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Apple/AT&T Unblock VoIP Over 3G. Again. Sort Of.
VoIP over 3G moves forward at a glacial pace...
by Karl Bode Thursday 28-Jan-2010 tags: business · alternatives · VoIP
After a number of reports, complaints, and a few FCC inquiries -- AT&T announced in October of last year that they'd no longer be blocking VoIP programs like Skype from working over 3G. AT&T said they were taking a "fresh look" at VoIP capabilities on iPhone for use on AT&T's 3G network, and the move was soundly heralded by both the press and the FCC as a step in the right direction. But as of November there was still no movement on the blockade, AT&T telling us at the time the ball was in Apple's court, and Apple doing their usual "no comment" routine.

Of course it's now almost February of 2010, and at the moment VoIP applications like Skype over AT&T's 3G network are still restricted, and Google Voice is still a no show on the iPhone. But things might be changing. A press release issued this week by a company by the name of iCall indicates that the ban on VoIP over 3G has finally been lifted -- for them, anyway. "Apple Computer, Inc. has updated the iPhone developer SDK to allow VoIP over cellular networks," says the release. "iCall is the first and only VoIP application that functions on the iPhone and iPod Touch over cellular 3G networks."

Of course Apple told CNET last October that after being informed by AT&T of their policy change, Apple would "be amending our developer agreements to get VoIP apps on the App Store and in customers' hands as soon as possible." "As soon as possible apparently" meant three or four months later, and from the looks of it -- many VoIP apps are still blocked. You can probably wait a little longer before you're able to use Skype via an AT&T 3G connection.

Wireless networks and devices are slowly opening up. Just don't hold your breath while it's happening.

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openbox9

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iPod Touch

With 3G?

MSauk
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Re: iPod Touch

Their network can't even handle the iphone, now you are going to add VoIP and the iPAD!

Good luck with that
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stufried
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Re: iPod Touch

I have an unlocked Nokia E71 (US edition) and E66 (Euro) addition. I've tried VOIP over 3g using the Nokia codec, Fring, and Nimbuzz on HSDPA and HSPA networks in multiple countries. If you are not moving it will work, but not always perfectly. I've had a lot more problems in motion (defined as in a car, on a train, Ferry, etc). It is no great shakes.

When I was in Sweden, my wife talked to her mother-in-law that way several times and it was ok. I used it with my secretary who tolerated it, but suggested I should not make a business call that way. Over wifi, the calls were perfect including over a Muni Wifi net.

Perhaps someone will tweak it better than I have, but my experience now is that it is not ready for prime time.

ViviTheMage
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said by MSauk:

Their network can't even handle the iphone, now you are going to add VoIP and the iPAD!

Good luck with that
What makes you think Verizon/Sprint/T-Mobile/etc can handle the influx that AT&t has had to take on?

I typically don't tote apple products, but the iPhone and AT&T have been amazing for the last year i've had them.

T-Mobile was just as fine when I had that for 6+ years, but AT&T has been JUST as good, if not better..rollover, and much, MUCH larger 3G coverage then T-Mobile.
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MSauk
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Re: iPod Touch

Influx? Man they really have done nothing to their network since they got the iPhone. Taking in as much money as possible without reinvesting it into their very limited 3G coverage.

Also I never said the other companies could do it, but with that said I have no doubt Verizon could do it.

If you read what I said, you would see that adding all of these things to their already over-saturated lines is not going to help the situation.

said by ViviTheMage:

said by MSauk:

Their network can't even handle the iphone, now you are going to add VoIP and the iPAD!

Good luck with that
What makes you think Verizon/Sprint/T-Mobile/etc can handle the influx that AT&t has had to take on?

I typically don't tote apple products, but the iPhone and AT&T have been amazing for the last year i've had them.

T-Mobile was just as fine when I had that for 6+ years, but AT&T has been JUST as good, if not better..rollover, and much, MUCH larger 3G coverage then T-Mobile.

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MRCUR

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Re: iPod Touch

AT&T has seen a 5000%, yes FIVE THOUSAND PERCENT, increase in data traffic. I don't care what company you're dealing with, but no one can cope with that amount of NEW traffic quickly.

MSauk
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Re: iPod Touch

it has been proven that they are not reinvesting in their network as much as they should be. Lets not live with rose colored glasses on
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duh

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They have done TONS to the network since iPhone and continue to do so. AT&T, just like all other providers, don't make any of the equipment that provides the service. Look at any 3G equipment vendors financials and you'll see very quickly that they've been raking in cash over the last 48 months primarily due to smartphone consumption. Check your facts.

Gbcue
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I can't believe people haven't figured out rollover is a scam!
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matrix3D

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Middletown, CT

Re: iPod Touch

Please explain your "rollover minutes is a scam" claim. I've never had to actually dip into my rollover minutes, but if I ever did I like the fact that I will not be billed extra for doing so. How is this a scam?

Gbcue
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Re: iPod Touch

said by matrix3D:

Please explain your "rollover minutes is a scam" claim. I've never had to actually dip into my rollover minutes, but if I ever did I like the fact that I will not be billed extra for doing so. How is this a scam?
How many minutes do you purchase and how many do you use?
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drstein

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Re: iPod Touch

Um, 1400. A while back month we used 2100. Guess what? The "scam" worked just fine. We dipped into our Rollover minutes and didn't incur a large phone bill.

Now how is this a scam again?

Van
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This was what I was thinking

I kept reading the articles about the iPad being able to stream, etc...and I kept asking myself....how exactly is it going to do that on the struggling (nice way to put it) 3G network?

It already is over-loaded.....
drstein

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This really does depend on where you live. Out here where I live, coverage is excellent and I get 2mbit down on a regular basis. The AT&T network here seems to work juuuuuuuuust fine.

ptrowski
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said by openbox9:

With 3G?
I was wondering about that also.

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said by openbox9:

iPod Touch
With 3G?
Whoever wrote up that press release screwed up. the Touch obviously has no 3G. But the iPad will and that is what they probably meant. IF, and this is a big IF, the iCall app can actually work pretty well over 3G, using voice with just a data plan become feasible.
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Re: iPod Touch

said by Romney2012:

IF, and this is a big IF, the iCall app can actually work pretty well over 3G, using voice with just a data plan become feasible.
Feasible for whom? VoIP apps on the iPhone won't drive big cost benefits for consumers. IF AT&T ever allows a data only iPhone device, the plans will most likely be inline with the existing $60 data plans.

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said by openbox9:

IF AT&T ever allows a data only iPhone device, the plans will most likely be inline with the existing $60 data plans.
They are allowing a data only iPhone(it is called the iPad 3G) & AT&T will be selling a data only plan for the Apple iPad 3G models at $30/mo(plus the usual fees). So the iCall app would allow VOIP calling on a $30/mo AT&T data plan.
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openbox9

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Re: iPod Touch

The iPad isn't a phone (personally, I don't understand the draw of a tablet, but that's for another discussion). Right now, the iPad is additive to anything else T sells. It won't be replacing any of its existing services and therefore won't be impacting revenue. So, if T ever allows a phone with data only service leveraging VoIP that's cuts into existing revenue, I don't foresee an only $30/mth plan for such a device.

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Latency?

     A good while back, I had researched to see if one could possibly have a mobile phone be a SIP client (using your own IP-PBX, or some VOIP service).  Back then, I had learned that latency on 3G was still too high for VOIP.

     Isn't this still an issue?  I wonder what latency will be like on 4G/LTE, and if that will be low enough for VOIP?

     Furthermore, what's the catch?  I don't see AT&T giving up their voice revenues that easily.

dib22

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Kansas City, MO
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the sad part is ... you can already do this on at&t/winmo

windows mobile skype works good on at&t 3g... even on edge.
k1ll3rdr4g0n

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Re: the sad part is ... you can already do this on at&t/winmo

said by dib22:

windows mobile skype works good on at&t 3g... even on edge.
Yeah we forgot about him. Right now Android is blowing WM out of the water, but we will see once they release WM 7. Ever since competition entered the game it seems Microsoft has actually gotten serious about their mobile platform.

nunya
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Yawn

I've been using VoIP over 3G for a while now. Works fine with my asterisk system. Jailbreak people.
rapidrick

join:1999-10-28
Bear, DE

Re: Yawn

I have been using VOIP to my Asterisk system with a jailbroken iPhone and it works fine. Wife and son were recently in Kenya and Dubai for about 6 weeks...So, 9 cents per minute versus AT&Ts $3.99 per minute. Even most mainstream voip providers wanted .37 per minute.

I have to admit it's not perfect, but it was acceptable for me.
joeschuh

join:2000-10-02
Englewood, OH

It works

I didn't jailbreak my phone and today my acrobits softphone started working on 3g...

works well too...

silverpig

@wireless.ubc.ca

Skype/Fring

»www.wifitalk.ca/skype/skype-over···rks-now/

Apparently the fring app has been updated and can be used with skype-out to make calls. The skype app itself doesn't work over 3g yet, but probably will soon.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Still need skype of VoIP

Until Skype is legit over VoIP, it doesn't help me any.
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wwdubbia

join:2002-06-03
Clinton, NY

Digital Stream

Understanding the QoS requirement of VoIP, isn't this essentially another streaming app like Pandora? Except without the need for audio with high kbps?

Doesn't seem like it'd be that big of a strain necessarily. e.g. 1 Pandora user = 5 VoIP users.

Is this a valid comparison? If not, please explain. Thanks.
rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

Re: Digital Stream

Excellent quality VOIP probably uses about 90kbps in BOTH directions. There are lots of codecs and you could probably do a 50kbps in both directions and get mobile-quality voice.

I think the major difference between VOIP and Pandora is VOIP is in BOTH directions and it's interactive. Pandora is a stream in one direction and you really don't care how far the stream is two seconds behind the source as long as it keeps streaming.

Regarding VOIP being upstream too, in cable systems, upstream bandwidth is more of a premium than downstream because of the coordination required to ensure two don't talk on the same channel at the same time. If the same problems exist in wireless networks, it's likely the upstream VOIP stream is what challenges the carrier.

Another thing to consider is that VOIP works best when the latency is low. High latency connections will work but it will be like the news shows that have satellite links to remote places. They have to be careful not to talk on top of each other because of the latency between when one talker stops talking and the other starts.

ThirdShifter
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Skype works on 3g AT&T

skype has been working on AT&T 3g since it's inception. iPhone doesn't have an app but nonetheless it works on winmo.

Phil
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Re: Skype works on 3g AT&T

A Skype app is available for the iPhone, it's just that AT&T blocks it over 3G. It works great over a WiFi connection.
drstein

join:2004-06-12
Justin, TX

Fring

Just wanted to point out that the Fring app allows VoIP over 3G, and iCall does as well.

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