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Apple Lied To FCC About Blocking Google Voice
Google offers unredacted FCC response

Back in July, the FCC sent letters to Apple, AT&T, and Google exploring why Apple had banned the Google Voice App. Apple and AT&T, both of whom have significant financial reasons for blocking the application, played dumb in their response to the FCC. AT&T denied having any say in the Apple application store approval process -- despite very clear evidence to the contrary -- while Apple claimed the Google Voice app hadn't been banned, it simply, uh, hadn't been approved yet. Even the most loyal cult of Mac acolyte found the reasoning wimpy.

Google's response to the FCC at the time was heavily redacted, with much of the communication between Google and Apple removed. After Freedom Of Information Act requests were filed, Google has decided to offer up the fully underacted FCC filing to the public. Not only does the filing show that Apple admits to blocking the application, it highlights detailed communication between the companies (specifically Apple's Phil Schiller) explaining why:

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Apple's representatives informed Google that the Google Voice application was rejected because Apple believed the application duplicated the core dialer functionality of the iPhone. The Apple representative indicated that the company did not want applications that could potentially replace such functionality.
Apple of course included this reasoning in their public response to the FCC, glossing over the fact that this was a slap in the face to consumer choice, and a fairly obvious move designed to protect both Apple and AT&T from smart phone OS competition and MMS/voice revenue erosion, respectively.

Over at the Google blog, Google says they continue to work with Apple. Apple meanwhile continues to insist they didn't block the application, they're just, you know, thinking about it.
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bigfitch
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What will happen?

So does that mean they are going to get punished or just a slap on the wrist and told to be good little apples??

It seams the FCC needs to step in and make an example of Apple!!

Will it happen... Doubt it.
Just my $.02
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Re: What will happen?

Why does the FCC need to step in? Why is it any of their business? Everyone acts like Apple/ATT has some sort of monopoly. They don't. In fact I'd venture to say Apple is one of the smallest (unit sales) handset manufacturers out there.

Why should the government have any say on what they allow/disallow to run on their platform? Just because a company doesn't give you what you want doesn't make it illegal...and doesn't give you a reason to go whining to the government to fix it.
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Re: What will happen?

I'm pretty sure Apple has taken the lion's share of smartphone users by this point, by introducing so many people to the arena. They're gaining market share like c razy everywhere else.

Personally, I think the US Gov't should run a big campaign saying "Jailbreak your iPhones" and see what Apple and AT&T do then Or maybe Google could do that.

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Re: What will happen?

said by iansltx:

I'm pretty sure Apple has taken the lion's share of smartphone users by this point, by introducing so many people to the arena. They're gaining market share like c razy everywhere else.

Personally, I think the US Gov't should run a big campaign saying "Jailbreak your iPhones" and see what Apple and AT&T do then Or maybe Google could do that.
I doubt that since many people had smart phones before Apple, companies use blackberries, and anyone that does not have ATT does not use the Iphone.
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Re: What will happen?

There are ther countries that have the iPhone as well.

And again, we're talking about a platform that has tons of users upgrading from feature phones to smartphones, thus growing the pie rather than just taking a piece away from, say, RIM.

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Apple has about a 13% share worldwide. RIM is slightly higher and Nokia is handing them both their ass. They have about a 30% share of the US market, you can see that about the time the $199 subsidized phone was released, their market share shot up.

»brainstormtech.blogs.for ··· -market/

»www.businessinsider.com/ ··· n-2009-8
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Re: What will happen?

...and the market shares have only gone up from there, in all likelihood. I'm thinking the iPhone is the number one smartphone in the US at this point...

Matt3
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Re: What will happen?

said by iansltx:

...and the market shares have only gone up from there, in all likelihood. I'm thinking the iPhone is the number one smartphone in the US at this point...
That's highly doubtful. I see many more Blackberry devices than iPhones.
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Re: What will happen?

I see the opposite. Then again I'm in a different environment than you, so neither of our findings are scientific.

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Re: What will happen?

I actually see fewer blackberries and palms etc every month, more and more biz folks are switching to iphone, and indeed more "everyone else" folks have it too. I personally have an iPhone 3G because i really like the iPhone and it's (at least to me) worth the $ to have the internet and phone and ipod in my pocket in one device.

I ride the train from newark to trenton, and newark from manhattan or jersey city, and there are thousands of business folks, and more and more and more of them i've seen with an iPhone. They really are becoming all most as common as regular iPods.

As far as exclusivity, apple didn't just say "hay guise who wants teh fone" they partnered with att to develop visual voicemail, the tech support infrastructure, pricing etc, it's a partnership, not just some regular contract for exclusivity. When vz can run its own show without massive billing errors and unreasonable pricing (you think att is expensive till you realize you have 4000 roll over minutes and no one else has that) and rude CSA's apple will surely have a LTE fone ready for them, but till then it will be only att, then it will be att and vz and prolly tm.

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Re: What will happen?

Why would a business want to go to the iphone since none of the applications sold in the Apple store can be used for business purposes without violating the Apple ToS?

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said by Matt3:

Apple has about a 13% share worldwide. RIM is slightly higher and Nokia is handing them both their ass. They have about a 30% share of the US market, you can see that about the time the $199 subsidized phone was released, their market share shot up.

»brainstormtech.blogs.for ··· -market/

»www.businessinsider.com/ ··· n-2009-8
Really Nokia? I cant remember the last time I saw anyone with a Nokia.
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The FCC needs to do something because it's unfair business practice by AT&T/Apple going on. All smartphone users on AT&T pay $30/month for data, which of course includes iPhone users. BlackBerry/WinMo users, who pay the same $30/month as iPhone users, get unrestricted access to these kinds of applications (SlingPlayer, Skype, GVoice, etc.) while iPhone users have restricted or no access.

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Re: What will happen?

Caveat Emptor.
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And again, why is that the FCC's problem? You answered the question yourself, If you need a feature that the device doesn't have, get another device!
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Re: What will happen?

Because anti-trust law revolves around a company leveraging their control over a certain sector of a market to push their own products to the consumer. Such favoritism is illegal.

That's why Dell cannot sell you a PC and force you to use their own provided software.

And would you mind explaining to me why you're lawyering up for massively profitable companies?

This may be hard to admit, but you're never going to be rich. You're never going to own a big company, or be a big-time CEO, so by defending them you're only hurting yourself.
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Re: What will happen?

as a matter of fact, yes dell can force you their software on their pc's, just as apple does. The only one who CAN'T is Microsoft, due to monopoly/antitrust laws.

And I'm not "lawyering up". I'm sick of everyone who doesn't get what they want running to the gov't to fix it for them.

As for your last comment...you don't know me or anything about me. That comment is just a bit more ridiculous and unfounded than the rest of your post.
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Re: What will happen?

said by beaups:

as a matter of fact, yes dell can force you their software on their pc's, just as apple does. The only one who CAN'T is Microsoft, due to monopoly/antitrust laws.

And I'm not "lawyering up". I'm sick of everyone who doesn't get what they want running to the gov't to fix it for them.

As for your last comment...you don't know me or anything about me. That comment is just a bit more ridiculous and unfounded than the rest of your post.
Dell cannot prevent you from purchasing or downloading software outside of their approved stable of applications, and running it on their computers. ISN'T THIS FRICKIN' OBVIOUS???

No I don't know anything about you, but I was making a point about how unlikely it is for most people who support corporations to ever be in a position that actually benefits from such pro-corporate attitudes.
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Re: What will happen?

said by beaups:

It's like the tens of millions and middle and lower class people who vote for Republicans, who subsequently pass tax breaks for the rich, burden the middle class and poor, and drive up huge deficits.
I suppose giving $7 billion to banks and auto mfr's has no effect on deficits?

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Re: What will happen?

opposed to $910,897,713,209 spent on the war?

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Re: What will happen?

said by overclocked :

opposed to $910,897,713,209 spent on the war?
Pwnt!

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as opposed to running the deficit up above 21,000,000,000,000??

Pwnt indeed.

Anyone need a bailout?? Anyone??

As has been stated already, Apple cannot block certain software on their phones. The same way MS couldn't MAKE you use IE, and on and on again....just because you've told yourself its true, doesn't make it so.
Expand your moderator at work

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The difference is that they can't force you to use only their software. If Dell PCs came with junkware that couldn't be immediately uninstalled or overridden, they'd get slapped with antitrust charges.

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said by beaups:

And again, why is that the FCC's problem? You answered the question yourself, If you need a feature that the device doesn't have, get another device!
No problem. Oh wait, there's an ETF fee and I'm in a contract.

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Re: What will happen?

said by Matt3:
said by beaups:

And again, why is that the FCC's problem? You answered the question yourself, If you need a feature that the device doesn't have, get another device!
No problem. Oh wait, there's an ETF fee and I'm in a contract.
Then pay the ETF, end the contract, and get the other device.

OR

Get the other device and use both of them. You don't really expect your dishwasher to cook as well as your oven, do you?
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said by MRCUR:

The FCC needs to do something because it's unfair business practice by AT&T/Apple going on. All smartphone users on AT&T pay $30/month for data, which of course includes iPhone users. BlackBerry/WinMo users, who pay the same $30/month as iPhone users, get unrestricted access to these kinds of applications (SlingPlayer, Skype, GVoice, etc.) while iPhone users have restricted or no access.
I fail to understand what's "unfair". There are several choices for smart phones from various providers. If you don't like the ToS of the product and you have other, better choices that fit your desires, then don't purchase the product. It really is that simple, yet people continue to whine. If enough consumers truly feel slighted by this business, then they wouldn't purchase the product and Apple/AT&T would be reevaluating their business decisions. But guess what....
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Re: What will happen?

said by openbox9:

said by MRCUR:

The FCC needs to do something because it's unfair business practice by AT&T/Apple going on. All smartphone users on AT&T pay $30/month for data, which of course includes iPhone users. BlackBerry/WinMo users, who pay the same $30/month as iPhone users, get unrestricted access to these kinds of applications (SlingPlayer, Skype, GVoice, etc.) while iPhone users have restricted or no access.
I fail to understand what's "unfair". There are several choices for smart phones from various providers. If you don't like the ToS of the product and you have other, better choices that fit your desires, then don't purchase the product. It really is that simple, yet people continue to whine. If enough consumers truly feel slighted by this business, then they wouldn't purchase the product and Apple/AT&T would be reevaluating their business decisions. But guess what....
US law stipulates that one cannot leverage their monopoly over a particular platform (in this case the iPhone hardware) to create artificial barriers to their competition (in this case software developers). That is US law. The fact that it hasn't been properly followed or executed for the last 8 years doesn't change what is written.

If you don't like it, lobby Congress to change it so your favorite corporations can stick it to you all day long.
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Re: What will happen?

What monopoly? I don't need to lobby Congress because things appear to be working sanely enough.

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When discussing monopolies, it all depends upon how one defines a market. What should the government look at when determining whether or not a monopoly exists-- the "iPhone" market, or the significantly larger, more competitive "smartphone" market? When making a decision about whether or not additional oversight, punishments, or regulation is necessary this is likely the question the government will ask (and answer).

As much as I'd like to see the government stick it to AT&T and Apple over their "it's not my fault, I'm a good little angel" nonsense, I don't think it will happen over this. The government will likely (and properly) determine that the relevant market is all smartphones, not just iPhones. Given this likelihood, I wouldn't expect much to happen.

To those who would argue that the "iPhone" market is appropriate because Apple controls the hardware, I would suggest you need to think more broadly... Or should BMW be regulated because they have the "monopoly" on manufacturing BMW X5s? Or should Starbucks be regulated because they have the "monopoly" on manufacturing their proprietary blend for pumpkin spice lattes? (I could go on, but you probably get the point.)

Does it suck that Apple and/or AT&T can pull this crap and get away with it? Sure. As an iPhone owner, am I upset about this? Absolutely. But complaining iPhone owners also need to take a little responsibility for themselves-- it's not like they didn't know about Apple's ability to control what apps are and are not part of the App Store before they bought the device. It boils down to this... Apple's court + Apple's rackets + Apple's ball = Apple's tennis game.

Besides, it's not like any iPhone owner couldn't spend 15 minutes doing a little research to find out how to jailbreak their phone, thus releasing Apple's supposed "death grip" on what apps can and can't be installed...

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said by MRCUR:

The FCC needs to do something because it's unfair business practice by AT&T/Apple going on. All smartphone users on AT&T pay $30/month for data, which of course includes iPhone users. BlackBerry/WinMo users, who pay the same $30/month as iPhone users, get unrestricted access to these kinds of applications (SlingPlayer, Skype, GVoice, etc.) while iPhone users have restricted or no access.
Heres a thought. Drop the service and get a new cell phone...

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said by beaups:

Why does the FCC need to step in? Why is it any of their business? Everyone acts like Apple/ATT has some sort of monopoly. They don't. In fact I'd venture to say Apple is one of the smallest (unit sales) handset manufacturers out there.

Why should the government have any say on what they allow/disallow to run on their platform? Just because a company doesn't give you what you want doesn't make it illegal...and doesn't give you a reason to go whining to the government to fix it.
It's the domino effect, if other companies see that Apple can get away with screwing it's user base over, what do you think is going to stop others from doing the same?

Next thing you know smartphones/PDAs/whatever-you-want-to-call-them will only allow you to install software that was "blessed" by the provider (or even manufacturer) and you know what the developer will have to do to get their blessing? Cough up some serious cash. Which, in the long run, if you have enough cash you can even get malware past them and when the end user's complain the company will turn around and say "its not our problem" even though users had put their trust into them to make sure that they didn't get malware on their devices.
I bet ANY amount of money I could sneak malware on the iPhone without Apple knowing. All you have to do is put a timebomb in it, and after 10 days then unleash the malware code. Don't give me that look Apple fanbois with your iPhones - you know full well if you purchase the SDK the platform is yours for the taking...its just a matter of time before someone bursts the trust bubble.

The scary part about applications isn't installing untrusted 3rd party applications that could have malware, but installing an application from the manufacture or carrier app store that does contain malware.

Now, of course, there is a 99% chance that the application doesn't have malware code in it...but how do you know?
Can you disassemble an iPhone app? I can disassemble any Windows application and get a good idea of what it does or is going to do.

Am I right or am I wrong, I ask you?
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Re: What will happen?

said by k1ll3rdr4g0n:

said by beaups:

Why does the FCC need to step in? Why is it any of their business? Everyone acts like Apple/ATT has some sort of monopoly. They don't. In fact I'd venture to say Apple is one of the smallest (unit sales) handset manufacturers out there.

Why should the government have any say on what they allow/disallow to run on their platform? Just because a company doesn't give you what you want doesn't make it illegal...and doesn't give you a reason to go whining to the government to fix it.
It's the domino effect, if other companies see that Apple can get away with screwing it's user base over, what do you think is going to stop others from doing the same?

Next thing you know smartphones/PDAs/whatever-you-want-to-call-them will only allow you to install software that was "blessed" by the provider (or even manufacturer) and you know what the developer will have to do to get their blessing? Cough up some serious cash. Which, in the long run, if you have enough cash you can even get malware past them and when the end user's complain the company will turn around and say "its not our problem" even though users had put their trust into them to make sure that they didn't get malware on their devices.
I bet ANY amount of money I could sneak malware on the iPhone without Apple knowing. All you have to do is put a timebomb in it, and after 10 days then unleash the malware code. Don't give me that look Apple fanbois with your iPhones - you know full well if you purchase the SDK the platform is yours for the taking...its just a matter of time before someone bursts the trust bubble.

The scary part about applications isn't installing untrusted 3rd party applications that could have malware, but installing an application from the manufacture or carrier app store that does contain malware.

Now, of course, there is a 99% chance that the application doesn't have malware code in it...but how do you know?
Can you disassemble an iPhone app? I can disassemble any Windows application and get a good idea of what it does or is going to do.

Am I right or am I wrong, I ask you?
With my Motorola v3xx, I was unable to run some software (that needed particular access to the system), or without significant nags (having to give permission to the mapping application every time it pulls a new map piece), if it wasn't blessed by AT&T or Motorola. I did eventually get a motorola developer certificate so that I could self-sign, but it would only work on my own device.

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Anti-competitive behavior, discrimination, you name it. It'd be like Microsoft blocking the installation of Thunderbird for email because it "duplicates" Outlook/Live Mail/Outlook Express core functionality; it's not cricket and it has to stop.
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The FCC needs to step in when Google can't have its own way and all the Google fans cry and stop their feet like 2year old kids.
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I was very excited about using this app, but oh well.
If I was in Apples position I woudve rejected it to.

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Its the consumer's fault

If people would just stop buying Apples "We own you and will tell you how to use it" crap, this wouldn't be an issue.

Until then, I say let Apple screw their customers all they want. They deserve it.

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Reality check

Didn't Microsoft get nailed for this with IE and WMP embedded in Windows. It's like your not allowed to use Firefox or Opera because Windows comes with IE.

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dumb apple

Isn't the easiest thing for Apple to say is its not a computer, and putting apps on an iPhone is a privilege, not a right, same as Verizon's GetItNow?

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Lying?

Their is an app for that!

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Apple should be able to do what they did

Where they are falling down is lying about it. They should just have come out and said "AT&T loses money if Google's Voice app is allowed and we partner with AT&T and AT&T pays us a lot of money to have the iPhone the way they want it. Don't like that then go buy someone else's product."

This is only a big deal (all wireless companies make similar decisions) because Google(who wants to rule the world) is pissed that someone dared to stand in their way. And since Google paid good money for a Dem president and a Dem FCC, they want their money's worth.

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how

do you like them apples?

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What?? You're replacing our precious dialer??

Lately Apple has been making my blood boil. They are concerned that the Google Voice application would replace their dialer??? What if someone developed another browser for the iphone? Guess they would deny that one too. You know some big corporation, namely M$ got into trouble a while back for anti-competitive software installation behavior. What's next, "oh! no more background images, people will be replacing our background images". "oh! no more cases for your phone, people are hiding the Apple Logo." "No more 3rd party head phones because white headphones are our Trade Mark and everyone must use them if they are listening to music on the iPhone!"

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Apple lying

Lying? No way!!!

Anyone remember "the world's fastest personal computer" when the G5 was released?

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Lying? No way!!!

Anyone remember "the world's fastest personal computer" when the G5 was released?
HA! I remember that! I also remember them turning around later and lying again saying "Megahertz doesn't matter" trying to defend that same machine.

What kills me the most about the Kool-aid drinkers is that they will complain about any other company lying. Yet when the king of liars spews out their lies, they hand the king of liars more money!
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Apple didn't lie

As usual, Karl jumps on anyone and everyone whom he doesn't like. The fact is that Apple told Google that it wouldn't approve Google Voice unless it stopped trying to take over the iPhone's directory. Google refused, and so the app has not been approved.

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The battle begins...

The battle to keep people from using VoIP over their cell networks for pennies compared to what they charge for voice calling. I can't wait.

Rates for voice are in the thousands per GB if you calculate it out. Data goes for $20-50/GB (up here in Canada).

My idea for a product: mobile VoIP phone. Pop in a SIM card or plug in one of the USB mobile internet sticks, get a data plan, Done. Anytime calling at data rates, fractions of a penny per minute.

You could already do this with a laptop or netbook, just make it smaller and more similar to phone to really put the screws to these greedy bastards.

Edit: As for this it's hard to 'rule' against Apple. People knew they were buying into a closed platform, it's why I don't buy Apple.

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FCC is a waste of resource now.

Soon after Bush came in the FCC was made a political branch of the white house.
They need to bring back the geeks and drop the expensive suits.

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So it got blocked

I use my iPhone for everything, I'm not an apple fan boy at all. I can say the iPhone has brought more people including me into the smartphone market. I would have to say 25% of smartphone users have iPhones of that 25% at least 15% are new to the smartphone market. These people are aged 16 to 30 and have to have the best. Blackberry, winmo phones get google voice even on AT&T yet iPhone can't however of the total iPhone users I would say 75% at least have there phone jailbroken and if google really wanted to stick to AT&T and apple they would have the jailbreaking stuff posted on there site teaching everyone to do it. By the way cydia is estimated to be installed on 1.5 million iPhones would wide so figure it out, Saurik the guy who created cydia has apps that you can buy and run on a jailbroken iPhone including tricking the Phone into thinking it's on wifi even though it's on 3g making it possable to use skype which is availble on iPhone with out the wifi connection google talk to saurik and get your app on cydia I would def use it then

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same old

I find it interesting that some of the comments portray apple as monopoly, it is obvious that apple is protecting their interests. I think the bigger threat is how google is just expanding everywhere. Seems like every other day you hear google how google is expanding their business venture into another sector. I'm surprised they don't build a console.


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They REMOVED 3 Google Voice apps

While Apple was "Thinking Different" about this, THEY REMOVED THREE third party Google Voice apps that were available in the App Store for months. This leaves users stuck with apps they paid for that can no longer be updated.

If the users ask for a refund, Apple gets the total amount from the developer! NICE!

So, I guess this leaves us with a John Kerry moment. Apple rejected it as they are Thinking Different about accepting it and Apple seems to have to think about it for a very long time!

Gee, I "think" it is safe to say that Apple just lied to the FCC and all of its customers! Only pressure will change this.
divinicus
join:2009-01-10
Staten Island, NY

divinicus

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Apple and Google Voice

It serves those who bought into the "iphone hysteria" right, IMHO.

Right now, I have 100% free voice and sms text messages unlimited, anywhere in the USA and Canada, on a modified Android phone. Quality is fast, perfect and stable, with voice mail features that would blow your mind.

Clearly, Apple and AT&T conspired to keep the "iphone stranglehold" on their customers.

Gary Brant
Staten Island, NY