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| and this is about the ONLY circumstance that would push me back to dial-up.
They can pretend its for congestion all they want, they are not fooling us. (same as the anti-child porn motive is used to push site blocking blacklists which include anti-gov, anti-abortion sites.. ect) | |
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join:2008-07-24 Hammond, IN | Re: HELL NO! ok, ya got me on the false threat.
but still I would think about those who maybe work from home, or stream video for online conferences or meetings during the daytime, plus what about weekends??? | |
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join:2003-01-26 Gaithersburg, MD | Re: HELL NO! Technically, those uses would violate most providers' TOU restricting account usage to personal and not business use. That doesn't make it any easier to swallow, tho'...  | |
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"The cheapest plan costs 11.99 pounds ($17.67) per month. Use is capped at 10 gigabytes a month, except for unlimited use between midnight and 8 a.m."
Instead of...
"The cheapest plan costs 11.99 pounds ($17.67) per month. Use is capped at 10 gigabytes a month, except for unlimited use between midnight and 8 a.m."
So I would guess two things. First this would be similar to their DSL Lite but with unlimited from midnight to 8am.. Secondly if this is their cheapest plan then they must have higher tier plans. I dunno, for the price and the unlimited after midnight it looks like a decent deal to me. | |
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1 edit | said by TKJunkMail :said by DaveNJ :I would choose dial-up over this.. Really?? That is such a shortsighted decision. 10GB a month during prime hours plus all you can eat overnight is more bandwidth than a vast majority of broadband users use every month. I'm on the internet all the time and my avg monthly usage runs about 7GB/month(that includes a desktop pc, a laptop, and a Wii internet connection. If you can't get by on that, how do you expect to use dial-up and be happy with it. Your threat to go dial-up is nothing but an empty promise. This really isnt at all enticing, the point is your can drive this car, but when you reach 50miles, then car turns off. I easily go over this in a month. But if there would be no reason to use this service, so dial-up or wireless would be a better choice. Just because somoene offers a service doesnt mean i have to buy it. I would would consider myself an un-served demographic. -- They Live... We Sleep...
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by DaveNJ :I would choose dial-up over this.. Really?? That is such a shortsighted decision. 10GB a month during prime hours plus all you can eat overnight is more bandwidth than a vast majority of broadband users use every month. I'm on the internet all the time and my avg monthly usage runs about 7GB/month(that includes a desktop pc, a laptop, and a Wii internet connection. If you can't get by on that, how do you expect to use dial-up and be happy with it. Your threat to go dial-up is nothing but an empty promise. You wouldnt happen to be a granny in a wheelchair by any chance would you? Seriously..SEVEN gigs a month..why are you even bothering getting high speed?? You are a waste to the rest of us. Just do us all a favor and go back to dial up for your browsing and email and let the rest of us get what we paid for.
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| Re: HELL NO! said by GyroCaptain :You wouldnt happen to be a granny in a wheelchair by any chance would you? Seriously..SEVEN gigs a month..why are you even bothering getting high speed?? You are a waste to the rest of us. Waste? I'd like all my neighbors to be like that poster. People using so little are paying for the higher users. Kinda like the neighbor in the big house with no kids. Their taxes pay for yours to go to school. | |
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join:2008-07-24 Hammond, IN | Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy let me fix that last sentence for you TK.
"God forbid anyone make a profit off of the undermining of the peoples privacy and charge more for less then they are now...again" | |
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join:2008-07-24 Hammond, IN 1 edit | Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy I can choose to NOT use google.
But I cant change to an ISP that does not decimate consumer privacy if my only options are con-cast and AT&T. | |
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join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH | Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy yah you can. use someone else. Dial-up? WildBlue. Hughes Net.
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| Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy said by hottboiinnc :yah you can. use someone else. Dial-up? WildBlue. Hughes Net. There are options. Why not boil your hot water and go back to an outhouse too? | |
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| Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy been there done that. Sorry i have lived in the country thank you. I have been without HSI. I used Dial-up---yah it sucked but i didn't bitch about it. Hell the city i lived in didn't know what HSI was.
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join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH | Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy Where does it state in Comcast's Terms of Service they protect your rights and such? I don't remember hearing anything about that.
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| Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy said by Karl Bode :I think you broke a record for most strawmen in a post just then. I count at least two. I'm glad you've identified my evil plot to stop all companies from making any money whatsoever. I wasn't sure that would come through as a central thesis. It comes thru loud and clear on most of your editorials. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :Most usage-oriented plans have less to do with network capacity, and more to do with placating hungry investors, for whom ridiculous profits are never enough if there isn't staggering quarter-over-quarter improvements. The oft repeated, but never proved, suppositions of those whose socialist beliefs and anti-corporate philosophies see the bogeyman behind any action not resulting in something for free for the masses. God forbid anyone make a profit on their invested savings. god forbid companies think of CUSTOMER first since it is well known that "the customer is always right even when he's not". FACT. | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :Most usage-oriented plans have less to do with network capacity, and more to do with placating hungry investors, for whom ridiculous profits are never enough if there isn't staggering quarter-over-quarter improvements. The oft repeated, but never proved, suppositions of those whose socialist beliefs and anti-corporate philosophies see the bogeyman behind any action not resulting in something for free for the masses. God forbid anyone make a profit on their invested savings. Who is talking about something for free? We already pay an arm and a leg for some of the world's worse broadband service and yet, it's not enough. The corporations want to make it even worse by instituting caps ... now we have money hungry folks like Arbor Networks who want to sell DPI.
The socialist argument is lame and I'm surprised you've stooped that low. Or are you parroting all Republican talking points now just because it's the thing for the side that lost to do? As hard as it is for you to believe, there is a middle ground. When corporations rule the roost, you get this mess that we're in right now. | |
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| If network usage correlated to network failure, then charging more for using more could make sense... but it doesn't. The only thing reasonable customers typically expect from a network is a best effort to meet the advertised speeds most of the time, with the understanding that some periods of the day will unavoidably see slow-downs. More customers using more bandwidth over time is normal growth, and they should expect upgrades as more customers are added to a segment, to alleviate constraints due to not enough bandwidth. But given that network segments still sit idle to a significant degree for a large part of the time, charging more for using more is, in fact, a rip-off. Yes, some few customers may have outrageously excessive usage, and they perhaps should be dealt with appropriately, but caps and overage fees are, by and large, little more than a rip-off, aka outrageous profit--revenue that doesn't correlate to a matching investment. | |
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| The oft repeated, but never proved, suppositions of those whose socialist beliefs and anti-corporate philosophies see the bogeyman behind any action not resulting in something for free for the masses.
God forbid anyone make a profit on their invested savings. | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :Most usage-oriented plans have less to do with network capacity, and more to do with placating hungry investors, for whom ridiculous profits are never enough if there isn't staggering quarter-over-quarter improvements. The oft repeated, but never proved, suppositions of those whose socialist beliefs and anti-corporate philosophies see the bogeyman behind any action not resulting in something for free for the masses. God forbid anyone make a profit on their invested savings. It is not the profits. For some reason businesses think they should always grow and make even more. Even those that have solid profits seem to think they should make more and quickly. That thinking is just to me odd. Once some point is reached the trick should be to replace any outdated revenue streams with new streams to stay where you are and keep bringing in nice solid profits. Sort of like at my last job. Every year workers should be this much faster. Uh? this work has been going on many many years. A ten percent faster worker every year each and every year. Not physically possible. Same with 10 percent more profits etc. each and every year. Some year will disappoint you. Like said the trick should be to replace declining revenue streams with new healthy ones. Thus bring in a nice consistent profit. No everyone does not want just profit they want those numbers always increasing. Charge more for something that has been there done that some new startup will eventually get you. | |
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| WTF?! Do American ISPs want this? Would a cap that small not drive people back to dial-up/ISDN? I know it would for me. Would that not hurt the ISPs pocket book, if so y would they do this. Do most british ISPs do that? One final question WTF is that guy on?! | |
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1 edit | Re: WTF?! If you use Google you already are being watched. So what's the big deal?
The same thing goes to: AT$T, Verizon, Sprint and other ISPs/Telco customers. What's the big deal if it's already being done.
If you want lower prices yah we could set this up the same way they're doing it in the UK maybe we'd actually have faster speeds. And just because you have faster speeds doesn't mean you will reach your cap any faster either. | |
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join:2008-11-20 Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: WTF?! I don't mean the watching I don't care about that as much as the cap. I have a 512 connection right now and do way more than 10g. If a 10g cap is what it takes to get DSL/cable out here/faster speed I will stick with my 512/128 wireless. | |
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| Re: WTF?! 10gig was the lowest tier. You can always go to a package with a higher cap. It seems that some people (not saying just you) only think that there are only 10gig caps because that's what Karl always reports on. But I'm afraid to tell you there are plans that cost more that give you a higher cap.
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join:2008-11-20 Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: WTF?! I know there r, and I would get a higher one if I were there. I just don't want 10g to become the "norm". | |
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| Lets start a new better ISP If anyone knows of a good way to get funding to start an ISP with the intent of it becoming a Tier 1 ISP please let me know
I would be interested in starting such an ISP and I think it would be able to bring in people from the current major ISP's
these would be the founding ideas of such a company
No cap very well defined QOS based on DSCP ISP provided e-mail would be available (but not standard i.e. part of the package for noobs) would be fully transparent (like teksavvy) cable or fiber based (for last mile links)(no not DSL) ISO certified asap good support and constant improvement of network hardware (a cycle would be worked out and any planned outages would be posted atleast a week in advance and more
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| This almost reminds me of the Nuclear Fission..... "While Arbor may not want to talk about it, DPI's creepier implications led consumer advocacy group Free Press to last week issue a report (pdf) on DPI, warning that while the technology itself isn't necessarily bad -- the way in which it could be miss-used by carriers may be. Last fall University of Colorado law professor Paul Ohm made a similar argument, saying the modern ISP, thanks to new technological developments like deep packet inspection, poses the greatest privacy threat to American consumers."
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Atomic separation brought on Energy but also devastating bombs!
I think this is where, the same as the Nuclear side, rules are going to be needed to guide the planet on the dos and don'ts of these very useful, yet equally destructive, pieces of hardware!
The unfortunate piece of this is in finding out which entity will step forward first to put their foot down... I really hope it happens before too much damage has been made to our privacy and even worse our rights/lives!
I swear I've seen movies about stupidity like this! LOL -- TSI Rocky - TekSavvy Solutions Inc.
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What's next you ask ?
Part two of the DPI story they don't want you to know about. Read the entire Bill, it will be completely obvious what to expect next.
»www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublication···&File=33
They want what without a warrant or court order ?
Let's put all the thieves who stole a .50 cent song (pun intended) in prison which will cost tax payers $60,000 a year to teach them a lesson, not to mention court cost's. After all being as we are in a recession what better way to stimulate the economy than to put more people in prison right ?
Typical bureaucratic BS.
Internet security without question. Enforcement of the music and movie industry on the tax payers tab not a %^&*$# chance. Try putting a shop lifter in prison for stealing a pair of jeans.
I can think of the word "CAPPED" being used in a slightly different context, like a song or a headline.
After today's budget report and new tax grab by harmonizing the tax so the poor man has to pay tax on things we never had to before. That is not the definition of harmony to me.
You just completely stifled the Canadian economy but more importantly just recreated the black market. Great idea, tax the poor families right at the beginning of a recession. Who's the idiot that came up with that idea ? Bet they never had to eat tuna out of a can or skip a meal so their kid could eat. | |
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