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kudos:4 | Re: fail said by rob316:Apple Tv = Fail At $99 they will sell a ton of them. | |
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| | | | Re: fail The original Apple TV held no interest to me until they figured out hot to hack it. But at $300 I didn't care enough to bother. If they can hack this $100 one I'll be more interested. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: fail There's no hard drive on it. I'm willing to bet this was a concession to the entertainment industry to minimize the usefulness of any AppleTV hacks. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: fail Also to reduce cost, physical size and power draw. | |
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| | | | | | But it still has storage space. it would need it to fit the software it's running at the very least. Hackers have done a lot more with a lot less. | |
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join:2003-05-26
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| said by Romney2012:said by rob316:Apple Tv = Fail At $99 they will sell a ton of them. Why? Roku is superior in every way.
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kudos:4 | Re: fail said by Alcohol:said by Romney2012:said by rob316:Apple Tv = Fail At $99 they will sell a ton of them. Why? Roku is superior in every way. Why? Because it is Apple, of course. They have the marketing shtick down pat and the rep for supporting their products. And there are millions of Apple customers that will buy anything Apple. | |
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kudos:3 Reviews:
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| Re: fail said by Romney2012:Why? Because it is Apple, of course. They have the marketing shtick down pat and the rep for supporting their products. And there are millions of Apple customers that will buy anything Apple. That's true.
They run a pretty nice scam.
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1 edit | Re: fail said by Alcohol:said by Romney2012:Why? Because it is Apple, of course. They have the marketing shtick down pat and the rep for supporting their products. And there are millions of Apple customers that will buy anything Apple. That's true. They run a pretty nice scam. I have a friend and a relative that are true Apple fanatics. The friend has already pre-ordered the Apple TV and the new iPod Touch and the relative the Apple TV. They already have iPhones; iPads; an older iPod Touch; ; older ipod Nano; Macbooks; etc. Jobs has people like this in his pocket. | |
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Jewett City, CT | said by Alcohol:Why? Roku is superior in every way. That's debatable (no AirPlay, no iOS integration, poor music integration, etc) but the big thing is that Apple has excellent retail distribution and advertising. People have to know a product exists before they can be interested in buying it -- and it has to be easy to buy on an impulse not something you have to track down online or at a few select stores. | |
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| |  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
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| said by Romney2012:said by rob316:Apple Tv = Fail At $99 they will sell a ton of them. Roku is $69 now....Yes, it doesnt have the fancy apple on it though. | |
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|  HarleyYacYacoPremium
join:2001-10-13
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kudos:1 | U beat me too it. As soon as I read the first 3 sentences. FAIL is all over it.
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| You give the device too little credit.
It's the smallest, coolest-running home theater box out there, and you can stream content from PCs/Macs/iPod/iPhone/iPad devices as well as via rental.
No, it doesn't do 1080p (too processor-intensive/expensive), nor does it have a hard drive (too big, too expensive, you don't need one anyway if you're streaming). However it's a $100 box that does, oh, 3x-5x what your typical Roku Netflix box does.
I'll be buying one, despite the fact that it doesn't play DVDs, allow you to watch Hulu, or convert into Optimus Prime with the pres of a button. | |
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Washington, DC | Re: fail I don't see a huge edge over roku here. Both have their pros and cons.
AppleTV allows local streaming from iTunes and iPods.
Roku allows for higher resolution, lets you buy movies via amazon instead of just renting them via iTunes and costs less.
Both are solid products, but I don't think that either has a definitive edge. | |
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join:2007-02-19
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kudos:2 | Re: fail Didn't know that Roku supported 1080p or Unbox... | |
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Washington, DC | Re: fail Actually I made a mistake there. The $99 model they have now is GETTING an update for this according to their site, but it doesn't have this feature yet and the cheaper units may not get this. | |
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| said by chimera:Roku allows for higher resolution, lets you buy movies via amazon instead of just renting them via iTunes and costs less. The worst issue with Amazon and streaming of purchased (NOT rentals) movies is that brand new releases often go into "blackout" and cannot be viewed unless they were downloaded. Movies will usually come out of blackout and be available in your video library, but there is no streaming access during blackout. | |
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join:2001-09-03
Grandville, MI | So I can't stream content online I purchase on itunes only if I stream it from a local box downloaded first? Only renting? | |
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join:2007-02-19
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kudos:2 | Re: fail Not quite sure. You can stream purchased content from the iPad though, seems like...via AirPlay. | |
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| | | | | said by trebzon:So I can't stream content online I purchase on itunes only if I stream it from a local box downloaded first? Only renting? You can stream videos you've already purchased.
But apparently, according to the wording anyway, as of iTunes 10, Apple is no longer offering TV or movie purchases, only rentals from this point on.
So if you've got old content you own purchased through iTunes or compatible with iTunes, then you can stream that to the new AppleTV.
But any future content you get through iTunes is rental only. | |
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join:2001-03-28
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kudos:1 Reviews:
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| said by iansltx:You give the device too little credit. It's the smallest, coolest-running home theater box out there, and you can stream content from PCs/Macs/iPod/iPhone/iPad devices as well as via rental. That's all true.
No, it doesn't do 1080p (too processor-intensive/expensive), nor does it have a hard drive (too big, too expensive, you don't need one anyway if you're streaming). However it's a $100 box that does, oh, 3x-5x what your typical Roku Netflix box does. 1080p isn't too processor intensive. The A4/Hummingbird processor can handle that easily. It's just too much bandwidth for your standard internet connection to stream. That's why most (all?) of the Xbox360's movies are 720p also.
I'll be buying one, despite the fact that it doesn't play DVDs, allow you to watch Hulu, or convert into Optimus Prime with the pres of a button.
And this is my big problem with the device. Once again, it's simply heavily tied into iTunes to make it another easy way to get money for Apple. It's $99 because Apple knows they'll make a boatload on rentals. It doesn't play Divx/xvid/mkv. Everything must be converted or transcoded. No access to Hulu. Or Amazon VOD. Quite literally, it's only saving grace is that it has access to Netflix. If it didn't, AppleTV would be 100% total fail. Now it's just about 60% fail.
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| Re: fail The system has access to YouTube, Flickr and MobileMe as well. Also, if you're getting Divx/xvid/mkv videos (where are you getting those fro?) you likely have the expertise to convert them into H.264, which works great on the Apple TV.
There's also the fact that a significant number of people using the new AppleTV will never have come across a divx/xvid/mkv video, ever.
As for Hulu, that's Hulu's problem as much as anyone's (you'd need a Hulu Plus subscription to allow big-screen-device viewing) and on the Amazon side, do you *really* think that Apple would assist their single largest competitor in the space on this one? Remember, Kindle competes with iBooks, AmazonMP3 competes with iTunes, Unbox competes with iTunes. You're dealing with Apple here, not Boxee. | |
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kudos:12 | said by iansltx:You give the device too little credit. It's the smallest, coolest-running home theater box out there, and you can stream content from PCs/Macs/iPod/iPhone/iPad devices as well as via rental. No, it doesn't do 1080p (too processor-intensive/expensive), nor does it have a hard drive (too big, too expensive, you don't need one anyway if you're streaming). However it's a $100 box that does, oh, 3x-5x what your typical Roku Netflix box does. I'll be buying one, despite the fact that it doesn't play DVDs, allow you to watch Hulu, or convert into Optimus Prime with the pres of a button. Unfortunately, there are tons of devices that do more, are smaller, and can play 1080p content. My Seagate Hometheater+ HD for example ... | |
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kudos:2 | Re: fail Nope. It's larger  | |
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Raleigh, NC | It's a HOBBY. Because Apple can afford to have hobby products that other companies can not. | |
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|  ParogadiWhat? Stop Looking At Me Like ThatPremium
join:2003-03-31
Racine, WI | Useless pos, would much rather have it rolled into the mini for a half decent non gaming HTPC. | |
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1 edit | Re: fail said by Parogadi:Useless pos, would much rather have it rolled into the mini for a half decent non gaming HTPC. Then buy a mini?
With HDMI it's a pretty easy and simple setup.
That's what I don't get.
It seems when people criticize the Apple TV for being less than a Mac mini, they forget that the Mac mini already exists.
They're right. The mini is a great HTPC as it is.
So buy it.
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| said by gattaca:said by Parogadi:Useless pos, would much rather have it rolled into the mini for a half decent non gaming HTPC. Then buy a mini? With HDMI it's a pretty easy and simple setup. That's what I don't get. It seems when people criticize the Apple TV for being less than a Mac mini, they forget that the Mac mini already exists. They're right. The mini is a great HTPC as it is. So buy it. You pretty much have in mind what Apple has in mind gat:
To create products that are tiered in price which perform differently as your needs for them increase or decrease.
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
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kudos:4 | said by rob316:Apple Tv = Fail long as it has a apple logo on it there will be people that will buy even though there are better options out there.
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| | | | Re: fail said by dvd536:long as it has a apple logo on it there will be people that will buy even though there are better options out there. As long as it has an Apple logo on it, there will be people that hate on it without regards to its functionality. | |
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Lagrange, GA | Failed... It will fail with this model. I mean, a subscription service for unlimited access is what I would rather pay to view television shows and movies....oh yeah Netflix. | |
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join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA Reviews:
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| Huh? Steve Jobs took a Roku and put it in a translucent turqoise wrapper, and called it Apple TV.
Apple fails, miserably, again. Well, they don't even get to fail, since this is a non-starter.
To paraphrase Slick Willie, "Its the content, stupid."
If they weren't able to get the networks to the table, and they can't give us $1 movies and $.25-.50 episodes, it ain't gonna fly, Wilbur. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Huh? You can get 25¢ to 50¢ episodes and $1 movies...where?
Yes, I know about Redbox. This is cheaper than a Blu-Ray player. | |
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| | | Indeed. Because their line of laptops, portable music players and phones has only caused the company not only to become massively profitable, but achieve a market capitalization greater than nearly all of its peers. But yes, another in a long long string of failures.
Given the right programming deals, this thing has the potential to disrupt the hell out of the way people pay for TV. For the masses who are sharp enough to have figured out that they're paying $70 a month for a few channels, this could be the key to ala carte programming.
As it is, there are not too many boxes that have a good interface for Netflix that sell for $99. A Tivo Premiere will set you back $300, and a decent Blu Ray player is on the order of $150.
Of course, it'll wither on the vine as everything Apple does is a failure. | |
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| | 720p...WTF? I thought about buying one for my other TV to connect to my Netflix account so I did not have to pay $300 for another Xbox, but since it can't do 1080p...well, that ended that thought. | |
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| | worthless cant play any of the internet codecs... once again you're tied to itunes... booo | |
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| | | Re: worthless That's the big problem with all these thing, how about a flash player?? | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | H.264 isn't an internet codec?
What do you think this is, Boxee? | |
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| jsz0Premium
join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT | MP4/H264 is pretty mainstream these days. Ask your favorite piracy groups to start distributing content in it. | |
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 SkellBasherYes Sorto, I'll take my Prozac
join:2000-10-22
Niagara Falls, NY | Not a failure While plenty of us are aware of the Roku and other similar options, plenty of people aren't.
This fits into the Apple ecosystem of devices quite well. They have iTunes on your computer, in your pocket, and now on your TV. In the Apple world of products, it just fits.
There are still techie people that understand the limitations and negative aspects of this, and all Apple products. There's still plenty of people out there that don't, and those are the people that will pay for this.
I would guess it does better than the original ATV. | |
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| | | Re: Not a failure said by SkellBasher:While plenty of us are aware of the Roku and other similar options, plenty of people aren't. This fits into the Apple ecosystem of devices quite well. They have iTunes on your computer, in your pocket, and now on your TV. In the Apple world of products, it just fits. There are still techie people that understand the limitations and negative aspects of this, and all Apple products. There's still plenty of people out there that don't, and those are the people that will pay for this. I would guess it does better than the original ATV. Most blu-ray players have netflix streaming already. This has to few features to compare to other products. | |
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| | SkellBasherYes Sorto, I'll take my Prozac
join:2000-10-22
Niagara Falls, NY | Re: Not a failure I know that it does. I can Netflix stream on my PS3, XBox, and Wii in addition to my computer.
My point is that Apple isn't targeting the people who know better. They're targeting the people that don't. For those people, this fills a niche. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| I don't have a Blu-Ray player.
The Wii hooks up to my TV with composite. No HD.
I could do the same exact thing with an HTPC or the like...except this one makes a Mac mini look overweight, uses 6W of power (I think the PS3 is like 50x that) and costs $100. | |
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| | Total FAIL ...yet the lemmings will go for it... hey it has the rounded "corners" and the cute logo... | |
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: Total FAIL Explain the fail?
Let's look at power usage on this thing...at 10 cents per kWh, comparing this (6W) to a PS3 (170W according to »www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/rev···56-3.htm), and taking into account usage for three hours per day, you save about $18 per year in electricity. Not a ton, but that assumes you're using the thing for only ~20 hours per week.
Anyway, what were your issues with this, assuming someone doesn't have a Blu-Ray player with fancy features, and doesn't want to keep their XBox or PS3 running just to stream media? | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: Disappointed Keep the Boxee.
As for iOS, that system is optimized for a touch interface. Android is better optimized for five-way nav than iOS is (iOS devices don't have 5-way nav) so Google TV, plus a big honking keyboard-mouse-remote thingy, works better as an extension of Android.
Different markets, different products. | |
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join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX | WIN saw too many people saying fail in here. need some win.
For a 100 bucks what do you expect? | |
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| dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: WIN said by Duramax08:saw too many people saying fail in here. need some win. For a 100 bucks what do you expect? look at WD's $74 offering that can do waaaaay more than this and isn't locked to itunes and does 1080P!
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| | I don't see why all the hate If it'll play whatever I've got sitting on my media server, it's all good
1080p would have been nice, but I can see this little box hiding in a little nook in the kitchen, or in the bedroom and feeding a smaller screen nicely | |
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| | | Re: I don't see why all the hate said by Tikker_LoS:If it'll play whatever I've got sitting on my media server, it's all good 1080p would have been nice, but I can see this little box hiding in a little nook in the kitchen, or in the bedroom and feeding a smaller screen nicely But it won't play all that. A simple device like WDTV WILL play 99% of your media on your media server, or from a USB drive. | |
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Mobile, AL | No browser? How hard would it have been to throw in a browser and offer an optional wireless keyboard?
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| what does this add? TVs, BD Players, game consoles; they all do this plus more, and everybody already has at least one of these. Who really wants another BOX that doesn't really add something to the mix? I wouldn't plug it in if they gave me one for free. Seems like just another Roku player w/ an Apple logo on it. Big deal. | |
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| | | WIN X2 Already got mine ordered. You can't really go wrong for $99. That is the price or one or two meals out for the family. I wish I could create devices that FAILed as much as Apple's do according to you idiots - because I would be filthy rich. | |
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San Francisco, CA | Re: WIN X2 Thanks for voting for an underpowerd, piece of shit! Apple knows who its fanboys are... | |
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| | Hooking up to TV - I'd pay £99 for the convenience of that As far as people knocking this device, I guess some people will knock anything Apple bring out. Whereas some of us will love everything they bring out, call me a fanboy, but I think it's purely a lifestyle choice. Exactly why you love some cars (automobiles to US viewers and hate others. They are all designed and targeted at a specific market - if you hate it then it's clearly not targeted at you.
As far as functionality, someone above hit the nail on the head, it fills a niche.
I have my whole download library on my laptop and I'm continually hooking it and unhooking it to my HD TV - pain in the butt. To be able to have this plugged into my TV all the time and then just have my laptop or desktop hooked up to it via my WiFi network sounds like a plan to me.
It supports optical audio and HDMI, all I need to hook it into my surround sound receiver, stick it behind the TV and forget about it.
If you already have a decent solution then you stick with that, for me, this is perfect and exactly what I need to right now. | |
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join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1 | As an owner of the AppleTV Mark I Things I like about the new AppleTV
- Faster processor
- Wireless N and Ethernet Ports
- Netflix and YouTube support
- Price point
Things I am just not sure about yet on the new AppleTV
- How good is the buffer on this thing for streaming?
- Lack of clarity about using apps on the new AppleTV.
- Lack of clarity over whether the old AppleTV will see some iOS love.
Things I don't really like about the new AppleTV
- It's only 720p (okay for now I guess)
- It only supports MP4 movie format.
- It still depends 100% on itunes and itunes is a nightmare to install on Windows Home Server Machines
Apple could really be a player in this niche if they wanted so its disappointing to see such a lackluster attempt. Forget the TV shows, just movies purchases, rentals and gaming could make this a smash hit. As it is, other players offer a little more bang for the buck I think.
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| | nope A WDTV Live is 100 bucks and has two usb ports for hard drives, 1080p, and streams all my MKV movies from my nas drive....
Apple TV = FAIL! | |
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| | | Re: nope And 1080p gets you exactly what on internet streamed content that's 480p?
I thought so. | |
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| | dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: nope said by clickie:And 1080p gets you exactly what on internet streamed content that's 480p? I thought so. And streamed 1080P content on a device that can't even do 1080P?
I thought so.
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| said by clickie:And 1080p gets you exactly what on internet streamed content that's 480p? Because nobody will ever want to stream locally stored 1080p content from their iTunes library... ever. | |
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join:2004-08-30
Newark, OH | Disappointing event The whole event today was disappointing. I can't believe the new Apple TV can't do 1080p and where's the Gigabit output? Their pricing model for rentals is still crappy too.
The new iPods are not impressive either. Still no 3G iPod Touch and they took features away from the Nano (no more video) and the prices on all models are at or higher than previous rev costs. They should focus on bring costs down and adding 3G with no-contract required to all model.
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Jewett City, CT | Re: Disappointing event Why would it need a gigabit ethernet port? Even multiple simultaneous 1080P video streams wouldn't require gigabit speeds. | |
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join:2004-11-07
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| said by Dryvlyne:The whole event today was disappointing. I can't believe the new Apple TV can't do 1080p and where's the Gigabit output? Their pricing model for rentals is still crappy too. The new iPods are not impressive either. Still no 3G iPod Touch and they took features away from the Nano (no more video) and the prices on all models are at or higher than previous rev costs. They should focus on bring costs down and adding 3G with no-contract required to all model. What do you need gigabit for? It doesn't have local storage and everything will be streamed to it. 100mbs is more than enough to stream a high bitrate HD content with no stuttering. My media players do it every day with 1080P24 content from high bitrate BD ISOs. they are using 100mbs connections and I have no stuttering. | |
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| Roku, A Better Value The Roku box easily kicks this thing's butt in every area except marketing......
Roku's greatest advantage is possibly the fact that it's "open" and good channels are being developed quickly. Newscaster and YouTube are both channels that work well and are free. Local streaming is also possible and again, free.
Roku's greatest disadvantage is strictly in how their product is marketed. Who knows that could possibly change with time. They have had a price drop and they have announced 1080p video output via HDMI so the Roku could be the winner, anything is possible. | |
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| | Win in my book It uses Itunes which mean I do not have to pay $9.00 subscription fee month for a long periods of times when I not watch TV. I rather pay $1.99 for when I feel like watching something | |
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join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | Re: Win in my book What hasn't been talked about much is the iTV lets you do Pod, and Vodcasts Yes I know you can already run 'casts on other Apple devices but being able to view a vodcast on a much larger screen would be really nice. With the thousands of Vodcasts in iTunes land just that would, in My book, make the $100 bucks worth it.
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kudos:1 | Fox and ABC show rental price on iTunes: $0.99
Fox and ABC show purchase price on Amazon Video on Demand: $0.99 | |
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| | Roku FTW Looks like Roku are getting some stuff before the cable channels are(HBO, STARZ, Max, and Encore
/Watching Star Trek, G.I Joe, and Crank 2 before it hit my Comcast cable premium channels | |
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| | I'm usually an Apple fanatic And I think the usual PC line of attack (for cheaper, I can get a product that's more flexible) is wrong, since Apple products are usually so much better at the narrow slice of things they do than the competition. After a decade of Apple success, tech pundits still overlook the values of specialization, simplicity, design, and ease of use.
Here, though, Apple's limitations cut you off from sources of content.
Every TV box needs a browser--a full-featured, complete browser. Kylo shows that you can control a browser very easily from 10 feet away.
You can't depend on "apps" to save the day, no matter how "open" you are (Boxee), and you can't depend on the manufacturer getting around to supporting your desired source of content.
So, with the Apple TV I'm cut off from most of the over-the-top content that's out there--and I can't access media that's stored on a NAS drive--you can only stream from a computer running iTunes. I have an Airport Extreme with 3 hard drives attached to it precisely to keep from having to keep my iMac switched on all the time.
For $200 you can get a small PC that runs a full operating system and outputs 1080p over HDMI. You do need to spend a few bucks more for appropriate input devices (I used an Adesso wireless keyboard + trackpad; the Loop is also nice), but this is still reasonable considering that you get vastly more capabilities.
You can even use a PC as a DVR.
I can run XBMC (or even Boxee) on it, play emulated games, and access every single source of online content. Don't have to wait for Apple to create an option for Funny or Die.
More and more, I think the future of the web on TV is not some curated experience, but the full openness of the web. | |
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| Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | Re: I'm usually an Apple fanatic said by jhn :
More and more, I think the future of the web on TV is not some curated experience, but the full openness of the web.
While I fully agree with your statement, it is the worst nightmare of the greedy content providers. | |
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| | | You don't need a keyboard and mouse do you?
That's the Apple interface advantage... make it easy to use so anyone can plug it in and not think about hardware. | |
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