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2008-Jul-8 4:54 pm
Not buying one?Whining > Thinking | |
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Matt3
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2008-Jul-8 4:54 pm
Ha haSteve Jobs doesn't care about anything but how he can make a buck. | |
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Re: Ha haLOL - Oh How Evil He Is To Want To Make A Dollar$. | |
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Re: Ha hasaid by firewire9999:LOL - Oh How Evil He Is To Want To Make A Dollar$. Same could be said about Bill Gates. Yes I went there. | |
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Re: Ha haWoah woah...lets not go treading that territory... | |
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Yes but people get all upset if it's Gates. Jobs is a tool who loves his little cult following. Oh and I love how he goes on and on about originality and how they were "pioneers" and that MS stole their ideas from Apple. Their entire GUI was based on IP theft from, you guessed it, Steve Jobs. Wonder how Xerox feels about Apple...... | |
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Re: Ha haso where is that Xerox OS you are talking about again? | |
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Re: Ha haIt's no secret that Jobs got the GUI bug when we went to PARC to see their goodies.
And if you want to base innovation on how many copies of an OS gets sold then MS owns everyone.
Apple took the GUI and brought it to the desktop. Gates obviously saw the writing on the wall after seeing Apple's work and used what he saw to develop Windows.
True ground up innovation is very rare. Most consumer revolutions come from someone who was smart enough to take existing elements and combine them in a way that could be considered innovative.
Just like proportional typefaces. Microsoft was actually working on it a year before the Mac came out (and Xerox long before that) but the Mac combined proportional typefaces with their printer and the Macs bitmapped screen...an "innovation" in affordable personal desktop publishing. | |
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Re: Ha haWhat everyone is missing, is that Xerox threw everything away.
Ethernet, the GUI, the Laser printer, Object Oriented Programming, thats just to name a few.
Imagine what Xerox would be today if they hadn't just dismissed those technologies?
Don't blame Jobs or the WOZ for seeing an idea and running with it. | |
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Re: Ha haThat's the thing. Even if they tried to do somethign with it...did they have the 'art' in them to actually apply these brilliant technologies into something consumer oriented?
We've seen through recent PC history (mid-70's on) great ideas that flopped because they were poorly applied. | |
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en102
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2008-Jul-8 7:43 pm
Re: Ha haRight - anyone remeber the Commodore Amiga?
Basically cross between PC, Mac and Unix. Since it was never sold as a proper business machine, and more of a 'game' device, it flopped. | |
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Re: Ha haOn a more minor scale, OS-9 on the TRS-80 Color Computer was awesome, multi-user, multi-tasking, very powerful but on a weak selling computer in a saturated market...it didn't sell well. Much like the Newton, it was just way ahead of its time. | |
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N3OGH
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2008-Jul-8 9:38 pm
Re: Ha haI love how the discussions of today's computer environment heads down the road of geekdom it does here at BBR. All of you pretty much hit the nail on the head as far as the origins of modern computer interfaces goes. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing I'm not the only geek in the world with this information tucked safely in the back of my brain. I'm going to go boot my Apple II+ and run some BASIC programs, just for old time's sake  | |
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Re: Ha hasaid by N3OGH:I love how the discussions of today's computer environment heads down the road of geekdom it does here at BBR. You would think they have pron to download, huh? | |
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to Dogfather
In case you didn't know, Apple licensed the concept from Xerox, whereas Microsoft did not and just up and copied it. Also, Xerox had absolutely no plans to use anything they were coming up with at the time. | |
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Re: Ha hasaid by yabos:In case you didn't know, Apple licensed the concept from Xerox, whereas Microsoft did not and just up and copied it. Also, Xerox had absolutely no plans to use anything they were coming up with at the time. Huh? Xerox had Alto features in the Star 8010 (incl. full Alto GUI, lots of RAM, 40MB HDD, 2 button mousing, ethernet, email, etc) which came out in '81, long before the Mac and Win 1.0. But like Lisa, it was super expensive ($17K) and failed in the marketplace. Xerox absolutely tried to market their GUI born from the Alto. It was an amazing machine, but few could afford it. Even the Lisa wouldn't come out for another 2 years. And from what I understand Microsoft had licensed elements of the 8010 from Xerox. MS also had licensing of Mac OS elements and Apple of future Windows elements, that from the Nov. 1985 agreement with Sculley. Everyone copied, no one stole. | |
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said by Matt3:Steve Jobs doesn't care about anything but how he can make a buck. Except when he can't get a buck. He probably already got some $$ from carriers but if no one is buying the phones that means no itunes, apps or electronic sales of any kind. | |
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said by Matt3:Steve Jobs doesn't care about anything but how he can make a buck. Like you don't. | |
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| KearnstdSpace Elf
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with caps like those hes better off not making those bucks because people wont even be able to use the primary features. | |
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General Electric believe it or not once did computers and they dismissed them as they wernt light bulbs or stoves. many people say if GE had kept its full force behind computers that it would be GE as the big player in big iron and not IBM. | |
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Re: Ha haThere's certainly a lot of sore asses in these corporate giants (from kicking themselves). | |
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2008-Jul-8 7:30 pm
Re: Ha haWhat about AT&T? They only agreed to give up the local telephone operating companies out of a hope of getting into the computer business- which didn't really last too long. | |
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Where is Canda?"Apple never planned to sell the iPhone 3G at its retail locations in Canda" Someone needs to use spellchecker  | |
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Re: Where is Canda?These are bloggers, enough said! | |
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Re: Where is Canda?No no, Canaduh is what's norte. | |
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Re: Where is Canda?Isn't that country a communist country? | |
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Re: Where is Canda?Its well on its way to being one. Just give it a couple more years. | |
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2008-Jul-8 5:26 pm
Slap Some Horns....On that sucker!
Kind of looks like Karl's Evil Twin! | |
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Apple = SonyApple is acting exactly like Sony : back in the 80's, Apple always priced its Mac way too high and refused 2 stores in the same market. That's why it lost against the PC.
Sony lost with Beta but still didn't understand some basics principles : it still prices its Blu-Ray way too high.
Consumers will buy other similar but much cheapers goods. | |
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Re: Apple = SonyBlu-Ray players are no more expensive than DVD players were when they first came out. Hell, a PS3 gives you a good player for 400 bucks. The media is expensive but, again, so were DVDs when they were released. Since the end of the little format war the price on many BluRay moves has started to drop. It will be in normal range soon. | |
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|  dadkinsCan you do Blu?
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BDA - Blu-ray Disc Association. » www.blu-raydisc.com/en/a ··· ies.htmlBlu-ray is not solely Sony.  BTW, there is no similar, cheaper products comparable to Blu-ray. HD DVD died, remember?  My first DVD player... that was one of those $600 - $700(more? Been a while) things - back when a dollar was worth something. | |
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there's a few other things affecting slow bluray sales like the pricing of higher-end (read: bigger) flat screens. even with more movies getting put out in better quality blu-ray (the first ones were barely better than regular dvd's) most people still need a tv of around 50" or bigger to hear/see a difference between bluray and an upconverting DVD player.
and most people aren't quite ready to buy the same movies that they only recently "owned today on dvd" in bluray. | |
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|  gattaca
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to BellACancer
That depends on how you define success. Seriously though, I would argue that gaining the most marketshare is not necessarily indicative of "winning." In that sense, Camry's and Tauruses triumph big time over BMWs and Mercedes. | |
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So, in other words, the little story that couldn't ?You have to love when facts deflate "conspiracy theories" like this one. | |
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2008-Jul-9 5:08 am
:(Apple sucks,
Rogers sucks,
but on good note Rogers stock fell nearly 10% with news of this "fight" | |
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2008-Jul-9 10:50 am
The most interestingpart of this article - for me - is that 'Fanboy' is now part of Merriam-Webster's dictionary.
"Brand Idealism" indeed.
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2008-Jul-9 11:54 am
Robbers listened -- sort of...Rogers caves to complains, unveils new data planquote:
Bowing to public pressure, Rogers Wireless Inc. has opted to slash its data fees as the launch of the iPhone draws near.
Customers who purchase an iPhone and sign up for a three-year contract any time between July 11 – when the device goes on sale – and the end of August will be eligible for a $30-per-month data plan giving them access to 6-Gigabytes of data. Rogers previously had charged $100 for a 6-GB plan...
The special plan is available not just to iPhone customers, but any Rogers customer with a 3G next-generation smart phone.
“We listened to our customers, everybody from those who are very tech savvy to those who just knew they wanted this device and were really enthusiastic and didn't know how they were going to use the data but knew it was a data device,” Rogers spokeswoman Liz Hamilton said.
“So this will give them a great opportunity.”
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TELCEL in MEXICO is worstTHEY OFFER 3 PLANS... THE CHEAPEST
50.00 DLS a Month GETS YOU:
200 minutes
100MB of DATA, but it's MB in Ad's, and Mb in Billing.
100 SMS
The Phones Cost:
8GB is 297Dlls
16GB 400 Dlls
For 60Dlls a Month you get
300 Minutes
150MB Data
150 SMS
The Phone Cost are:
8GB 188 Dlls.
16GB: 297Dlls
For 80Dlls a Month
400 Minutes
200MB Data
200 SMS
Notes:
Does not include Taxes...
Only thing is you do not get to pay for incoming calls.
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THEY OFFER 3 PLANS... THE CHEAPEST
50.00 dolar a Month GETS YOU:
200 minutes
100MB of DATA, but it's MB in Ad's, and Mb in Billing.
100 SMS
The Phones Cost:
8GB is $297.
16GB is $400.
For $60 a Month you get
300 Minutes
150MB Data
150 SMS
The Phone Cost are:
8GB: $188.
16GB: $297.
For $80 a Month
400 Minutes
200MB Data
200 SMS
Phones are:
8GB $77
16GB $187
With 2 Year Contract/Commitment
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Does not include Taxes...
Only thing is you do not get to pay for incoming calls.
unless you are roaming out of you're City Area.
Exchane Rates are about 10.20 - 10.30 Per Dolar depends on the day so substact from 1-3 Dolars per plan/equipment | |
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Re: TELCEL in MEXICO is worstWhich currency is that in, though? CAD, I presume?
Rogers plans are actually not all that bad now that they've announced that you can take any voice plan and combine it with a 6GB for $30 deal.
This means that for about $50-60/mth (plus fees), you can get something like 200 minutes and 6GB.
It's still not unlimited like you can get in the US, but it's much more reasonable. | |
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2008-Jul-14 11:03 pm
Good PR spin pretending there was no pressure from Apple. If this is true why did rogers cave and offer the 6 GB data plan?
Because they care about their customers
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA
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