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united kingd | get ready for the wireless deluge | |
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| | a $1000 system with a 2 year forced data plan whats next Ima a $1000 system with a 2 year forced data plan whats next Imac's , mac books / pros , minis , and mac pros with forced ones as well at the same price.
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| AVonGaussPremium
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Boynton Beach, FL | Re: a $1000 system with a 2 year forced data plan whats next Ima Who said anything about a data plan being required? | |
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join:2005-05-17 | Re: a $1000 system with a 2 year forced data plan whats next Ima It's just a guess, based on Verizon Wireless's recent track record. And probably a good guess. I doubt VZW cares enough about not getting my business that they'd change their mind about mandatory data plans now. | |
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| | | | | Re: a $1000 system with a 2 year forced data plan whats next Ima All cell phone companies need to just issue a mandatory $60 a month fee for each user to have unlimited use of their network across any device they want. The idea of minutes/text plans are simply ridiculous when a $30 a month data plan uses exponentially more bandwidth. | |
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| |  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
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kudos:4 | said by AVonGauss:Who said anything about a data plan being required? Read full WSJ article here:
»www.google.com/url?q=http://onli···hatsNews
Mr. Doherty doesn't expect the device to be connected to a high-speed 3G cellular network, especially after AT&T, which is the U.S. carrier for Apple's iPhone, has had trouble supporting the high data demands of iPhone users. "We don't think the networks are up to it," Mr. Doherty said.
AT&T and Verizon Wireless declined to comment. Sounds like no 3G access for device included in price. But WiFi access to hotspots may be.
But another analyst disagrees:
Richard Doherty, director of technology at the consulting firm Envisioneering Group, told the Wall Street Journal that he doesn't expect the tablet to connect a 3G network, in large part because of the high-profile problems AT&T, Apple's exclusive U.S. carrier for the iPhone, has had keeping up with data demand. "We don't think the networks are up to it," Doherty told the newspaper.
Marshall disagreed. "The tablet will connect to 3G," he said, "not just wireless [hotspots]."
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| | | | | Re: a $1000 system with a 2 year forced data plan whats next Ima if it wasn't going to use 3G why the hell would verizon even sell it, verizon wireless is a cellular phone wireless data company, they dont sell computers, netbooks, or apple tablet to just sell it, they sell it because it will be able to work on there network. if you buy one from apple, it will be like the iphone 300+ depending on the model, or if you buy from at&t you get a special price because at&t pays apple the difference, which is how they can lock you in to the 2 year contract, they have to make that money back. If verizon sells the tablet in there stores and you pay 1000 for it, a mandatory dataq plan will be required, just like with the netbook special they have, you get the netbook free, but you have to agree to the 2 year contract. Oh and they still have the 5gb a month cap too. | |
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| jus10
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| Where does it say forced? It says it "will work with" which makes sense. Forcing a data plan on yet another device will certainly kill the device. Especially since if I had one, I'd just want to tether it to my iPhone ... oh wait I can't do that because AT&T is full of FAIL.
I agree that a forced data plan completely kills the device. So does a $1K pricetag. I could see maybe $600. It also depends what level of customization the tablet offers. If I can really install my own apps (without some AppStore BS) then I could be tempted. If I'm stuck using god-awful safari locked to Google as my search engine ... no thanks. | |
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i just really hope that it turns out to be a multi-touch version of OSX. That'd be cool. I don't need an oversized iPod... or another data contract with verizon  | |
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| | double as a phone? It will be nice if instead of signing up for an extra data plan, I can just pull out my SIM card and plug into this device so I can use it also as a phone plus use the data plan I already have with my phone. It seems lame if I have to pay for extra data plan for every single new 3G device that I buy, unless the carriers will offer an unlimited devices data plan. | |
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|  JSYPremium
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Elmhurst, NY | Re: double as a phone? That's one of the main reasons why I personally don't do Verizon - because you can't do something like this.
I have to agree that it's screwed up that people who are already paying for the iPhone data plan need to pony up for another plan for this - but not sure how else you'd do it. | |
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1 edit | You don't wanna know. You can bet your next 12 paychecks that a data plan will be forced on users of the Tablet by which ever carrier they use. The carriers have used this setup in the past and they are in no position to provide the billing/meter data needed to allow users to "pay-as-you-go" for data consumption. It's SO much simpler to require the 5GB plan (or whatever) and more profitable!
Personally I don't wanna know what "other" plans the carriers would dream up for Tablet users. The "new" 15GB monthly plan for the low price of 119.00 a month??!! Sorry, but that's not out of the realm of possibilities with these yahoos. Wireless carriers are probably the one technical service area where instead of services growing cheaper, they get more expensive! Reverse time-warp! Welcome to the 80's!
But really, this thing has FAIL written all over it. Unjustifiably high price (compared to other netbook, laptop and PDA devices) probably a bastard cross between OSx and the iPhone OS making app purchases and upgrades nightmarish and then the limitation the wireless carriers will impose on either the device or their networks to limit the device capabilities in some way.
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| mobbo
join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX | Re: You don't wanna know. Exactly... if they expect to charge over $1,000 for this thing, I'm predicting failure. I could see a similar device not made by Apple (maybe Google) with all the gesturing functionality and an open-source marketplace at a price-point of $350 - $400 doing very well. Android isn't dominating by any means, but it has shown that the functionality of the iPhone is not exclusive to an Apple product, especially when you have a better carrier and more to pick from. | |
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b10010011Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA Reviews:
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| Tablets are a failure. They are too big to be portable and lacking a real keyboard makes them not really useful for much beyond a few nitch apps.
I am sure a few Apple fan boys will stand in line the day before release to buy one, but at $1000 it is doomed.
For $1000 I could buy three or four netbooks or TEN Kindle's...   | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Tablets are a failure. said by b10010011:For $1000 I could buy three or four netbooks or TEN Kindle's... But you don't get Apple's legendary tech support with a Kindle. | |
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Willow Spring, NC | said by b10010011:They are too big to be portable and lacking a real keyboard makes them not really useful for much beyond a few nitch apps. I am sure a few Apple fan boys will stand in line the day before release to buy one, but at $1000 it is doomed. For $1000 I could buy three or four netbooks or TEN Kindle's... It's funny because quite a few people said the same thing about the iPhone. | |
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Bellingham, WA | Re: Tablets are a failure. The Iphone is small enough to fit in a pocket, and it IS a phone after all.
But you will never see me with one for two reasons.
I-tunes and AT&T  | |
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| | | said by b10010011:They are too big to be portable and lacking a real keyboard makes them not really useful for much beyond a few nitch apps. I am sure a few Apple fan boys will stand in line the day before release to buy one, but at $1000 it is doomed. For $1000 I could buy three or four netbooks or TEN Kindle's... Sounds like the same thing people were saying when the iPod was released in 2001. It sounds even more like what people said when Apple released the first iPhone. Now, with hindsight, no reasonable individual would deny that Apple has had a huge impact in both the music and mobile phone industry.
History suggests that we should not be doubting Apple's ability to release a product that changes everything.
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| | b10010011Whats a Posting tag?
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| Re: Tablets are a failure. said by gattaca:History suggests that we should not be doubting Apple's ability to release a product that changes everything. What about AppleTV? | |
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| | | | | Re: Tablets are a failure. said by b10010011:said by gattaca:History suggests that we should not be doubting Apple's ability to release a product that changes everything. What about AppleTV? A good point for sure, but I would argue that it is an exception to the rule. Touché, nonetheless. 
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| Re: Tablets are a failure. said by gattaca:said by b10010011:said by gattaca:History suggests that we should not be doubting Apple's ability to release a product that changes everything. What about AppleTV? A good point for sure, but I would argue that it is an exception to the rule. Touché, nonetheless. Remember the Lisa?  | |
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Baton Rouge, LA | We shall see One thing is for sure. It will be interesting to see what Apple has come up with. Given Apple's dominance in the MP3 Player/Cell Phone arena it goes without saying that they could pull something like this off.
Personally, I have always been pretty uninterested in the whole Apple/Mac thing but lately my tune has changed since I have had a chance to use some of their stuff.
My wife recently got an I-Phone and I have to say, it's a pretty cool and useful device. My mother recently got a 21 inch I-Mac and she seems to love it. I played around with it for 10 minutes or so and found it to be rather nice.
Should be fun to see what happens at least.
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1 edit | It's called... an ExpressCard All it needs is an ExpressCard slot and carriers having the card as an option for customers. If not then you'd need the usb dongle.
The volumes wouldn't be high enough on a device like this to pay for itself if there was a carrier lock in on all of them. This isn't a phone and the only way for Apple to sell the iPhone in the volume they have achieved is to be partnered with carriers where a lock-in can be achieved that keeps the carriers happy and accommodating.
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| slimtim
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Coldwater, MI | Re: It's called... an ExpressCard How many people wanna lay bets on Non-User replaceable batteries? | |
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| | ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC | Re: It's called... an ExpressCard said by slimtim:How many people wanna lay bets on Non-User replaceable batteries? That's a given. They'll want to make it as thin as possible which is only possible today with a custom sealed unit. | |
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| | it's not even worth speculating I'm an At&t dealer and my rep that visits dealer stores gave me the news 2 months ago (october) that At&t signed the contract with Apple for the tablet / netbook. What does that really mean? I guess we have to wait for the official announcement from apple. | |
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b10010011Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA | Is this going to do anything new or just a big iPod Touch? Wondering because tablet PC's have already proven to be a market failure... | |
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| ifarrell
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Willow Spring, NC | Re: Is this going to do anything new or just a big iPod Touch? said by b10010011:Wondering because tablet PC's have already proven to be a market failure... Perhaps they were marketed wrong or bad timing or maybe seen as too costly for what they did. I really never saw many except on TV shows or the odd magazine ad. Nobody seemed to of heavily advertised these things. | |
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| | | said by b10010011:Wondering because tablet PC's have already proven to be a market failure... Tablet PCs failed for the same reasons the video phone failed: Not enough exposure, flawed marketing strategies.
A lot of these devices are attempting to bank off of Star Trek. Well, what works on the TV screen doesn't translate well offline, especially with prices the way they are. In the case of the video phone people are just ashamed of the way they look, is all.
All that said, I think tablet PCs will eventually end up like laptops...some might be too young to recall when laptops were upwards of $3k, and only the business sorts could afford one. It wasn't until Dell and HP started going at it, really, that prices started to come down. My issue with tablet PCs is that they really shouldn't be in the thousands of dollars at all. The component parts coupled with the best Atom processor (which should be more than sufficient) should put the device at around $500-$700 at the most. There's too much profit in them now, and we all know Apple can't resist padding tons of profit into theirs, under the guise of superior quality. | |
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