 openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:2 | iPod Touch With 3G? | |
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 |  MSaukMSaukPremium join:2002-01-17 Sandy, UT | Re: iPod Touch Their network can't even handle the iphone, now you are going to add VoIP and the iPAD!
Good luck with that -- 801 Images | |
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 |  |  | | Re: iPod Touch I have an unlocked Nokia E71 (US edition) and E66 (Euro) addition. I've tried VOIP over 3g using the Nokia codec, Fring, and Nimbuzz on HSDPA and HSPA networks in multiple countries. If you are not moving it will work, but not always perfectly. I've had a lot more problems in motion (defined as in a car, on a train, Ferry, etc). It is no great shakes.
When I was in Sweden, my wife talked to her mother-in-law that way several times and it was ok. I used it with my secretary who tolerated it, but suggested I should not make a business call that way. Over wifi, the calls were perfect including over a Muni Wifi net.
Perhaps someone will tweak it better than I have, but my experience now is that it is not ready for prime time. | |
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 |  |  | | said by MSauk:Their network can't even handle the iphone, now you are going to add VoIP and the iPAD! Good luck with that What makes you think Verizon/Sprint/T-Mobile/etc can handle the influx that AT&t has had to take on?
I typically don't tote apple products, but the iPhone and AT&T have been amazing for the last year i've had them.
T-Mobile was just as fine when I had that for 6+ years, but AT&T has been JUST as good, if not better..rollover, and much, MUCH larger 3G coverage then T-Mobile. -- »vivicalhosting.com - Reliable, and very affordable web hosting, VPS, and Dedicated solutions.
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| Re: iPod Touch Influx? Man they really have done nothing to their network since they got the iPhone. Taking in as much money as possible without reinvesting it into their very limited 3G coverage.
Also I never said the other companies could do it, but with that said I have no doubt Verizon could do it.
If you read what I said, you would see that adding all of these things to their already over-saturated lines is not going to help the situation.
said by ViviTheMage:said by MSauk:Their network can't even handle the iphone, now you are going to add VoIP and the iPAD! Good luck with that What makes you think Verizon/Sprint/T-Mobile/etc can handle the influx that AT&t has had to take on? I typically don't tote apple products, but the iPhone and AT&T have been amazing for the last year i've had them. T-Mobile was just as fine when I had that for 6+ years, but AT&T has been JUST as good, if not better..rollover, and much, MUCH larger 3G coverage then T-Mobile. -- 801 Images | |
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 |  |  |  |  MRCUR join:2007-03-09 Columbia, PA | Re: iPod Touch AT&T has seen a 5000%, yes FIVE THOUSAND PERCENT, increase in data traffic. I don't care what company you're dealing with, but no one can cope with that amount of NEW traffic quickly. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  MSaukMSaukPremium join:2002-01-17 Sandy, UT | Re: iPod Touch it has been proven that they are not reinvesting in their network as much as they should be. Lets not live with rose colored glasses on -- 801 Images | |
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 |  |  |  |  duh @bellsouth.com 1 edit | They have done TONS to the network since iPhone and continue to do so. AT&T, just like all other providers, don't make any of the equipment that provides the service. Look at any 3G equipment vendors financials and you'll see very quickly that they've been raking in cash over the last 48 months primarily due to smartphone consumption. Check your facts. | |
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 |  |  |  GbcueAlmost P.E.Premium join:2001-09-30 Santa Rosa, CA kudos:8 | I can't believe people haven't figured out rollover is a scam! -- My Blog 2.0 | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: iPod Touch Please explain your "rollover minutes is a scam" claim. I've never had to actually dip into my rollover minutes, but if I ever did I like the fact that I will not be billed extra for doing so. How is this a scam? | |
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| Re: iPod Touch said by matrix3D:Please explain your "rollover minutes is a scam" claim. I've never had to actually dip into my rollover minutes, but if I ever did I like the fact that I will not be billed extra for doing so. How is this a scam? How many minutes do you purchase and how many do you use? -- My Blog 2.0 | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: iPod Touch Um, 1400. A while back month we used 2100. Guess what? The "scam" worked just fine. We dipped into our Rollover minutes and didn't incur a large phone bill.
Now how is this a scam again? | |
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 |  |  VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | This was what I was thinking
I kept reading the articles about the iPad being able to stream, etc...and I kept asking myself....how exactly is it going to do that on the struggling (nice way to put it) 3G network?
It already is over-loaded..... | |
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 |  ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium join:2005-03-14 Putnam, CT kudos:4 | I was wondering about that also. | |
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 |  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium join:2002-03-03 USA kudos:4 | Whoever wrote up that press release screwed up. the Touch obviously has no 3G. But the iPad will and that is what they probably meant. IF, and this is a big IF, the iCall app can actually work pretty well over 3G, using voice with just a data plan become feasible. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page
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 |  |  openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:2 | Re: iPod Touch said by Romney2012:IF, and this is a big IF, the iCall app can actually work pretty well over 3G, using voice with just a data plan become feasible. Feasible for whom? VoIP apps on the iPhone won't drive big cost benefits for consumers. IF AT&T ever allows a data only iPhone device, the plans will most likely be inline with the existing $60 data plans. | |
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 |  |  |  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium join:2002-03-03 USA kudos:4 1 edit | Re: iPod Touch said by openbox9: IF AT&T ever allows a data only iPhone device, the plans will most likely be inline with the existing $60 data plans. They are allowing a data only iPhone(it is called the iPad 3G) & AT&T will be selling a data only plan for the Apple iPad 3G models at $30/mo(plus the usual fees). So the iCall app would allow VOIP calling on a $30/mo AT&T data plan. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page
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 |  |  |  |  openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:2 | Re: iPod Touch The iPad isn't a phone (personally, I don't understand the draw of a tablet, but that's for another discussion). Right now, the iPad is additive to anything else T sells. It won't be replacing any of its existing services and therefore won't be impacting revenue. So, if T ever allows a phone with data only service leveraging VoIP that's cuts into existing revenue, I don't foresee an only $30/mth plan for such a device. | |
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| Latency? A good while back, I had researched to see if one could possibly have a mobile phone be a SIP client (using your own IP-PBX, or some VOIP service). Back then, I had learned that latency on 3G was still too high for VOIP.
Isn't this still an issue? I wonder what latency will be like on 4G/LTE, and if that will be low enough for VOIP?
Furthermore, what's the catch? I don't see AT&T giving up their voice revenues that easily. | |
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 dib22 join:2002-01-27 Kansas City, MO kudos:2 | the sad part is ... you can already do this on at&t/winmo windows mobile skype works good on at&t 3g... even on edge. | |
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 |  | | Re: the sad part is ... you can already do this on at&t/winmo said by dib22:windows mobile skype works good on at&t 3g... even on edge. Yeah we forgot about him. Right now Android is blowing WM out of the water, but we will see once they release WM 7. Ever since competition entered the game it seems Microsoft has actually gotten serious about their mobile platform. | |
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 nunyaWho is John Galt?Premium,MVM join:2000-12-23 O Fallon, MO kudos:5 | Yawn I've been using VoIP over 3G for a while now. Works fine with my asterisk system. Jailbreak people. | |
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 |  | | Re: Yawn I have been using VOIP to my Asterisk system with a jailbroken iPhone and it works fine. Wife and son were recently in Kenya and Dubai for about 6 weeks...So, 9 cents per minute versus AT&Ts $3.99 per minute. Even most mainstream voip providers wanted .37 per minute.
I have to admit it's not perfect, but it was acceptable for me. | |
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 | | It works I didn't jailbreak my phone and today my acrobits softphone started working on 3g...
works well too... | |
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 en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Still need skype of VoIP Until Skype is legit over VoIP, it doesn't help me any. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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 | | Digital Stream Understanding the QoS requirement of VoIP, isn't this essentially another streaming app like Pandora? Except without the need for audio with high kbps?
Doesn't seem like it'd be that big of a strain necessarily. e.g. 1 Pandora user = 5 VoIP users.
Is this a valid comparison? If not, please explain. Thanks. | |
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 |  rradina join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO | Re: Digital Stream Excellent quality VOIP probably uses about 90kbps in BOTH directions. There are lots of codecs and you could probably do a 50kbps in both directions and get mobile-quality voice.
I think the major difference between VOIP and Pandora is VOIP is in BOTH directions and it's interactive. Pandora is a stream in one direction and you really don't care how far the stream is two seconds behind the source as long as it keeps streaming.
Regarding VOIP being upstream too, in cable systems, upstream bandwidth is more of a premium than downstream because of the coordination required to ensure two don't talk on the same channel at the same time. If the same problems exist in wireless networks, it's likely the upstream VOIP stream is what challenges the carrier.
Another thing to consider is that VOIP works best when the latency is low. High latency connections will work but it will be like the news shows that have satellite links to remote places. They have to be careful not to talk on top of each other because of the latency between when one talker stops talking and the other starts. | |
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 ThirdShifterPremium join:2002-03-16 Vernon Rockville, CT kudos:1 | Skype works on 3g AT&T skype has been working on AT&T 3g since it's inception. iPhone doesn't have an app but nonetheless it works on winmo. | |
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 |  PhilRojo SolPremium join:2001-06-11 Camarillo, CA kudos:2 | Re: Skype works on 3g AT&T A Skype app is available for the iPhone, it's just that AT&T blocks it over 3G. It works great over a WiFi connection. | |
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 | | Fring Just wanted to point out that the Fring app allows VoIP over 3G, and iCall does as well. | |
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