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Mount Airy, MD | They're Right Apple's iPhone sales are through the roof. Clearly the users of the device don't care enough about any issues with AT&T's 3G coverage to switch to a different phone.
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i have some rocky coverage... but i'm not ditching my AT&T service
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| Re: They're Right said by optemino:nope nope ^_^ i have some rocky coverage... but i'm not ditching my AT&T service ... unless T-Mobile starts carrying the iphone w/ 3g coverage @ home I wouldn't ditch my T-Mobile service for AT&T!
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|  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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kudos:12 | said by pnh102:Apple's iPhone sales are through the roof. Clearly the users of the device don't care enough about any issues with AT&T's 3G coverage to switch to a different phone. There is a large contingent of people who really, honestly, love their iPhone so much they don't care about the issues. A good friend of mine who isn't technical said something the other day which I still fail to realize often, Edge works well enough for her. I explained all the failings I experienced with the AT&T 3G network and she simply didn't understand, because Edge is "fast enough for the stuff I do, simple web browsing and email."
I think that was a good observation, most non-technical people don't know what 3G or Edge is. They just know that "the webpage displays," "the webpage doesn't display," or "the webpage is displaying slowly today."
I think a lot of us technical folks fail to see that point of view often, I know I am guilty of it. | |
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kudos:4 | Re: They're Right said by Matt:I think that was a good observation, most non-technical people don't know what 3G or Edge is. They just know that "the webpage displays," "the webpage doesn't display," or "the webpage is displaying slowly today." I think a lot of us technical folks fail to see that point of view often, I know I am guilty of it. The only part most iPhone users care about(and I have several relatives with iPhones) is the "the webpage doesn't display" problem and any dropped voice calls. As long as voice works and they can access the web and facebook, they are happy and all the other stuff matters little.
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| | |  en102Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | Re: They're Right I tend to agree.
The iPhone as a 'phone' is not the greatest, IMHO. Skype calls are better on the iPhone than 3G voice calls are. Going from an HTC Tilt to iPhone is a step backwards in call quality (no dropped calls... just garble/breaks).
HTC Tilt is a relative slug for other uses in comparison though.
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| | | | said by Matt:said by pnh102:Apple's iPhone sales are through the roof. Clearly the users of the device don't care enough about any issues with AT&T's 3G coverage to switch to a different phone. There is a large contingent of people who really, honestly, love their iPhone so much they don't care about the issues. A good friend of mine who isn't technical said something the other day which I still fail to realize often, Edge works well enough for her. I explained all the failings I experienced with the AT&T 3G network and she simply didn't understand, because Edge is "fast enough for the stuff I do, simple web browsing and email." I think that was a good observation, most non-technical people don't know what 3G or Edge is. They just know that "the webpage displays," "the webpage doesn't display," or "the webpage is displaying slowly today." I think a lot of us technical folks fail to see that point of view often, I know I am guilty of it. If this was true then AT&T wouldn`t be having trouble with iPhone users congesting their network.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: They're Right said by sonicmerlin:If this was true then AT&T wouldn`t be having trouble with iPhone users congesting their network. There. Your theory bebunked. You clearly do not know difference in business between "top of the line" and "good enough."
AT&T's network is clearly "good enough." And yes, that is true even though the network indeed sucks and that if its network is to be "top of the line" then AT&T would need to make some serious capital investments.
Are iPhone users leaving in droves because of the crappy network? And consider that quite a few were willing to pay a hefty ETF to get an iPhone, are these people bolting in droves to another carrier or to a different phone to escape these problems? Nope.
Are people not getting iPhones because of AT&T's network problems? Nope, we just saw that Apple broke a new record with iPhone sales. Apple and AT&T did this even in the face of stiff competition from phones like the Droid and the Nexus One, and that is on top of the Droid's best billed feature being a "top of the line" network.
Until AT&T's iPhone sales tank or until the company suffers financially, there is no way anyone can make the argument that AT&T's network, while crappy, is not "good enough." iPhone users seem willing to put up with a lot of deficiencies in AT&T's network just to have an iPhone. Until that changes, AT&T will have no incentive to improve its service.
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| | | said by pnh102:Apple's iPhone sales are through the roof. Clearly the users of the device don't care enough about any issues with AT&T's 3G coverage to switch to a different phone. Right, because there aren`t several other factors besides quality of service that pushes them into choosing AT&T? | |
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| | | Re: at&t sucks Now you know why Verizon didn't bow down to Apple in the first place. | |
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| | | Re: Apple Fanbois continue to grow Apple's 40B cash stockpile if your calling everyone with an iphone a fanboi then damn there is alot of them. I don't own a mac computer, never have, may never own one. I have used them and i enjoy the easy of use. But stereotyping everyone with an iphone as a fan boy is wrong, i use windows and linux and i have an iphone because when i got it, it was the best phone available, offering what i needed. Now the only other phone i may choose is a droid, and even then i think i may stay with the iphone because i like the way it looks, and im use to how it works. | |
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Warrington, PA | Re: Apple Fanbois continue to grow Apple's 40B cash stockpile I'm a fanboi of technology. Me and the wife have iphones, she has a macbook and i have a Win7 lappy. Technology, from whatever source - as long as it makes me happy! | |
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| |  SSidlovOther Things On My MindPremium
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1 edit | said by lqrisquicker:if your calling everyone with an iphone a fanboi then damn there is alot of them. ... i have an iphone because when i got it, it was the best phone available, offering what i needed. Now the only other phone i may choose is a droid, and even then i think i may stay with the iphone because i like the way it looks, and im use to how it works. Not at all, just those who will blindly buy new units just because it's not ATT. The iPhone while subsidized (you didn't pay full price directly) is now a larger part of Apple's revenues than ever, outselling Macs. And I for one have been reading for years about how terrible ATT's network is and the poor iPhone users with their dropped calls due to the unit's hardware choices. SO, as an ATT customer, who has 1.5mb network service with a tethered SE phone, and can't recall the last dropped call, I say great, leave. I'll just buy the apple stock. | |
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| | | | | Re: Apple Fanbois continue to grow Apple's 40B cash stockpile I agree apple did make some bad choices with the hardware installed in the iphone. I would bet that many of the issues people have with droppede calls and crummy data service on the iphone come from the quality of the hardware inside. I mean are there people who dont have iphones complaining about dropped calls? Not as much as just iphone users, heck we even have an app for reporting where we experince dropped called, yes the saying theres an app for that stands true across the board. However, I did buy my phone directly from apple, so that If i decided to use it on say tmobile, i can but i wont have 3G access on that network as the hardware in the phone wont do it. I still love my iphone and unless the droid or nexus can prove to me that its worth it for me to learn a whole new phone Os ill prolly be an iphone user for along time. Granted if Verizon get the iphone ill be going there as there service coverage is alot better up here in the adirondacks. | |
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| | | said by SSidlov:So your battery probably needs replacing anyway about now, why not buy a new phone and new plan from Verizon come June! Cause the NOTwork is overrated and many are quite happy with AT&T. | |
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| | | | Re: Apple Fanbois continue to grow Apple's 40B cash stockpile Well that didn't sound fanboyish at all. What with all the hard facts oozing from this intelligent post.  | |
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1 edit | Maybe this was Apple's plan all along. iPhone users seem to line up for miles around Apple stores when an upgrade comes along. Now iPhone users will be lining up for miles again, but not for any upgrade, but for users who want a Verizon Apple phone when it comes out. Apple iPhone sales will soar again, but for no improvement they did to the phone. But is this all worth it for an iPhone users? I don't think so. I just wonder when I hear all these people complaining about AT&T for years. If it's so awful, why haven't they dropped them already? I think people just like to complain. | |
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| | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Apple Fanbois continue to grow Apple's 40B cash stockpile But of course...
Apple wants 'sales', yet control supply and demand (to keep the device somewhat exclusive).
Personally, I'd complain (and cancel) if my service didn't work either. Of course, I'd probably take my device, unlock it and go to T-Mobile.
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| | | | said by burgerwars:Maybe this was Apple's plan all along. iPhone users seem to line up for miles around Apple stores when an upgrade comes along. Now iPhone users will be lining up for miles again, but not for any upgrade, but for users who want a Verizon Apple phone when it comes out. Apple iPhone sales will soar again, but for no improvement they did to the phone. But is this all worth it for an iPhone users? I don't think so. I just wonder when I hear all these people complaining about AT&T for years. If it's so awful, why haven't they dropped them already? I think people just like to complain. Right. Their decision to drop them is completely unrelated to the fact that they`re on a contract, and that they can`t use the iPhone on any other network. Or that carriers like Sprint and T-Mobile probably don`t even have 3G coverage in their area. | |
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| cacoPremium
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Whittier, AK | This is more like an Apple Fanboy.
»www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/25/appl···dex.html
Greenbaum met his husband at an Apple fan group in the mid-90s. When they started dating, the couple hung out in Mac computer labs together as a form of courtship.
"Most other couples would go to movies. We mark a key point of our relationship when we both decided to go to Macworld [a conference in California] together in 1995," he said.
The couple now travels to Apple stores across the country, taking photos in front of each one as if the computer stores were national monuments. They always check out new Apple products, although sometimes they wait for a second model to come out before they buy. When the iPhone 3GS debuted, they waited in line at a nearby Apple store from 1 a.m. to 10 a.m. to buy the phone.
"It's a part of your identity," he said. "People are going to recognize you more by the computer you use and the phone you carry than by the car you drive."
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| |  GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium
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| Re: Apple Fanbois continue to grow Apple's 40B cash stockpile said by caco:This is more like an Apple Fanboy. » www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/25/appl···dex.htmlGreenbaum met his husband at an Apple fan group in the mid-90s. When they started dating, the couple hung out in Mac computer labs together as a form of courtship. "Most other couples would go to movies. We mark a key point of our relationship when we both decided to go to Macworld [a conference in California] together in 1995," he said. The couple now travels to Apple stores across the country, taking photos in front of each one as if the computer stores were national monuments. They always check out new Apple products, although sometimes they wait for a second model to come out before they buy. When the iPhone 3GS debuted, they waited in line at a nearby Apple store from 1 a.m. to 10 a.m. to buy the phone. "It's a part of your identity," he said. "People are going to recognize you more by the computer you use and the phone you carry than by the car you drive." THAT is a fanboi.
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| | | | | Re: Apple Fanbois continue to grow Apple's 40B cash stockpile There's alot more like that in the Cult of Apple. I do like to go to Apple stores but I sometimes feel like a normal person at a heroin induced rave.... | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | said by SSidlov:Apple Fanbois continue to grow Apple's 40B cash stockpile ... well, then apparently apple is doing something right for their "fan" base huh? .. So what's the problem? | |
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Smyrna, GA | It's not all rosy to me.... I'm lucky to make/receive calls in or around the Atlanta airport. Repeatedly dropping calls at my office in Miami. I get a weak signal at my home but at least it doesn't drop calls there.
Most of the places I frequent I experience difficulty connecting a call or getting usable data service. | |
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| | | Re: It's not all rosy to me.... i have an iphone, and im in upstate new york. Everyone i know has an iphone, at least 30 people out of 100. So if you use that method a large percent of the population have iphones and yet i dont have that many issues with my phone service wise that is. Now where i get 3G and reception period is a different story. However i still cant complain as all the providers have issues in this area. what w9ould you guys say the speed of 3g should be | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: ATT Network 3G Speed And that's in Visalia ? Cool. | |
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New Orleans, LA | I have had an iPhone since Day 1 of the original and I will continue using it.
I love the apps, ease of it, mp3 player, etc....it truly is something I use minutely
With that said, the phone reception up until recently was not just a joke but darn near criminal. Dropped calls 50% of the time is being generous, little to no bars in thin walls, and just piss poor reception anywhere......I changed phones thinking it was the phone....I moved to several different major cities due to work....very little change
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| Re: To throw another log on the fire.... said by FastiBook:I have had issues where i had issues with my old phone (V3 which was not 3G). Over the last 4 months i've seen these trouble areas shrink or go away, and internet speeds over the last 3 weeks has gone from ~1.30 mbits to 2.5 mbits down & .35 mbits up when it used to max at .33 mbits. I am a satisfied customer as far as coverage, i just wish texting wasn't 30 freaking dollars for something that costs the carriers nothing. - A Probably has something to do with all those iFail phones showing up on ebay, a lot of people are jumping ship from AT&T now. | |
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Spring Valley, CA | Uh... There is a problem here for Apple... AT&T is GSM, Verizon is CDMA. If people drop their iPhone from Apple, they won't be able to set it up on Verizon and they will have to buy a new CDMA capable iPhone and that certainly won't be cheap. Expect to see a lot of 3GS's going on sale. Plenty of iPhone users I know would go to Verizon in a minute, but what I don't think a lot of iPhone users know is the real differences from GSM/CDMA. | |
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| | | Re: Uh... There is a problem here for Apple... AT&T 3G is CDMA as well, not the same CDMA but a version of CDMA nonetheless.
And I'll never go back to the NOTWork. Have a work Verizon phone that sits in the basement because the coverage is not that good. | |
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| Issue is the phone? Maybe bad antenna? Who knows? But I heard this before.
I use AT&T and their 3G network. Just about everywhere I go I get 4-5 bars. 3G (HSDPA)speeds are excellent (downloaded a large file the other day and speed was 400-500kB/sec) and I can't recall anywhere in S. Florida I have been in the past year were I didn't get 3G coverage.
Oh yes and I never have owned an iPhone. I might have used one total 10 minutes in my life.
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I've been with Verizon and the new Droid phones. They are GREAT and not one dropped call.
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