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Carteret, NJ | Who Cares Love my Droid Incredible and will never switch to the Evil Empire and be a Apple Zombie. | |
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| Re: Who Cares said by rob316:Love my Droid Incredible and will never switch to the Evil Empire and be a Apple Zombie. Amen! | |
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| | | If this becomes into fruition, likely Verizon will explode with many wanting the iPhone. Me, I would rather have the LG Chocolate Touch but don't want to pay for no fraking data charge which I will NEVER use.
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| | | and what are you going to do when Oracle eats Google alive for taking their Java? They ate MSFT alive they'll do it again. | |
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| | | | Re: Who Cares Confirmed that it has been testing since March 2010. Recently begun testing on VZW's network. Performance looks good without any LC issues that have been an issue with ATT. | |
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| | | | said by hottboiinnc:and what are you going to do when Oracle eats Google alive for taking their Java? They ate MSFT alive they'll do it again. And yet all that came out of Java decision was we had to install it separately. Ho hum. | |
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| Re: Who Cares And what happens when it comes down to the phone? you're going to reinstall your OS that is BASED on JAVA? Ho hum yourself. Oracle is already calling for the stop on the Android powered phones and asking the others to be disabled.
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| | | | | | Re: Who Cares said by hottboiinnc:And what happens when it comes down to the phone? you're going to reinstall your OS that is BASED on JAVA? Ho hum yourself. Oracle is already calling for the stop on the Android powered phones and asking the others to be disabled. Why would I reinstall the OS myself, Verizon would just push an over air firmware downgrade, easy peasy japanesey.
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| | | | | | | Re: Who Cares It's not even that - they produced an entirely new version, it's not java. You write it in java, but, what gets pushed to the phone is Dalvik. | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | said by rob316:Love my Droid Incredible and will never switch to the Evil Empire and be a Apple Zombie. Then I guess this isn't the thread for you to post in, is it now?
Google, the "non evil" empire.. I suppose that's what you're thinking huh? Android users aren't Zombies huh? lol
... this raw raw raw cheer leading is just way too funny... kids these days, I swear. | |
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| CDMA is royalty proprietary. Apple would not be paying for Qualcomm proprietary CDMA code embedded in all iphones around the world. That would be HUGE waste of money.
So rumours of someone finding CDMA code in IOS4 should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt.
Note that since GSM 3g uses cdma (lowercase) air interface, it is quite possible that people have found cdma (lowercase) code in the phone. or even some proprietary cdma code from Qualcom. But it doesn't mean it is CDMA code. When Qualcom realise that its CDMA was a dead end, it started to sell stuff for GSM 3g (which uses cdma air interface similar to but not the samne as its CDMA protocol). | |
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| amungusPremium
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| Re: CDMA is royalty proprietary. Perhaps the 5th gen, or 4.x gen, or whatever won't be sold worldwide???
True that newer 3g does have some relation to "CDMA" and this could simply be gearing up for newer data access...
To be fair, you picked the one beef I have w/CDMA - it's doggedly proprietary, and Qualcomm really has done some "interesting" things to get their way with things over the years (see article linked below). Such matters are definitely not in dispute! ...I am only a 'fan' of CDMA in so far as I loathed the experience I've had w/TDMA phones and subsequent GSM networks (GPRS/EDGE) - it simply seems to me that the alternative (CMDA) sucks much less, in my opinion, experiences... YMMV, etc.
Does the average person know wtf we're even debating, let alone care? Not really. The only measure is whether or not they get service where they use their phone, and how reliable it is.
I hope the rumors are true, but that this isn't another carrier contracted deal. Sad that we are at a FOURTH generation of a product, and it's still only on AT&T's network  ...I might've bought one, at least to try out, were it not for this.
Interesting read from 1996. »www.networkcomputing.com/706/706frezza.html
Here we are years later, and guess which tech has more subscribers in the U.S.A.??? ...CDMA... Been an ugly road. Yes, the rest of the world was sold on TDMA/GSM, but that is not my point...
Maybe carriers will someday agree to a standard that doesn't suck, doesn't cause headaches, interfere with radios (TDMA, I'm looking at you...), etc. and all carriers allow all handsets that pass some certification to operate on their networks... One can dream!
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London, ON | They didn't see any CDMA computer code, they saw a new device identifier when disassembling some of the code that reads iProd2,1. That is(assuming it's real) an Apple product code like iPhone2,1 or MacBookPro2,2
Wether or not this is a CDMA phone being tested is pure speculation. | |
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| | I call. Sprint! They're the only one that would be willing to give up their market place for Apps. And since they don't really have one. It would only make sense. | |
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| Re: I call. That is a Google marketplace, with a verizon overperson to say what can and cannot run on the cellular network. Verizon does also have their own "app store" called Vcast. The problem is that Verizon charges a ton more for apps and would lose a revenue stream, and therefore would probably not allow the app store, and replace it with a proprietary Verizon app store. Same goes with Itunes. Verizon would probably want Itunes replaced with Vcast, as Verizon charges more per song, and makes a killing from them, so why would they let a competitor eat their captive market?
Plain and simple, the Iphone MAY(not will, but it could) end up MORE crippled on Verizon that on AT&T. This is simply because Verizon will want to make a profit from the App store, and Itunes(which apple would not allow). And since Apple will not allow this, Verizon would want the App Store, and Itunes, replaced with a Verizon proprietary app and music store. Apple is not likely to buy into this(as the app store, and Itunes are an integral part of the iOS), and this is the most important reason as to why Verizon may never get the iphone. | |
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Carteret, NJ | Re: I call. Wow finally someone who makes sense. Well put. | |
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| | | | | said by Chubbysumo:That is a Google marketplace, with a verizon overperson to say what can and cannot run on the cellular network. Verizon does also have their own "app store" called Vcast. The problem is that Verizon charges a ton more for apps and would lose a revenue stream, and therefore would probably not allow the app store, and replace it with a proprietary Verizon app store. Same goes with Itunes. Verizon would probably want Itunes replaced with Vcast, as Verizon charges more per song, and makes a killing from them, so why would they let a competitor eat their captive market? Plain and simple, the Iphone MAY(not will, but it could) end up MORE crippled on Verizon that on AT&T. This is simply because Verizon will want to make a profit from the App store, and Itunes(which apple would not allow). And since Apple will not allow this, Verizon would want the App Store, and Itunes, replaced with a Verizon proprietary app and music store. Apple is not likely to buy into this(as the app store, and Itunes are an integral part of the iOS), and this is the most important reason as to why Verizon may never get the iphone. Yeah. Verizon isnt crippling phones like they use to. Take a look at what AT&T does to it Android Phones. The Backflip is the most crippled phone ever. My Droid X and Original Droid are not crippled. | |
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| | | | | | Re: I call. Agreed for the most part, except for the fact that Verizon has certainly chosen to "cripple" my first-gen Droid by not allowing for wireless tethering. Say what you want about Apple, but they don't usually cripple a product to make it's successor more compelling less than a year after the original's release. It's absurd. Verizon and Motorola don't have anywhere near as much goodwill with me after pulling this bullshit. I may actually be switching back to the iPhone/AT&T after my contract expires with Verizon.
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| | | | | | | Re: I call. said by gattaca:Agreed for the most part, except for the fact that Verizon has certainly chosen to "cripple" my first-gen Droid by not allowing for wireless tethering. Say what you want about Apple, but they don't usually cripple a product to make it's successor more compelling less than a year after the original's release. It's absurd. Verizon and Motorola don't have anywhere near as much goodwill with me after pulling this bullshit. I may actually be switching back to the iPhone/AT&T after my contract expires with Verizon. Sure they do. | |
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| Re: I call. said by cmaenginsb:said by gattaca:Agreed for the most part, except for the fact that Verizon has certainly chosen to "cripple" my first-gen Droid by not allowing for wireless tethering. Say what you want about Apple, but they don't usually cripple a product to make it's successor more compelling less than a year after the original's release. It's absurd. Verizon and Motorola don't have anywhere near as much goodwill with me after pulling this bullshit. I may actually be switching back to the iPhone/AT&T after my contract expires with Verizon. Sure they do. yep.. I don't know what world sprkleMotion is living in but Moto, Apple, Verizon, etc all cripple their phones on the same level. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: I call. said by RiseAbove:said by cmaenginsb:said by gattaca:Agreed for the most part, except for the fact that Verizon has certainly chosen to "cripple" my first-gen Droid by not allowing for wireless tethering. Say what you want about Apple, but they don't usually cripple a product to make it's successor more compelling less than a year after the original's release. It's absurd. Verizon and Motorola don't have anywhere near as much goodwill with me after pulling this bullshit. I may actually be switching back to the iPhone/AT&T after my contract expires with Verizon. Sure they do. yep.. I don't know what world sprkleMotion is living in but Moto, Apple, Verizon, etc all cripple their phones on the same level. My problem with my Motorola Droid is that it is:
1. a product that was launched less than a year ago, and
2. is a product that is currently being sold.
and still Verizon/Motorola have chosen to lie about its capabilities and deliberately disable WIFI tethering for the clear purpose of upselling the Droid 2.
In my experience with Apple products (and I may be overlooking something) Apple has not crippled a product in such a manner when compared to its successor within a year of the original's release.
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| Re: I call. The iphone vs the iphone 3g is full of examples. Ever since ios 3, apple has neutered the original iphone, even though the hardware on both phones is nearly identical. MMS anyone? Video recording? Apple is a prime example of a company crippling products to make artificial market segments to increase profits.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: I call. said by tiger72:The iphone vs the iphone 3g is full of examples. Ever since ios 3, apple has neutered the original iphone, even though the hardware on both phones is nearly identical. MMS anyone? Video recording? Apple is a prime example of a company crippling products to make artificial market segments to increase profits. IIRC, none of these products were released with less than a year between each other. The Droid was THE best Android smartphone to get when it launched, and it has not even been a year.
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| | | | | | | | | | said by gattaca:My problem with my Motorola Droid is that it is: 1. a product that was launched less than a year ago, and 2. is a product that is currently being sold. and still Verizon/Motorola have chosen to lie about its capabilities and deliberately disable WIFI tethering for the clear purpose of upselling the Droid 2. In my experience with Apple products (and I may be overlooking something) Apple has not crippled a product in such a manner when compared to its successor within a year of the original's release. Apple instead launches a product without a feature (like mms) stops selling the old one and requires you to pay full price to upgrade to the new. At least with the Droid it isn't full retail price which is the whole point. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: I call. said by cmaenginsb:said by gattaca:My problem with my Motorola Droid is that it is: 1. a product that was launched less than a year ago, and 2. is a product that is currently being sold. and still Verizon/Motorola have chosen to lie about its capabilities and deliberately disable WIFI tethering for the clear purpose of upselling the Droid 2. In my experience with Apple products (and I may be overlooking something) Apple has not crippled a product in such a manner when compared to its successor within a year of the original's release. Apple instead launches a product without a feature (like mms) stops selling the old one and requires you to pay full price to upgrade to the new. At least with the Droid it isn't full retail price which is the whole point. I have an original Droid. How am I able to get the new Droid 2 at less than retail price as you allude to? If you're talking about the carrier subsidized price for renewing a contract about 16 months into a two year commitment, that does not help current Droid owners. What's more, the same subsidized pricing has been available to iPhone upgraders as well. I'm not sure I'm understanding you?
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| | | | | and that has been the whole issue with VZ from the start. | |
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| | | | | | Re: I call. said by hottboiinnc:and that has been the whole issue with VZ from the start. That they aren't crippling their phones? | |
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| Re: I call. uh no. they're App store is the VCast store. you should seriously learn to read. That was why Apple and VZ couldn't work out a deal to start off with. VZ wants the VCast store and Apple wanted iTunes. VZ won't give up their cash cow.
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| | | | | | | | Re: I call. said by hottboiinnc:uh no. they're App store is the VCast store. you should seriously learn to read. That was why Apple and VZ couldn't work out a deal to start off with. VZ wants the VCast store and Apple wanted iTunes. VZ won't give up their cash cow. You're the one who replied to a poster that didn't even mention the VCast store and you want me to learn to read?
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| | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | I could NOT disagree with you more.
The carriers want users in contracts - period. If the iPhone brings that in, then so be it. They make a fortune off the data plans, the texting plans, and so on. Verizon is already living with the android store so why would the app store be any different?
The iPhone will NEVER be cripple on any carrier - plain and simple end of discussion. The iPhone is based on, now, the iOS operating system. It's not customized to the carrier with the exception of turning on and off things like tethering and MMS.. but no, Verizon wouldn't touch the OS.
You guys seem to think that things are black and white, one way or the other. You guys seem to think that the Android is going to be with what they stick with and that they don't "need" apple.. um, any company that wants to make as much money as these carriers do would not turn their nose away from millions of customers.
Just how "crippled" is the iPhone on AT&T anyway? You talking about tethering? | |
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| May not be for verizon! Not the first to think of this, just repeating what I saw elsewhere.
Given the exclusive agreement with AT&T, this CDMA iphone may not even be for Verizon, I think China Unicom also uses CDMA and they have a big interest in iphone over there too | |
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Valencia, CA | Re: May not be for verizon! Yup - China has a HUGE market - I know on the GSM side they bought 5 million of them. | |
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| | | said by Dest:Given the exclusive agreement with AT&T, this CDMA iphone may not even be for Verizon, I think China Unicom also uses CDMA and they have a big interest in iphone over there too Not that it really matters, but it's China Telecom that actually operates the CDMA network in China. Though it was China Unicom's CDMA network that they bought... | |
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Billings, MT | Still love my HTC.. I still love my HTC Touch Pro with the latest EnergyROM Cookie 'Energy' firmware..
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| A couple of points to make cdma vs CDMA
GSM, in its earlier versions, up to incluing 2G/GPRS/EDGE was using a tdma philosophy for air interface. (time division multiplexing, each user is garanteed bandwidth once you get a channel.)
GSM in its 3G inception (UMTS/HSPA) is based on a cdma philosophy. Similar to original ethernet. It is a collision detection scheme, similar to the original coax ethernet. You use as much bandwidth as you like, as long as you dont detect that you are causing collisions with other users.
In terms of apple and veriziong crippling the iphone.
Apple seems to have set some rules about carriers not crippling certain key features of the iphone, but Apple has allowed carriers to select to cripple certain other features. For instance, many carriers configure the phone to prevent the user from knowing/editing the APN settings for data transfers. | |
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