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Apple Hits Users With Behavioral Ads
Changes privacy policy, offers new opt-out option
by Karl Bode Tuesday 22-Jun-2010 tags: business · privacy · wireless
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Back in May we noted how there's a lot of money to be made by carriers in selling your personal location data -- and they're only just starting to figure out how to cash in on it. Meanwhile the LA Times notes that with the launch of "iAd" and the new iOS 4, Apple has updated its 45 page privacy policy to allow the company to collect the "precise," "real-time geographic location" of its users' iPhones, iPads and computers for the incredibly vague purpose of "improving our services, content, and advertising." The specific paragraph that caught LA Times' eye, if you're interested:

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To provide location-based services on Apple products, Apple and our partners and licensees may collect, use, and share precise location data, including the real-time geographic location of your Apple computer or device. This location data is collected anonymously in a form that does not personally identify you and is used by Apple and our partners and licensees to provide and improve location-based products and services. For example, we may share geographic location with application providers when you opt in to their location services.

Note that Google Android's agreement has a similar statement, and this data is sold and used in part for behavioral advertising -- a sector that's largely unregulated in terms of protecting consumer privacy. You'll recall that efforts by ISPs to impose behavioral ads resulted in a privacy firestorm that effectively put several such ad firms out of business -- in large part because users weren't adequately informed they were being tracked, and opt-out mechanisms either didn't exist or didn't work. In Apple's case, their privacy policy explains how users can opt out further down the page:

Apple and its partners use cookies and other technologies in mobile advertising services to control the number of times you see a given ad, deliver ads that relate to your interests, and measure the effectiveness of ad campaigns. If you do not want to receive ads with this level of relevance on your mobile device, you can opt out by accessing the following link on your device: »oo.apple.com. If you opt out, you will continue to receive the same number of mobile ads, but they may be less relevant because they will not be based on your interests.

While Apple saves its users the now-standard sales pitch about how such ads "improve your Internet experience," several of our users running iOS 4 say that the opt out process currently isn't working for them.

Of course Apple and others claim this data is anonymous, though it's obviously easy to tie data to an individual (people usually sleep in the same location each night after all). While there are legitimate concerns here about transparency and user data security and justified questions about the need for consumer privacy protections, this latest outrage over behavioral ads still rests on the mythical foundation that Internet users have any privacy in the first place.

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SLD
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Do you really need it?!?

Who really needs these stupid smart phones anyway?

Robotics
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Re: Do you really need it?!?

I'm starting to think the same thing...

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Technically, there are hundreds of things I don't need that I use. A car. A phone (of any kind). A laptop. A Desktop. An Xbox. A TV. Potato Chips. A gym membership. Books. A comforter for my bed. A Bed. A Couch....

There are lots of things that I don't need. But some things make my life a lot easier, and a smartphone is one of them.
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said by SLD:

Who really needs these stupid smart phones anyway?
Need? No. Want? Yes.

They often can replace carrying laptops for road warriors that just want to stay in touch thru emails; look up travel info; and read small documents.

They also combine portable music; phone; camera; messaging device; PDA; Web browser; all in to one handy device.
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Re: Do you really need it?!?

And they also combine all of your personal information into a nice tidy package that large multi-national corporations and the gov't can use against you. Weee!

I had a client who wanted to buy me an iPad so I could have access to his servers *anywhere* if there was a redundant failure. I told him no thanks - I'm not going to be leashed to some device or a job. I'll check e-mail when I sit down at my desk. Once I'm out of the office, my time is my time.

I don't understand this urge to be reachable 24/7 that so many have.

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Re: Do you really need it?!?

said by SLD:

And they also combine all of your personal information into a nice tidy package that large multi-national corporations and the gov't can use against you. Weee!

I had a client who wanted to buy me an iPad so I could have access to his servers *anywhere* if there was a redundant failure. I told him no thanks - I'm not going to be leashed to some device or a job. I'll check e-mail when I sit down at my desk. Once I'm out of the office, my time is my time.

I don't understand this urge to be reachable 24/7 that so many have.
You do realize just because you have a device doesn't mean you actually have to take a call or read an email? Just because you are reachable doesn't mean you have to be.

SLD
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Re: Do you really need it?!?

My point is the feeling of necessity to have the device at all, considering all of the negative issues that come with it.

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Re: Do you really need it?!?

said by SLD:

My point is the feeling of necessity to have the device at all, considering all of the negative issues that come with it.
You only see the negatives of being tethered to work. I'm looking mostly at the positives. In fact, the negatives of being always reachable are quite manageable. For example, I choose to ignore most incoming calls and check voicemails. Hell, my ringer is off 90% of the time. I occasionally check my emails. I actually spend much more time listening to podcasts, streaming music, chatting on gtalk, watching youtube, using the built-in GPS for navigation and for finding businesses, pricing, reviews, etc.. around me.

To me, there are far more positives to a smartphone than negatives - especially since the negatives can be mitigated.
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Re: Do you really need it?!?

You'll never mitigate the *real* negatives of selling your privacy for a bit of convenience.

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Re: Do you really need it?!?

said by SLD:

You'll never mitigate the *real* negatives of selling your privacy for a bit of convenience.
What privacy?
My Gmail privacy?
My Google Maps searches?
My Google Checkout purchases?
Picasa to share my photos?

I used every one of those services before my G1. Nothing's changed there.
The ONLY difference between my existing desktop privacy "loss" and my mobile privacy is that I opted-in for "anonymous" location tracking.
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Re: Do you really need it?!?

Oh, well, if you've been selling yourself out since the beginning, why stop now?

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said by SLD:

Oh, well, if you've been selling yourself out since the beginning, why stop now?
I've just acknowledged that there are certain things I care about, and other things that I don't. When I care about privacy, I'll use proxies and anonymizers. The rest of the time, I just don't care. And there's nothing on my phone that I feel is "private".
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said by SLD:

You'll never mitigate the *real* negatives of selling your privacy for a bit of convenience.
This is 2010. This is going to happen. Get over it.
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Re: Do you really need it?!?

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

I don't care what year it is. Franklin had it right 250 years ago.

Your lot is being herded into a whole world of shit, and you'll have no one to blame for it but yourselves. Unfortunately, your complacency is costing the rest of us who know better as well.

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Re: Do you really need it?!?

Youre the one who's a Comcast customer. You think they're not selling every little bit of info about you that they can find?
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Re: Do you really need it?!?

Not to mention, being active in a public public forum isn't a threat to your privacy?

Only way to get away from "the man" is to hide under a rock these days. How I see it, I'm not doing anything wrong. What do I have to hide? If I get accused of doing something wrong, I have an alibi to prove that I wasn't doing something wrong.

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My full feature phone does the same thing for a lot less...

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Not me. I still don't own a cellphone and PDA, and don't plan to. I also still use a lot of old stuff like a 20" CRT TV (from 1996) with over the air (can't track my viewings), CASIO Databank watch (no user's way to connect to computers, network, etc.), VCR, etc.
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said by SLD:

Who really needs these stupid smart phones anyway?
more like it, who needs apple?

but yeah im old school. data package... only if it comes with a free maid

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Hah

That's rich. You get ridiculously low caps on your data plan AND you run the risk of an overage because of these ads that you pay to receive.

Sounds like cable TV.
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Re: Hah

The Ads are how FREE APPS are supported. Don't want ads, BUY your apps.

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said by Z80A:

The Ads are how FREE APPS are supported. Don't want ads, BUY your apps.
But either way you still have to pay for bandwidth and you still run the potential of hitting your cap and getting reamed with overages.

Personally, it isn't the ads that I care about. I just do not see any value in an ad that could cause me to pay a ton of money in overages. I would have 0 problem with ads 24/7 if I got some sort of value in return for being subjected to them.

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iAds aren't going to break anyones cap. No appreciable data is used unless they click the 3K banner and check out the rest of the iAd. The same could be said about ANY ad on any webpage they view. It is also no different that those on capped laptop 3G plans (like VZWs and AT&T's 5GB caps), those web banners count against their caps too. That isn't going to break anyone's 2097152KB cap or even 256,000KB cap unless they are watching a crap load of them and they include videos.

Anyone so concerned about their data usage need only not click the ads.

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said by Z80A:

iAds aren't going to break anyones cap. No appreciable data is used until they click the 3K banner and check out the rest of the iAd. They are in APPLICATION banners. And from the iAd demos, there is some HTML5 interactivity, for what, 250K, 500K, MAYBE 1M? That isn't going to break anyone's 2097152KB cap or even 256,000KB cap unless they are watching a crap load of them.
Even if it is one bit, you are still receiving something that you did not ask for at the expense of bandwidth that you could have used for applications that you would have prefered.

And what if you have already crossed the cap outside of iAd usage? Each new ad will push your overage higher and higher.
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So what? Don't want to pony up the 3K out of the 2,000,000K on your plan...don't use FREE ad supported APPS. Meanwhile don't use the web browser either or check your email...God forbid you get some unwanted content. People seem to forget how small web pages are.

But if you want to enjoy FREE APPS, you will pony up 3K for a banner.

And no, the overages are in groups of 1GB. You don't get pushed 'higher and higher' with each ad. If you go over, you buy another block of data for $10.

So who do you yell at if you are on a cell call and placed on hold? Do you jump from the nearest bridge because they are burning through your precious cell phone minutes?

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said by Z80A:

iAds aren't going to break anyones cap. No appreciable data is used unless they click the 3K banner and check out the rest of the iAd. The same could be said about ANY ad on any webpage they view. It is also no different that those on capped laptop 3G plans (like VZWs and AT&T's 5GB caps), those web banners count against their caps too. That isn't going to break anyone's 2097152KB cap or even 256,000KB cap unless they are watching a crap load of them and they include videos.

Anyone so concerned about their data usage need only not click the ads.

WTF, you dind't use the word "100M".
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Re: Hah

Nice troll.

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said by Z80A:

The Ads are how FREE APPS are supported. Don't want ads, BUY your apps.
How are they free if you are paying for it through advertising with your data?

Don't let logic and reality hit you on the way out. thanks for playing

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Uh, because you don't buy them?

I suppose you think you are paying for OTA network TV because you "spend" your time sitting through commercials.

Yes, a 3K banner out of a 2,000,000K cap is really going to put people over the top. I love how these whiners don't seem to care about being on hold with cell minutes, junk email or web banners but they have a bug in their asses about a 3K banner.

It's not rocket science sport. Any whining schoolgirls who don't want to see the ad simply don't need to break a nail clicking it. Those getting their panties in a bunch over 3K can simply not use the free apps. Or better yet, they could stop eating Crayons long enough to realize that 3K out of 250,000 or 2,000,000 cap isn't shit.

But don't let reality get in the way of your whining.
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Not running iOS4?

How many are receiving this error?

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apple = hollywood users

show how much hollywood you like dont buy apple
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Re: apple = hollywood users

Google too? Perhaps you missed Karl's write up.
Note that Google Android's agreement has a similar statement, and this data is sold and used in part for behavioral advertising

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haahah

and you apple fanboys think microsoft is evil? How long before you have to click out of ads just to make a call?
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Re: haahah

No kidding. I have a client who wanted me to start developing for the new ad platform. I told him that I wouldn't be part of it.
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3G users only?

Do the behavioral ads apply to the iPhone and iPad that use 3G only, or do the Touch and non-3G iPads get lumped in there as well?

I haven't been able to find an article that addresses this.

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Re: 3G users only?

iOS4 isn't out for the iPad yet, so you'll have to wait and see. My guess would be yes.
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Summary

This article provides instructions on how to opt out of receiving interest-based ads from the iAd mobile advertising network.
Products Affected

iTunes Store, iPod touch (3rd generation), iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPod touch (2nd generation)

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Products Affected

iTunes Store, iPod touch (3rd generation), iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPod touch (2nd generation)

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said by ShellMMG:

Do the behavioral ads apply to the iPhone and iPad that use 3G only, or do the Touch and non-3G iPads get lumped in there as well?

I haven't been able to find an article that addresses this.
If i'm reading this correctly it's all apple devices that have the new os.

ipad will get it fall 2010.
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So what exactly is the problem with behavioral ads?

I'm not getting what the problem is. Free apps are going to have ads so the choice is do you want ads that are beyond irrelevant to you or do you want ads that may have a remote chance of being relevant to you?

I would refer somewhat relevant ads. And those that don't can opt out once Apple gets their shat together and recognizes iOS4 when it sees it. (I just tried the oo too using the golden master and it doesn't think I'm running iOS4).
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Re: So what exactly is the problem with behavioral ads?

It's the fact that the app is using YOUR bandwith, which YOU a paying a premium for, to push you an ad. When you're capped at a paltry 2G a month, those KB's add up quick.

I played a version of "Whack-A-Mole" with ads when I was with Wildblue, trying to cut down on every KB I could to keep from hitting the 70% FAP threshold. Those (@*#& streaming ads were a serious nuisance.

It's like someone sending you an ad through your fax machine. Uses your line, your printer, your paper and toner. Only in this case it's your kb's.

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Re: So what exactly is the problem with behavioral ads?

Then don't click the iAd or better don't use free ad supported software.

What, you not going to use the browser either? No email...what if you get junk mail?

The banner uses what, 3K, maybe...out of 200,000KB or 2,000,000KB depending on your plan. The rest doesn't come unless it's clicked.

What happens if you are put on hold while you are using your cell minutes? Who are you going to complain to then?
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Opt out not available until July 1st.

Per »gizmodo.com/5568954/the-complete···ng-ios-4

iAds

What, you're in such a hurry to look at ads on your iPhone? You'll have to cool it for a bit, because the ads themselves aren't available until July 1. What you can do, though, is opt-out of the targeting portion of the ads by going to oo.apple.com, but that isn't live until July 1 either
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Re: Opt out not available until July 1st.

I won't load OS4 on my iPhone.

I would not have bought a portable computer/communicator that was going to charge me for advertisements.

Hey Mr. Jobs?

Are you going to put ads on the Macs to? I'll get rid them also.

Seems AT&T has rubbed off on you. It's a shame.

I love my iPhone, but I'm not In Love with it.

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Reminds me of a Dagwood comic where he goes into a cellphone
store wanting a ringtone that sounds like a regular telephone ring.
The clerk asks him if he's a wiseguy....

Seriously, do we really need all these bells and whistles?
Granted, real-time GPS data has its advantages in case of an
emergency, and having done search & rescue in the past, it
can be a time saver. The downside is, real time location data
can be used against you too. If it is known that the distance
between two points takes an hour of travel time at 60 MPH
and that EZ pass card shows less time than that, then according
to the computers, you were speeding. The computers don't lie.

The companies today just don't listen, they want to cram more
and more advertising into every second you're awake.

How simple is it to just want a phone for phone calls?
I don't need a gazillion megapixel camera that shoots HD video,
or a built in web browser or any of the other stuff that comes
with cellphones today. My phone has a camera and web access.
Want to know how many times I've used them? Zero. None.
Zilch. I even got into an argument with a telemarketer once.
They called because they thought I needed something....
48 years on this planet, I'd like to believe I can still make a
completely sound decision on whether I need something or not.

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Pissed off

Isn't this the same type of behavior Steve was "pissed off" at, which he described outing new Apple products during the All Things Digital speech?

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Re: Pissed off

Personally, I think it's time for Steve Jobs to be (once AGAIN)relieved of the helm of Apple. In my opinion (yes, opinions are like A55h0L3s, everybody's got one), every step he has made as of late is about making Apple the corporate behemoth he was originally warning us AGAINST in 1984.........No???

I'm pretty sure Apple WILL survive without his DRACONIAN control schemes.... BRING ON THE REGIME CHANGE!!!


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Re: Pissed off

said by osxtasy:

Personally, I think it's time for Steve Jobs to be (once AGAIN)relieved of the helm of Apple. In my opinion (yes, opinions are like A55h0L3s, everybody's got one), every step he has made as of late is about making Apple the corporate behemoth he was originally warning us AGAINST in 1984.........No???

I'm pretty sure Apple WILL survive without his DRACONIAN control schemes.... BRING ON THE REGIME CHANGE!!!


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I'm reading on something even more idiotic on this

If true, Apple is truly moronic:

»www.dailytech.com/So+Long+Privac···8805.htm

Can someone confirm this, if you opt-out you can't download ANYTHING from the itunes store.
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You can turn this off on the phone.

Not only that, but you can avoid it by not using free apps, 99 cents isn't that much........

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