Re: Doesn't ATT get it? said by sonicmerlin:How many times does it have to be explained before you understand why wireless exclusivity is anti-competitive and a source of scrutiny from the FCC? Phones and carriers are supposed to be separate to give consumers as much choice as possible. Carriers should compete on network service and price, phone manufacturers should compete on phone quality and price, and consumers should benefit from it all. Yes, you don't *have* to buy anything. This is also true in China, where the communist government doesn't force a poor rural farmer to buy the latest phone with his life savings. You are trying to reason with a drone? Give it up already. Jeesh, doncha know better by now? That guy would rather march lockstep into Hell than deviate from the "program". | |
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|  GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
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| said by Uncle Paul:This is just the kind of thing that sets the stage for a battle on capital hill over neutrality and exclusivity. Nope, they don't understand. MLB streaming come to mind?
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| | Not Apple's Fault! We all know that Apple is not the one behind this, AT&T wouldn't want this because they would loose wireless revenue. But what they fail to realize is that this could help some with network congestion. | |
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| Re: Not Apple's Fault! Not really. SMS runs on a largely unused control network and takes little/nothing to run. Data services, on the other hand, cost much more to operate. So, not only does GV SMS not generate SMS revenue for ATT, but it also costs them more to send each message. | |
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| Re: Not Apple's Fault! said by squison:Not really. SMS runs on a largely unused control network and takes little/nothing to run. Data services, on the other hand, cost much more to operate. So, not only does GV SMS not generate SMS revenue for ATT, but it also costs them more to send each message. Part of your statement deserves reiteration.
SMS uses largely unused control blocks that are sent to your phone constantly anyway.
Data is a direct data connection that doesn't exist till you initiate it.
One is constant and will always come whether you have a SMS message coming in or not. The other occurs only on demand, but occurs for that demand and is traffic in addition to the SMS. The morons at AT&T dont seem to get that data planse are a direct competitor for SMS and by restricting the apps that can use the data fo what they wish they are opening themselves to possible lawsuits for anti-competitive practices.
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| | | Completely Apple's Fault Last time I checked, AT&T doesn't have the ability to remove things from APPLE'S app store. | |
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| | | | Re: Completely Apple's Fault said by puck0114:Last time I checked, AT&T doesn't have the ability to remove things from APPLE'S app store. Not true actually. Since its on AT&T's network you can bet that there is a clause in the contact Apple and AT&T have that says some types of apps are not allow. And I can safely say a VOIP related app is one of those.
Also one of the rules for being a developer is to not create a data intensive application. And we all know who wanted that. | |
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| Re: Completely Apple's Fault Completely true. No one at AT&T has the ability to remove an app from the app store. Only Apple can do that. If they're doing it to fulfill their contractual obligations (which right now we have zero proof of), it's still Apple who removes the app, not AT&T. If Apple agreed to contractual terms that require them to remove the app, that's their issue for agreeing to them instead of protecting the interests of their customers. | |
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@eastlink.ca | Re: Not Apple's Fault! said by dlewis23:We all know that Apple is not the one behind this, AT&T wouldn't want this because they would loose wireless revenue. But what they fail to realize is that this could help some with network congestion. Apple choose who to partner with - Apple is as much at fault as AT&T.
Apple must have agreed to pulling the app - either a few days ago, or when they (stupidly) agreed to let AT&T to have a say in such matters.
Apple can build design great hardware, but has the business and PR sense of a squirrel... | |
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| | | said by dlewis23:We all know that Apple is not the one behind this, AT&T wouldn't want this because they would loose wireless revenue. But what they fail to realize is that this could help some with network congestion. It's LOSE, dammit, LOSE. | |
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| | The Cash Cow Just Died I noted that ATT is suing Verizon over their claim that Verizon has a better network. My guess is ATT is going to show some very bad numbers for the next 2 or 3 years.
They milked the cow until it was too old and did not keep any of the babies. So much for long range planning. Send in the MBAs! | |
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|  jtudorXm 60's On 6 FreakPremium,MVM
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Morganton, NC | Re: The Cash Cow Just Died said by NO to ESPN :
I noted that ATT is suing Verizon over their claim that Verizon has a better network. Hold that trial in this area, and AT&T will lose majorly. In this area of NC, if you get more than one or two miles from an interstate or other MAJOR highway you get no signal, or if you have a tri mode phone (do they still sell those?) you will get switched over to analog.
Around here AT&T has no leg to stand on with this claim. More Bars.... BAH!
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kudos:12 | Re: The Cash Cow Just Died said by jtudor:said by NO to ESPN :
I noted that ATT is suing Verizon over their claim that Verizon has a better network. Hold that trial in this area, and AT&T will lose majorly. In this area of NC, if you get more than one or two miles from an interstate or other MAJOR highway you get no signal, or if you have a tri mode phone (do they still sell those?) you will get switched over to analog. Around here AT&T has no leg to stand on with this claim. More Bars.... BAH! I recently made a trip from Greensboro to Knoxville on I-40. I lost 3G a few miles to the west of Winston-Salem and didn't get it back until Knoxville. When I had Verizon I had EVDO almost the whole way. Pathetic. | |
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kudos:3 | It's Apple's Store. Blame Apple Why would you even speculate that AT&T has anything to do with this? If Apple removed it from their store, then Apple is responsible for that decision. Whether or not AT&T has any influence in the process is a moot point because the buck stops with the Apple.
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| time to raise h*ll... Time for companies like google, yahoo, and microsoft to stand up to the telecoms and cable companies.
Here is an idea. Have a day or two of silence. I would love to see google, yahoo, microsoft and others block all of its sites and services to all of the isp's that want them to pay more, charge them extra, or want to restrict them.
At&t/comcast don't like youtube or google.com? Let's see them get calls all day about google blocking them with just a page tellling the issue. If millions of people can't access youtube with google telling them the telecoms demands, it would raise the awareness. A little extreme, but who knows. Mary smith or middle america would find out of the issue and might change her provider or make changes to her services. Hurt them where it hurts.
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| | | Re: time to raise h*ll... They did, it's called Google Anderoid. Available right now in your closest friendly t-mobile outlet.
While I sit on the bench with my 2g iphone and eat crap like this one and blocking apps using none-SDK functions until anderoid matures enough and app base grows for me to switch. | |
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| |  ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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| Re: time to raise h*ll... said by Bored Sysadmin :
They did, it's called Google Anderoid. Available right now in your closest friendly t-mobile outlet.
While I sit on the bench with my 2g iphone and eat crap like this one and blocking apps using none-SDK functions until anderoid matures enough and app base grows for me to switch.
Psssst... It's Android, not Anderoid. 
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| | ATT is not the only carrier with the iPhone It is Apple's store and they make the final decision. Even if ATT has a role, the other carriers around the world would have just as much reason/interest to not see this app released... | |
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| | It's a non-compete clause. My two cents: Apple contract with AT&T has a non-compete clause. Google Voice competes with AT&T's products/service on the iPhone, so Apple is contractually not allowed to approve it. | |
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|  PhoenixDown-- Wants FIOSPremium
join:2003-06-08
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kudos:1 | Re: It's a non-compete clause. Good point -- or it could be that Apple gets a % of the whole pie (voice, data and text) and Apple doesn't want to cannibalize the revenue from its revenue sharing agreements.
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| | Makes Me Glad I am not an iPhone Customer It works fine on the Blackberry as well. Google Voice offers people a virtual second line and that functionality is not duplicating anything on the iPhone. I'm giving the number out as my cell phone to clients, but have the piece of mind to know that when I go on vacation in two weeks, I can send those calls to voicemail. Three years ago, I had a client call me at 2am (as the bars were closing) with all the brilliant ideas he accumulated while drinking the night away. Google Voice gives me the luxury to send those calls to voice mail, to block this guy, etc. That is not functionality that ATT or anyone has. I can now now text with clients without giving away my real number.
My wife works for a F500 and has a company provided cell phone. As soon as GVoice has number portability, we are going to port her personal cell phone to GVoice and relay it to her company phone. If she ever leaves the company, she can reestablish service in her old number or simply redirect GVoice to that number. Tell me what iPhone or ATT service this overlaps? Oh, I know, it is the data consumption that these text messages cause. That's the ticket. Must be the data consumption. If 1,000,000 people or GVoice texting at the same time, ATT might loose a meg of valuable data that could be used for something else.
Perhaps Google should release this App as a jailbroken App, it might be the "must have" application that will drive people to jailbreaking their phones. | |
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| Re: Makes Me Glad I am not an iPhone Customer said by stufried:Perhaps Google should release this App as a jailbroken App, it might be the "must have" application that will drive people to jailbreaking their phones. I saw it availble in Cydia this morning. I am downloading it now.
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2 edits | Now this..... This is the one occasion that really pisses me off.
If they don't open it up on the app store, I'm dropping the iPhone as soon as my contract is up.
I don't see how AT&T is involved, though. There is more than one carrier with the iPhone. This just comes across as quite biased towards AT&T given the fact that Apple is the sole controller of the App Store. If Verizon had the iPhone, Apple would have denied the App as well.
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| | Who really cares. I'm getting sick of both ATT and Apple. No one likes to be told what they can and can't do. Rules are made to be challenged and broken. The sooner both ATT and Apple remember this fact, the sooner both companies can get back to making good products and their customers happier. | |
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| Re: Who really cares. said by axiomatic:I'm getting sick of both ATT and Apple. No one likes to be told what they can and can't do. Rules are made to be challenged and broken. The sooner both ATT and Apple remember this fact, the sooner both companies can get back to making good products and their customers happier. You thought AT&T and Apple would be open and free?
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| | | | Re: Who really cares. Not really. I just didn't think it would get so bad so fast.
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kudos:5 | It all comes down to: Whose device is it when I BUY it? Is it mine? If the answer is no, then I'm not interested. | |
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| | All AT&T Apple is being told to remove these application from their App Store at the request of AT&T. This is not Apple screwing their customer, this is AT&T screwing Apple and their customer. The same thing happened with the Slingbox application.
Anyone who thinks this is Apple being evil, or that Apple can tell AT&T to shove it, is being way too naive. This is business, and Apple is playing ball with AT&T. The double standard where all other phones can use these apps at full capacity is AT&T logic.
An AT&T spokesman said this about the last time when Apple had to pull Slingbox:
said by »www.engadget.com/2009/05/12/atan···out-for/ :Slingbox, which would use large amounts of wireless network capacity, could create congestion and potentially prevent other customers from using the network. The application does not run on our 3G wireless network. Applications like this, which redirect a TV signal to a personal computer, are specifically prohibited under our terms of service. AT&T conveniently ignored the fact that any other mobile platform can use these apps. I guess WinMo, Symbian, BlackBerry, etc, are insignificant to bother limiting.
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join:2003-07-05 | Re: All AT&T It's not AT&T.
AT&T is the type of corporation that would have blocked GV from all platforms. It's an Apple issue, because AT&T isn't the only carrier that uses the App Store. | |
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| | | | | Re: All AT&T said by djrobx:With most other phones, AT&T just sells the phone. They haven't bothered to try to block the apps from being installed on other platforms. Users install things directly and AT&T gets no say in it. That's the difference. All AT&T can do in that case is try and prohibit their use in the terms of service, which people typically ignore. In every article that mentions nything about Apple or ATT locking an app, I can't help but laugh.
I have the Tilt from ATT and I can install anything windows based ap that I want, and ATT has no say in it. Since it is also wi-fi enabled that includes Skype or anyother VOIP program that I want.
In fact, it is currently running WinMo 6.5 in a custom ROM that has the best features from several different phones. | |
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| | bad combo AT&T + iPhone = bad combo. plus the whole iphone being such a closed system.
I'm loving my rooted G1, and i can tether for free not for $55. | |
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| Re: bad combo said by no_one :
AT&T + iPhone = bad combo. plus the whole iphone being such a closed system.
I'm loving my rooted G1, and i can tether for free not for $55.
I love mine too. Battery life and internal storage could be better though.
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Ma Bell has been resurrected.
Yes Ma Bell has been resurrected in the form of AT&T New. Remember the character Lily Tomlin created Ernestine the Bell System Service Rep. Didn't she say, we are AT&T not Burger King take it our way or go F&#K yourself. Hopefully the new FCC will give all of the wireless Weasels a procto.
