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Looking forward to the future of things.
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join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
clubs:
| No reason to upgrade There's absolutely NO reason to upgrade from 3.0.
Why should I upgrade and LOOSE functionality?
No more tethering...
Issues with connecting to Exchange servers (3G only)...
Jailbreak would be undone.
I'm glad i'm not forced into the update. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: No reason to upgrade iTunes or OSX will force you to upgrade sooner or later. | |
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cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
clubs: | Re: No reason to upgrade I'm using Windows 7. So far ITunes claims the upgrade is optional. As long as it remains Optional, I'd be really stupid to upgrade. | |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
| said by patcat88  :iTunes or OSX will force you to upgrade sooner or later. No it won't. The only time your ever forced to upgrade is if there is an application that takes advantage of a newer framework or such.
You are never forced to upgrade on either platform, its always optional and you can even choose it to never remind you about updates.
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r81984
Thread is
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St John'S, NL | Most people dont have OS X and why would you use Itunes? | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Re: No reason to upgrade That's the only way to sync an iPhone.
Until this blows over I'm sticking with 2.2.x on my iPhone first-gen, unlocked, on T-Mobile  | |
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cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
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join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
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| Re: No reason to upgrade said by en102 :said by cypherstream :Why should I upgrade and LOOSE functionality? Because its so LOOSE that you'll LOSE it  Awe you caught me! Typing fast with a bit of anger causes me to write words that spell check can't even pick up!
I have a 3G, hence it would most likely break my Exchange sync...
»[iPhone] 3.1 breaks Exchange Sync for pre-3GS phones
No reason for me to upgrade! | |
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| avihappy
join:2009-06-13 | If you have an iPhone 3GS, you are. Apple is no longer signing 3.0, so if you ever have to restore, you can only restore to 3.1. This doesn't apply to the iPhone or iPhone 3G | |
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bender
Bite my shiny metal ass
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join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL
clubs: | all the... more reason not to get an iPhone in the first place.
nothing about this phone would make me think its myPhone | |
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jfmezei
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Beaconsfield, QC
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| Re: all the... I don't understand something. If I can have thethering on a different GSM phone or with some USB stick, why would they specifcially say that they can't handle it for Iphone ?
What is the real policical reason for not enabling thethering ?
And yes, until Apple makes available unlocked Iphones that are not controlled in any way by a carrier, I won't buy an Iphone excatly to get away from those gimmicks. | |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
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join:2001-10-05
united state
| Re: all the... said by jfmezei :What is the real policical reason for not enabling thethering ? Because currently iPhone users are using more bandwidth than any other smartphone due to how easy the web browsing is and the fact that its pretty much a full fledged browser.
They are already suffering capacity wise due to this and are afraid of what will happen when people start tethering it to their laptops as well, and I must say tethering on the iPhone is easier than a lot of other phones i've used, in fact once I forgot to turn it off and when I connected my iPod to my cradle at work it automatically tethered to the PC and it took me a minute to realize why my web browsing suddenly became sluggish.
ATT simply does not have the capacity to handle it.
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no_one
@rr.com
| Re: all the... according to JD powers survey Tmobile currently has more data transfered over there network this year. and the whole Att not ready for tethering becuase of data overload is bull, its the same data on your phone you will just be surfing from your macbooks or whatever.
just jail break and be done with it, free tethering.
by the way tmobile looks the other way to its users rooting there android phones. there cool like that. | |
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join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
| said by jfmezei :I don't understand something. If I can have thethering on a different GSM phone or with some USB stick, why would they specifcially say that they can't handle it for Iphone ? What is the real policical reason for not enabling thethering ? And yes, until Apple makes available unlocked Iphones that are not controlled in any way by a carrier, I won't buy an Iphone excatly to get away from those gimmicks. The real reason for not allowing tethering is not because the iPhone uses "more" bandwidth than other smartphones, but it is seemingly to be an issue of capacity. Think about this, AT&T open's the flood gates on tethering (5GB of data), and everyone bites. That is 5 * the number of iPhone users. Some people oversell, but that would be insane. There is some guy in the back who crunches these numbers for a living...
What is the probability of an iPhone user signing up for tethering, and out of this percentage will our network be able the load? What is the percentage of those tethering users be hitting the same tower at the same time? What is the probability of a "simple" user plugging it in and not thinking about what they are doing and downloading gigs of data?
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join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI
| Not saying it's right, but that isn't any different from the dozens of other phones from other providers.
None of the providers want to provide you with telephone and data service. They want you to buy ring tones, wall paper, answer tones and everything else from *them* and only *them*. And to do it, they'll take away the selling points of the phone and lock it down as much as possible. | |
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bender
Bite my shiny metal ass
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join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL
clubs: | Re: all the... my g1 is a phone and it has data service. it is not against the terms to tether it either. | |
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join:2007-09-07
West Palm Beach, FL | Re: all the... Its not against the TOS to teather the G1, but you can not have the App unless you Root your phone, which is not against TOS, but will Void your warranty. | |
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bender
Bite my shiny metal ass
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Evanston, IL
clubs: | Re: all the... the warranty is with the manufacturer not the carrier. actually you can tether your phone without rooting it. there are applications that let you do it with usb without root. | |
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join:2002-04-19
Miami, FL
| both T-mobile G1 and myTouch can be tethered easily and works with no problems. All you have to do is enable "usb debugging mode" from the settings and install pdanet.
»www.junefabrics.com/android/index.php | |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| said by BigJames523 :Its not against the TOS to teather the G1, but you can not have the App unless you Root your phone, which is not against TOS, but will Void your warranty. Unlike other phones, TMo and Google don't control what you can put on your phone nor do they require you to root, jailbreak, or any other type of nefarious sounding actions to install whatever app you want. | |
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ptrowski
Got Helix?
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join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
clubs: | I can tether with my iPhone. Realize that the tethering was enabled through a carrier update and iTunes had to be modified to be able to upgrade that carrier file. | |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
| Re: all the... said by ptrowski :I can tether with my iPhone. Realize that the tethering was enabled through a carrier update and iTunes had to be modified to be able to upgrade that carrier file. You could have just done it online with a specialized HTML request as the iphone even on 3.1 will accept carrier updates both OTA and OTW
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ff1324
Everybody Goes Home
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On Four Day
| said by Qumahlin :said by ptrowski :I can tether with my iPhone. Realize that the tethering was enabled through a carrier update and iTunes had to be modified to be able to upgrade that carrier file. You could have just done it online with a specialized HTML request as the iphone even on 3.1 will accept carrier updates both OTA and OTW Have you tried it under 3.1? I haven't upgraded simply because I don't want to lose my ability to tether.
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Got Helix?
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clubs: | Re: all the... Nope. I am waiting for 3.1 to be jailbroken... | |
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
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| Why go to 3.1? Then why upgrade to 3.1?
This is stupid. There is no legitimate reason that Apple or anyone else can give for disabling tethering.
I will stick with my jailbroken 3.0 until I'm forced to upgrade. At that point, I just might say good bye to AT&T and get myself a Palm Pre or an Android-based phone. At least it doesn't look like people are shackled by their phone manufacturer and wireless provider on those platforms at the moment.
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Never Enough Time
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| Re: Why go to 3.1? said by NOVA_Guy :Then why upgrade to 3.1? This is stupid. There is no legitimate reason that Apple or anyone else can give for disabling tethering. I will stick with my jailbroken 3.0 until I'm forced to upgrade. At that point, I just might say good bye to AT&T and get myself a Palm Pre or an Android-based phone. At least it doesn't look like people are shackled by their phone manufacturer and wireless provider on those platforms at the moment. No, with the Palm Pre you have a great phone shackled by the fact that it contains a discrete GPU, yet Palm is not utilizing said GPU and does not yet have a true driver for it meaning Palm Pre developers are shit out of luck when it comes to creating any truly graphically nice apps at the moment.
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join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
| Re: Why go to 3.1? said by Qumahlin :said by NOVA_Guy :Then why upgrade to 3.1? This is stupid. There is no legitimate reason that Apple or anyone else can give for disabling tethering. I will stick with my jailbroken 3.0 until I'm forced to upgrade. At that point, I just might say good bye to AT&T and get myself a Palm Pre or an Android-based phone. At least it doesn't look like people are shackled by their phone manufacturer and wireless provider on those platforms at the moment. No, with the Palm Pre you have a great phone shackled by the fact that it contains a discrete GPU, yet Palm is not utilizing said GPU and does not yet have a true driver for it meaning Palm Pre developers are shit out of luck when it comes to creating any truly graphically nice apps at the moment. Really now?
Let me give you a history lesson. Back in 1992 John Carmack released a very conterversial game called Wolfenstien 3D. Wolfenstien did not use any graphics library like OpenGL or DirectX (if it was even out by then). Since John programmed this in DOS, all he had was 16 bit registers! But, still without the help of any graphics library, and using a lot of mathematics (Ray-casting) John was able to create a 3D FPS game with no reliance on a GPU.
Now, I don't know about development on the Pre...developers could be locked into this Java VM like the Android is...but if you can program in C++ and Assembly on any device I am confidant you could create some kick ass games. | |
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join:2005-09-01
| Re: Why go to 3.1? Wouldn't matter, even if you had a 'true graphics card driver', as the only platform accepted is Web Apps, which lack any real access to the system.
Only select vendors get higher access to the system.
Can you make a 3d FPS that renders in real-time... in HTML? | |
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join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
| Re: Why go to 3.1? said by Necronomikro :Wouldn't matter, even if you had a 'true graphics card driver', as the only platform accepted is Web Apps, which lack any real access to the system. Only select vendors get higher access to the system. Can you make a 3d FPS that renders in real-time... in HTML? To answer your question, yes.
»wiioperasdk.com/wall.html
It's not a "Shooter", but it does show First Person 3D view in JS which is pretty freaking impressive, using the same concept that John Carmack used.
Now, wither or not that will work on a mobile platform is a mute point because it does work in Firefox, which as far as I know conforms to standards (anyone want to show me wrong) so if it doesn't work on a mobile platform then the browser's JS engine does not conform to standards and shouldn't be used OR it should be fixed. Which to add insult to injury, it works in Chrome which uses the same framework that the Palm Pre browser uses (webkit). And it works great in Chrome, so if it doesn't work in the Palm Pre browser then it would show that they removed certain functionality.
Please view wikipedia article »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raycasting as it seems you didn't.
I peeked at the wiki page for Pre, it seems that they will only allow "exclusive" people to make applications for the Pre, which has solidified my decision of not ever getting a Palm product. Didn't some guys figure out how to make their own applications and upload them without the blessing of Palm and Palm didn't really care?
It seems so:
»forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/
And it actually doesn't look hard to put homebrew apps on the Pre...and doesn't even like you have the void the warranty by doing it (like a certain other device):
»www.precentral.net/how-to-instal···rew-apps
Yet another reason to stick with Windows Mobile platform. You pretty much have full unrestricted access to the hardware (not FULL but you know what I mean, you can natively use C++ to access GPS hardware for example). I think we can all say that any application created in native C++ can out run any program that runs in a VM environment (I'm looking at you android using Java).
The iPhone, afaik, allows for C++ and ASM development, which is defienatly cool and most certainly a platform that I would develop for - but I can't get behind Apple's philosophy of not allowing me to install 3rd party applications. My issue is that I can sell the application cheaper on my own than Apple taking a cut. | |
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join:2005-09-01 | Re: Why go to 3.1? Well, there is an issue. Namely CPU usage... firefox is pegging out one of my cores running that. I can only imagine the stress it would put on a mobile phone. | |
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join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
| Re: Why go to 3.1? said by Necronomikro :Well, there is an issue. Namely CPU usage... firefox is pegging out one of my cores running that. I can only imagine the stress it would put on a mobile phone. Wait, is the browser on the Pre based off of Firefox or Chrome/webkit? | |
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join:2005-09-01
1 edit | Re: Why go to 3.1? said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :said by Necronomikro :Well, there is an issue. Namely CPU usage... firefox is pegging out one of my cores running that. I can only imagine the stress it would put on a mobile phone. Wait, is the browser on the Pre based off of Firefox or Chrome/webkit? Is it magically going to take less resources on a phone? Javascript is javascript. While some optimization can be done, it doesn't change the fact that xhtml/css/javascript isn't made for games, and such a game would consume an abnormally large amount of resources.
According to this guy, it is webkit:
»www.ferretarmy.com/2009/05/29/pa···itwebos/ | |
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join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
| Re: Why go to 3.1? said by Necronomikro :said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :said by Necronomikro :Well, there is an issue. Namely CPU usage... firefox is pegging out one of my cores running that. I can only imagine the stress it would put on a mobile phone. Wait, is the browser on the Pre based off of Firefox or Chrome/webkit? Is it magically going to take less resources on a phone? Javascript is javascript. While some optimization can be done, it doesn't change the fact that xhtml/css/javascript isn't made for games, and such a game would consume an abnormally large amount of resources. According to this guy, it is webkit: » www.ferretarmy.com/2009/05/29/pa···itwebos/ The most I get in Chrome is 40% CPU usage. Now, the debate at hand is if V8 JS engine made it into the Pre browser, if it did - then party on...else it should still work albeit a little slower.
But I still think you are missing the simple fact that a guy was able to make, essentially, a 3D engine in pure Javascript. Setting aside the fact that it's slow, it still is an excellent feat and I would recommend him for some sort of award. If you don't think that is amazing, then lets see you accomplish what he did. | |
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join:2005-09-01 | Re: Why go to 3.1? Oh, I agree that it is an amazing feat of web engineering.
My whole point was that such things would run much faster as a native application, rather than having to run through a browser engine. | |
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join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
| Re: Why go to 3.1? said by Necronomikro :Oh, I agree that it is an amazing feat of web engineering. My whole point was that such things would run much faster as a native application, rather than having to run through a browser engine. I completely agree. I mean there are a TON of graphic libraries. But, you have to use what you have available to you. And I cited the raycasting in Javascript as an example of some of the amazing things you could even do with a web browser. I'm not saying it's the best thing to use, but at least it IS possible to do 3D in a webpage WITHOUT the use of addons such as flash. | |
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gworkman7
join:2005-10-18
Vail, AZ
·PHONE POWER
·magicjack.com
·Qwest.net
·Broadvox Direct
| Sign of the times It is unfortunate that the US is crippled with Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, and T-Mobile. It is ridiculous that, on top of the $200+ I spend for cellular service, that AT&T would have me use a USB device for my laptop and charge me another $60.00 for their, less than stellar, 5GB limited, 3G service.
To say "shop around" is ludacris. Since all four of the major players copy rate sheets from each other, there is no major difference. | |
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Paul928
join:2000-05-06
Haverhill, MA
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| Typical Apple Wanting To Control You First of all, I am an Mac user.......And this is SOOOO Typical of Apple wanting to control you, and slapping your hand like a little kid and telling you "No No, you can't do that!" It's a shame, because Apple makes great products, but all this control is really starting to make me re-think my opinion of them! | |
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Everybody Goes Home
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join:2002-08-24
On Four Day
| Re: Typical Apple Wanting To Control You said by Paul928 :First of all, I am an Mac user.......And this is SOOOO Typical of Apple wanting to control you, and slapping your hand like a little kid and telling you "No No, you can't do that!" It's a shame, because Apple makes great products, but all this control is really starting to make me re-think my opinion of them! Ironic how a company that started with a couple of guys tinkering in a garage is so careful to close up the loopholes that people tinker with....
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FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA | No difference? I don't see any changes.
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@mycingular.net | I'm still tethering... I'm still tethering...
In fact, I'm tethering to post this...
On AT&T of all things...
16GB 3G  | |
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FastiBook
join:2003-01-08
Newtown, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Spotted some changes... Still no MMS, but there are a few things...
Firstly, the typing click is harder to hear, no way to turn it up or down.
Ability to copy numbers from address book using the "point & wait" copy mechanism. And the touted copy to keypad is very neat.
Signal issues, though i contribute this to upgrade work being done between 9am and 1pm. 3 bars in previously 5 bar spots etc.
Faster boot time. I have a 8 gig 3G, it now boots up a few seconds faster than with plain old 3.0
Predictive text seems more out to help you get stuff typed fast vs just spell check. Before it would suggest words most of the way typed, now it's offering me long words only a few letters in. I like it.
So far no issues. The signal situation is not iPhone related, simply att network maintenance at the worst possible time of the day.
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Apple Cripples Unofficial iPhone Tethering
