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Apple Joins AT&T Verizon Snark Fest
With the same disregard for accuracy...

After several weeks of bickering in the public eye between AT&T and Verizon, Apple this week jumped into the debate feet first with two new ads. The ads, like AT&T's new ads featuring actor Luke Wilson, try to brush aside Verizon's criticisms of AT&T 3G network coverage and performance by highlighting that AT&T iPhone users can browse the Internet and talk on the phone at the same time. Strangely, PC World gets rather excited about the new ads, dismissing AT&T's recent ads as bunk, but hailing Apple for being honest and the ads as being "actually good":

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If AT&T's going to continue its counter-attack on Verizon, it should follow Apple's lead and give us honest, real-world examples of why its network has value. Show us instances where the faster 3G network makes specific tasks easier. Keep talking about the advantages of simultaneous voice and data, but do it with other phones.
Except for the majority of AT&T customers using AT&T's slower EDGE network -- you can't browse and talk at the same time. While the functionality is supported by the EDGE standard, AT&T doesn't actually support it. It's only supported for 3G, and even then it often doesn't work.

Which brings us back to where we started with Verizon's original criticism -- which was based on legitimate consumer criticism: that AT&T's 3G network suffers from poor coverage and performance and wasn't ready for the iPhone. Meanwhile, an upcoming update to the CDMA/EVDO standard will soon give Verizon users the capability -- rendering the entire debate useless. Assuming you even gave a damn about chatting on the phone and browsing simultaneously in the first place.

If you'll recall, Apple's no stranger to ads that misrepresent AT&T's capabilities, their early iPhone ads featuring a blisteringly-fast AT&T network on steroids that users who purchased the iPhone were rather upset to find didn't actually exist (see video). So why is Apple jumping into the debate with new ads? Either they're simply concerned that their brand is getting tarnished because of the latest marketing debate, or they're seriously considering extending their exclusive agreement with AT&T, which ends this summer.
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Steve B
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God....

I hope they don't extend the agreement. Let Apple join the fray...they will be b.slapped just like AT&T.

Mike
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Re: God....

I agree.

Or a phone clearly better than the iPhone and the market reacts.... the only way.

ropeguru
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Re: God....

said by Mike:

I agree.

Or a phone clearly better than the iPhone and the market reacts.... the only way.
It has already arrived...

Mike
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Re: God....

Market is not reacting.

iPhone is king.

ropeguru
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Re: God....

said by Mike:

Market is not reacting.

iPhone is king.
Or the fact that most of those with newer iPhones cannot afford the ETF and are just waiting until their contract runs out. It is a different scenario than when the iPhone first came out and there was no other phone of its type on the market.

Mike
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Re: God....

iPhone will be the king for quite some time.

Almost everyone is attempting to copy it. Therefore, in market research... I think iPhone is doing pretty good.

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There is still no other phone like it.

- A

ropeguru
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Re: God....

said by FastiBook:

There is still no other phone like it.

- A
That I will agree with....
Big Dawg 23
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Just get over it.

All AT&T and Apple are doing is drawing more attention to there issues. AT&T has the really problem. There have an issue with there network. Consumer reports supports that AT&T is not good. T-MO and Verizon have them beat in over 53 markets.
Expand your moderator at work

en102
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Re: Just get over it.

Having them 'beat' does not depict a bad network.

N3OGH
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Extending exclusivity with AT&T a huge mistake

Extending exclusivity with AT&T would be a huge mistake for Apple. Everyone who is willing to put up with AT&T's half baked network all ready has an iPhone. A lot of those people are sick of crappy service. Three of my friends have iPhones and all of them said it makes a great iPod touch, but a lousy phone.

If Apple decides to stick with AT&T as an exclusive partner, it's only a matter of time before the iPhone is seen more as an innovative product of it's time, and less as the current thing to have.

If Apple sticks with AT&T exclusivity, they loose the tremendous buzz they could generate by making the iPhone available on other carriers. Shit, skip Verizon and offer it just to other GSM carriers if you need to.

People want a choice, and Apple can only suck so many uber fans into the latest whiz bang gadget when that wonderful piece of technology lacks the infrastructure to support it.

It's like buying a cigarette boat when you live 1,000 miles away from the water. What's the point?
chemaupr
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Re: Extending exclusivity with AT&T a huge mistake

They wont extend it. But they still have to protect their product for the next 6 months, you can not allow people to jump ship into another vendor until you have the phn with that vendor.

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said by N3OGH:

Extending exclusivity with AT&T would be a huge mistake for Apple. Everyone who is willing to put up with AT&T's half baked network all ready has an iPhone. A lot of those people are sick of crappy service. Three of my friends have iPhones and all of them said it makes a great iPod touch, but a lousy phone.

If Apple decides to stick with AT&T as an exclusive partner, it's only a matter of time before the iPhone is seen more as an innovative product of it's time, and less as the current thing to have.

If Apple sticks with AT&T exclusivity, they loose the tremendous buzz they could generate by making the iPhone available on other carriers. Shit, skip Verizon and offer it just to other GSM carriers if you need to.

People want a choice, and Apple can only suck so many uber fans into the latest whiz bang gadget when that wonderful piece of technology lacks the infrastructure to support it.

It's like buying a cigarette boat when you live 1,000 miles away from the water. What's the point?
The point is that there ARE millions of people who DO live near water and will enjoy their cigarette boat.

The iphone and att works well for me. I've heard complaints from others in the same area saying that the service sucks (and usually from people who don't even have att) but I don't experience that same poor service.

Many iphone users including myself will continue to purchase new ones as they're release. We then sell our old ones on ebay or craigslist and draw in someone new who wanted an iphone but didn't want the contract. This doesn't mean we're stupid or closed minded. It simply means we've found a device we like and enjoy using. Plain and simple. Any comments otherwise are just ignorant.

I'm not currently tied to att, but I won't switch to another carrier unless the grass is really greener on the other side. It's gonna take more than more 3g coverage nationwide and a droid to convince me to switch. I notice that there are more anti-att comments on this forum and I really don't blame anyone for them. Get something that works for you and be happy with it. Otherwise, switch.

I'm happy with my product/service and have no need to switch. I'm sure many others feel the same, otherwise iphone sales would be declining each summer and not rising. Opinions will say one or two things, but actual market sales will say another.

N3OGH
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Re: Extending exclusivity with AT&T a huge mistake

No one called you closed minded or ignorant.

Sure, there are plenty of people the iPhone works just fine for. I had this very discussion concerning the iPhone with a friend and his girlfriend. He loves his iPhone, but he hates AT&T. This is something I hear echoed and echoed over and over again. Great device, crappy service. He would jump in a heartbeat if he could get his iPhone on a different carrier. He's not tech savvy enough to jail break it and the like.

"Any comments otherwise are just ignorant."

It is blanket statements just like these that ARE the height of ignorance in and of themselves.

I'm a fan. A fan of good products, at reasonable prices that offer consumer choice, and good service.

I'm typing this post on a Mac Mini less than 3 months old, with a used MBP within a meter of my location. I love Apple hardware. Awesome products. But I'm not buying an iPhone on AT&T. Too many people have had too many issues.

Recently, I was assigned to spec, bid, order, and configure $10,000 worth of client/server equipment for the Municipality I work for. Sure, I would have LOVED to plunk Macs down as workstations. But the reality is, our software runs in a Windows environment. Plus, as a Municipality we get the State contract price on our gear from a well known supplier of PC equipment (Dell).

They went out of their way to bring us in under budget. I was impressed with what we got for $10K.

We've had the gear a few weeks now. I got everything up and running with help from the folks in the Microsoft forum (thanks guys). I did have some problems Saturday night with an unexpected server shutdown. I called Dell, and they had TWO techs assigned to my issue. A primary, and a secondary to cover when the primary was off. Both contacted me directly to ensure the issue was resolved. To say the least, I was impressed.

I literally love the iPhone, and I have an iPod Touch. My sister has an iPhone 2 GS ( a rip off of the IIGS name, IMHO) but in my position my phone is close to being a mission critical piece of equipment.

In my part of the world (NE corridor) that means having a Verizon cell phone. I know a lot of people will knock this post for saying that, but from DC to Boston, no one can beat Verizon. Period.

If/when the iPhone comes to Verizon, I'll be happy to line up. Until then, oh well. I'll live with my BlackBerry Storm with the 5.0 software.

Apple can't afford to maintain exclusivity with AT&T, the competition is literally nipping at their heels, and it won't be long before AT&T's network hangs around Apple's neck like a GSM anchor....
rmergner
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Re: Extending exclusivity with AT&T a huge mistake

I live and work in SE PA. I have had nothing but great service from ATT, both for phone calls and the web. I find it funny that you think the Storm is such a great phone. My company gave me one for free and it was such an awful phone I threatened to flush it down the toilet and finally gave it back after two months. I could never hear the party on the other end and they generally had trouble hearing me as well. With the exception of the Pearl, every Blackberry I've used has been a lousy phone. My wife is still on Verizon as we are in the middle of a 5 line migration based on contract expiration dates. She commutes on the Blue Route and the calls drop out on her end all the time. This while traveling the most heavily used commute route in the area. I think it might be a bit early to nominate Verizon for sainthood.

Oh, and how do you deal with all those Blackberry outages with your "mission critical" phone. I get mail on the iPhone via our company exchange server before it even shows up on my desktop email client connected directly to our server over the VPN. During Blackberry's most recent outage (a couple weeks ago) I was still getting mail while my unfortunate co-workers who haven't switched yet were left in the dark.

Lets keep the FanBoy impulses out of the discussion and deal with reality. ATT is not perfect in SE PA, for sure, but neither is Verizon.

N3OGH
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Re: Extending exclusivity with AT&T a huge mistake

Shrug.

It's a cell phone, not my wife.

NEXT PLEASE!

FFH5
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Could this kill Verizon getting iPhone next year ?

This action by Apple of defending AT&T vigorously could kill off any sale of the iPhone on Verizon next year. Verizon may not want anything to do with Apple.

Steve B
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Re: Could this kill Verizon getting iPhone next year ?

Possibly. If it does, then let it happen. Apple is one company with one kind of phone. Android will eventually surpass them. Apple better watch it.
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Re: Could this kill Verizon getting iPhone next year ?

said by Steve B:

Apple better watch it.
Given Apple's growing fan base and Android's over-hyped, yet mediocre entrance into the market, I don't think Apple has much to worry about anytime soon. Having said that, I do think VZ will snag an iPhone if the financials can be worked out between the two companies. I don't think Apple's latest advertisements are that vigorous, nor do I think they'll drive VZ to shun Apple away.

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Re: Could this kill Verizon getting iPhone next year ?

said by openbox9:

said by Steve B:

Apple better watch it.
Given Apple's growing fan base and Android's over-hyped, yet mediocre entrance into the market, I don't think Apple has much to worry about anytime soon. Having said that, I do think VZ will snag an iPhone if the financials can be worked out between the two companies. I don't think Apple's latest advertisements are that vigorous, nor do I think they'll drive VZ to shun Apple away.
Pfft, I love my android powered device!
puck0114
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Re: Could this kill Verizon getting iPhone next year ?

Me, too. I specifically chose it over the iPhone because it's more flexible (although not as pretty). iPhone is simpler, though, so it's going to have more mass market appeal... Android will do well with the "geek market."

Cheese
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Re: Could this kill Verizon getting iPhone next year ?

said by puck0114:

Me, too. I specifically chose it over the iPhone because it's more flexible (although not as pretty). iPhone is simpler, though, so it's going to have more mass market appeal... Android will do well with the "geek market."
Which model did you get? I have the Samsung Moment.

Matt3
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Re: Could this kill Verizon getting iPhone next year ?

said by Cheese:
said by puck0114:

Me, too. I specifically chose it over the iPhone because it's more flexible (although not as pretty). iPhone is simpler, though, so it's going to have more mass market appeal... Android will do well with the "geek market."
Which model did you get? I have the Samsung Moment.
I have a Moto Droid (Android 2.0) and I also am really enjoying it.

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Re: Could this kill Verizon getting iPhone next year ?

I have a "old school", first-gen G1 and I'm still happy as hell with it.
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HTC Hero on Sprint... It's shallow, I know, but I really didn't like the style of the Droid and every Motorola I've had has fallen apart within a year. Plus, the Hero is getting the 2.0 upgrade once HTC updates their UI to deal with it...
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Re: Could this kill Verizon getting iPhone next year ?

said by puck0114:

HTC Hero on Sprint... It's shallow, I know, but I really didn't like the style of the Droid and every Motorola I've had has fallen apart within a year. Plus, the Hero is getting the 2.0 upgrade once HTC updates their UI to deal with it...
I just the Sprint Hero HTC over this past weekend. First touch screen for me. So I'm still learning it. Overall I like it.

I'm beginning to think though, the timing of AT&T raising the ETF could possibly be due to all the Android phones coming out. One way to keep people from switching over?? A lot of the forums I've been reading ove rthe last couple weeks have had several iPhone users switch over to Androids.

I'm waiting for the update to 2.0 from Sprint.

Paul
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That doesn't change the market share that the iPhone dwarfs the android platforms with.

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said by openbox9:

said by Steve B:

Apple better watch it.
Given Apple's growing fan base and Android's over-hyped, yet mediocre entrance into the market, I don't think Apple has much to worry about anytime soon. Having said that, I do think VZ will snag an iPhone if the financials can be worked out between the two companies. I don't think Apple's latest advertisements are that vigorous, nor do I think they'll drive VZ to shun Apple away.
The androids I've see beat my expectations. I know some iPhone users that have jumped ship for the Android.

Apple's latest ad is false considering that video showed it "in the heart of AT&T's network" and lagged and lagged and lagged. Apple fans love Apple but won't love a partner if they lie. They love the phone and hate the network.

I never got the hype of the iPhone and its outrageous plans and prices at AT&T. Go to Apple's boards and see the hate.

Actually, I thought the iPhone worked best jailbroken in the heart of TMobile's network.

Of course, at $50 a month, get a jailbroke phone and use Boost.

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said by Steve B:

Possibly. If it does, then let it happen. Apple is one company with one kind of phone. Android will eventually surpass them. Apple better watch it.
Apple makes shoddy hardware, AT&T has a shoddy network. Let them rot in bed together IMO.

Android is going to be where it's at in the foreseeable future.

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Actually, by Verizon going after the iPhone in their Droid ads, Verizon could very well be killing Verizon getting the iPhone. Verizon (like Han Solo) did indeed fire first.

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Money talks, I doubt the big guys at each company will disregard the potential profits due to some ads.
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Its only been bloggers and/or self proclaimed industry analysts that have talked about the iPhone "going to Verizon". Neither Verizon or Apple as far as I have seen recently has publicly indicated they wanted to make a deal happen. A CDMA/EVDO version of the iPhone could happen, but so far it has not which in my opinion makes it less likely that it will. All those job postings that have helped fuel the rumors more than likely have to do with LTE rather than a CDMA/EVDO version of the iPhone.
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said by FFH5:

This action by Apple of defending AT&T vigorously could kill off any sale of the iPhone on Verizon next year. Verizon may not want anything to do with Apple.
It is just like any other industry. Look at the companies that are listed as prefered brands. They do it to get the money. Once the contract is over, and the money is gone they will go with someone else.

en102
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It comes down to more of 'is Apple building an iPhone with a CDMA chipset'. They 'could' cheaply reband for AWS and sell on T-Mobile w/o any issue.
Putting in another chipset/technology that Apple has never supported may be a bigger issue / cost in the long run, as 9/10 devices globally use GSM/UMTS.

Gbcue
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T-Mobile is great!

I've actually been talking on my phone and doing Google Maps on my T-Mobile myTouch 3G with Google on the robust T-mobile 3G network.

It's pretty fast and about to get faster with HSPA+. Soon T-Mobile will have the fastest nationwide 3G network.

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Verizon a little hypocritical - attacks Sprint ads

»news.yahoo.com/s/ap/2009 ··· xtel_ads
The National Advertising Division of the Council of Better Business Bureaus made the recommendation following a challenge to Sprint's ads by rival Verizon Wireless.

The division said the most recent tests by the researcher Nielsen Co. showed Verizon had fewer calls blocked or dropped than Sprint. Sprint argued that reviewers should look at more than one set of tests to avoid one-time events like weather or bad cell towers.

Sprint, based in Overland Park, Kan., stands by its claims and says it will appeal to the National Advertising Review Board.
Makes Verizon look like they aren't for open advertising - but just for THEIR ads.
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Re: Verizon a little hypocritical - attacks Sprint ads

There's nothing hypocritical when they have a test done by Nielsen of all people to back them up. Nielsen's bread and butter is their credibility. Sprint is saying Nielsen's test is flawed, why don't they back it up with another test by another organization with the credibility that Nielsen has.

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Happy Customer

I've been with ATT 10 years now, my iphone runs on 3G with no dropped calls, fast speeds and I can surf and talk. I've yet to experience any of these issues the majority everyone complains about.

thender
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Is 3G that fast anyway?

I barely get 100 kbps in a lot of places in NYC with verizon.

I'm not saying they're worse than AT&T, with AT&T a lot oof people can't even make phone calls in buildings. But on web browsing speed, at least in my area, no one should be putting down the other's network. They're all slow as it is.

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ebubman
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tired of att

long time att customer; when our contract ends, we're going to verizon. back when we did the 3g data thing on various att phones we NEVER got anything near the advertised speeds. typically it was far more like dial-up. tired of att's song & dance. counting days to contract termination. nice going guys.
itguy05
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Re: tired of att

You won't get close to those speeds with Verizon either.....

Around S. Central PA AT&T is the one to beat. Trust me, I have both....

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Re: tired of att

said by itguy05:

You won't get close to those speeds with Verizon either.....

Around S. Central PA AT&T is the one to beat. Trust me, I have both....
Head north of Harrisburg, and your song will change. Trust me, Verizon has AT&T beat handily across most of the state. There is no 3G anywhere near me, and the EDGE speeds are HORRIBLE. I am lucky to have any data at all in the town I work, and pings are pushing 8 seconds or more at times. Their EDGE network is badly overloaded.

I was looking forward to Driod, but I don't think Android is quite there yet. Once I see a purtty droid device, I am ditching AT&T. I have never had such horrible phone service.

I'll be driving to Michigan (again) for work, and there is almost no 3G anywhere along the ride on I-80. They don't even have 3G in the area between Toledo and Detroit!

I'd really like to know when AT&T plans to fix these issues? Please tell me they have a plan?
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Map confusion

I was just shocked to see I live in a area with 3G coverage according to at&ts map. Oh that's right I don't have 3G but it says I do.

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Luke Wilson...

... has a mis-shapen head.

Matt3
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Update to EVDO?

said by Karl :
Meanwhile, an upcoming update to the CDMA/EVDO standard will soon give Verizon users the capability -- rendering the entire debate useless.
I don't doubt you, but do you have a source with more info on this? I'd like to know more as I thought it was technically impossible.

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Works beautifully here.

Using Google maps while on the phone.
Looking something up for the wife while on the phone.
Any one of the nav apps + talking on the phone

I could go on and on, but talk and surf rocks.

Sadly the NOTwork can't do this!

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Re: Works beautifully here.

said by itguy05:

Using Google maps while on the phone.
Looking something up for the wife while on the phone.
Any one of the nav apps + talking on the phone

I could go on and on, but talk and surf rocks.

Sadly the NOTwork can't do this!
Only with 3G coverage, with which "the map for that" shows that ATT has very little of.
gworkman
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And who pays

It truly annoys me to see this pissing match continue...on my dime. How much is being spent to produce these ads? How much is the time purchased costing them? I've seen Luke way too many times since Sunday. The commercial is annoying and not very informative (aside from a wallet that may exist somewhere near Tempe AZ.)

I've got no problem with advertising to bring in new customers, but ATT's lame attempt is doing nothing but costing them (and eventually us) money.

Take 70% of your ad fund and put it where is counts...into the network.
WhatNow
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Re: And who pays

This is my feeling quit paying for ads and lawyers but the money into your network. I use Edge on my computer in some areas that you can't always see a houseand I get 250k most of the time. Friends are telling me the big tower companies are placing fiber more fiber to their towers so every vendor on the tower gets fiber feed what their equipment does over the fiber will depend on the end equipment.
So it is Location Location Location and the maps can change quickly or not. It is just like the laptop you buy it is old within 6 months compared with what is coming out new.

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please do research before posting

Most iPhone users have 3G. This article is false. Square miles != population.

rpeAMP
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AT&T & Verizon

I carry an iPhone (AT&T) for my personal calls and a Blackberry (Verizon) for work, and so I am a walking/talking cell phone review.

At places with high concentrations of people (like a college football game), AT&T needs to stop worrying about talking and browsing simultaneously and worry about getting a damn phone call in or out. It is truly unbelievable. And it's not just me. You listen to people around you tailgating complaining that they can't make/receive calls or text messages.

This has happened so many times I can't enumerate. The signal is always 3G with "full bars" but voice/data/text is completely inoperable.

I have never once had capacity issues such as these with Verizon. In some places, the signal might not be as strong or the data might not be blazing fast, but if I need 911 or to get in touch with someone in a hurry, my Verizon phone will be the one I use.

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Your area = Best

Location, Location, Location....... That's the bottom line.

In my area TMo has the best coverage and speed. My friend just came home from Iraq and I recommended VZW and the Droid because she is going to travel to FL, PA, HI, and DC alot. For her VZW might not be the best in my area but it's the best overall in all of those areas. Do your research and choose the carrier that best serves YOUR particular area regardless of what you see on TV.

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even then it often doesn't work

I've been using AT&T for about a year and I have always been able to make/keep data sessions at the same time as voice sessions.

The article implies that this is not something that is reliable.

Martindziad
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join:2002-04-04
Chicago, IL

Martindziad

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I Hope that they dont get extended

Let just be honest, it's expensive service is bad and it's so over hyped just as this video above shows the point.

Truly I hope ATT learns from this cause they are loosing more and more customers.
sam64
join:2006-07-31
Newtown, PA

sam64

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How many hours have people debated this subject

I cannot believe that peope have spent so much time and energy debating this and everything else about the iPhone. Bottom line is "location ...location ...location"!

AT&T works great in some areas and not others. The same can be said for VZW or TMO or Sprint.

The same with phones - some prefer the iPhone, others the Droid, others the Blackberry and yet others the Pre or many other "smartphones" available on the market. Each has its pluses and minuses - wake up people, the perfect phone has not been invented as yet!

I look at this website for news and debates on a variety of subjects related to broadband. Recently, it has become a iPhone/AT&T bashing forum. Maybe Karl has run out of ideas but at the rate this is going, this site provides me no valuable info other than countless users ranting on and on.
rumrat1
join:2003-04-06
Hialeah, FL

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Re: How many hours have people debated this subject

AMEN Brother!!! You took the words right out of my mouth.

RRedline
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join:2002-05-15
USA

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said by sam64:

I look at this website for news and debates on a variety of subjects related to broadband. Recently, it has become a iPhone/AT&T bashing forum. Maybe Karl has run out of ideas but at the rate this is going, this site provides me no valuable info other than countless users ranting on and on.
It's because there are A LOT of unhappy AT&T customers. Verizon simply doesn't have nearly as many problems with its network as AT&T does.
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