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It's useful for stuff! Like..over-charging consumers, and uh, ads!
(old news - 04:30PM Thursday Mar 26 2009)
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Saul Hansell of the New York Times has posted an interesting discussion with Kurt Dobbins, the CTO of Arbor Networks. Arbor is one of several hardware vendors working on deep packet inspection (DPI) hardware for a number of uses, though Dobbins prefers to downplay the technology's more seedy applications -- instead focusing on how DPI can be used to charge broadband users more money. He's particularly interested in pricing models in the UK:
Mr. Dobbins said Internet providers in the United States should follow the lead of Plusnet, a British I.S.P. that uses Arbor equipment to offer various service plans. The cheapest plan costs 11.99 pounds ($17.67) per month. Use is capped at 10 gigabytes a month, except for unlimited use between midnight and 8 a.m. In addition, traffic is divided into seven categories, each with a different priority. At the top are fee-based services, like video on demand movies and voice over Internet phone calls. At the bottom are downloading of files from peer-to-peer networks and Usenet newsgroups.
Thankfully, Hansell quotes broadband-industry mainstay Dave Burstein, who again steps up to remind people that ISPs already make a killing on flat-rate pricing plans, and that many of these fractured, overage-oriented plans are absolute consumer ripoffs. Most usage-oriented plans have less to do with network capacity, and more to do with placating hungry investors, for whom ridiculous profits are never enough if there isn't staggering quarter-over-quarter improvements. A desire to protect TV revenues from Internet video plays a role as well.

As for Deep packet inspection, it has many legitimate uses on an ISP network, but has gained notoriety in recent years for its use in delivering behavioral ads, injecting ISP javascript banners into websites, and identifying (and ultimately filtering or throttling) P2P traffic. Evolution in DPI technology has companies not only buying and selling your online habits, but pushing the technology as a new Internet policing solution, potentially placing the onus on ISPs to compare every packet a user sends to a master database of what's legal or illegal.

While Arbor may not want to talk about it, DPI's creepier implications led consumer advocacy group Free Press to last week issue a report (pdf) on DPI, warning that while the technology itself isn't necessarily bad -- the way in which it could be mis-used by carriers may be. Last fall University of Colorado law professor Paul Ohm made a similar argument, saying the modern ISP, thanks to new technological developments like deep packet inspection, poses the greatest privacy threat to American consumers.

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inferno

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HELL NO!

Ummm.... hell no... 10 gigs a month is pathetic... so if you went over that you could only surf the net after 12am to 8am? fail...

DaveNJ
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Re: HELL NO!

I would choose dial-up over this..
me1212

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Re: HELL NO!

I would get ISDN... But I understand what u r saying.
Pv8man

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and this is about the ONLY circumstance that would push me back to dial-up.

They can pretend its for congestion all they want, they are not fooling us.
(same as the anti-child porn motive is used to push site blocking blacklists which include anti-gov, anti-abortion sites.. ect)

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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

I would choose dial-up over this..
Really??

That is such a shortsighted decision. 10GB a month during prime hours plus all you can eat overnight is more bandwidth than a vast majority of broadband users use every month.

I'm on the internet all the time and my avg monthly usage runs about 7GB/month(that includes a desktop pc, a laptop, and a Wii internet connection.

If you can't get by on that, how do you expect to use dial-up and be happy with it. Your threat to go dial-up is nothing but an empty promise.
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Pv8man

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Re: HELL NO!

ok, ya got me on the false threat.

but still I would think about those who maybe work from home, or stream video for online conferences or meetings during the daytime, plus what about weekends???
Desdinova

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Re: HELL NO!

Technically, those uses would violate most providers' TOU restricting account usage to personal and not business use. That doesn't make it any easier to swallow, tho'...

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Let me fix Karl's editorial...

"The cheapest plan costs 11.99 pounds ($17.67) per month. Use is capped at 10 gigabytes a month, except for unlimited use between midnight and 8 a.m."

Instead of...

"The cheapest plan costs 11.99 pounds ($17.67) per month. Use is capped at 10 gigabytes a month, except for unlimited use between midnight and 8 a.m."

So I would guess two things. First this would be similar to their DSL Lite but with unlimited from midnight to 8am.. Secondly if this is their cheapest plan then they must have higher tier plans. I dunno, for the price and the unlimited after midnight it looks like a decent deal to me.

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by DaveNJ See Profile :

I would choose dial-up over this..
Really??

That is such a shortsighted decision. 10GB a month during prime hours plus all you can eat overnight is more bandwidth than a vast majority of broadband users use every month.

I'm on the internet all the time and my avg monthly usage runs about 7GB/month(that includes a desktop pc, a laptop, and a Wii internet connection.

If you can't get by on that, how do you expect to use dial-up and be happy with it. Your threat to go dial-up is nothing but an empty promise.
This really isnt at all enticing, the point is your can drive this car, but when you reach 50miles, then car turns off. I easily go over this in a month. But if there would be no reason to use this service, so dial-up or wireless would be a better choice. Just because somoene offers a service doesnt mean i have to buy it. I would would consider myself an un-served demographic.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

I'm on the internet all the time and my avg monthly usage runs about 7GB/month(that includes a desktop pc, a laptop, and a Wii internet connection.
and *i'm* on the internet all the time (my wife and i) and my monthly consumption is 40gig/month, if i'm not moving isos/ios images back and forth between our office demo network. i've hit hundreds of gigs per month. so what...

your consumption numbers are one case. i would say that your useage is *much* below the normal family of users.

if you want - you are free to move to the uk though. i'm sure they would love the whole anti-socialism spiel

q.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by DaveNJ See Profile :

I would choose dial-up over this..
Really??

That is such a shortsighted decision. 10GB a month during prime hours plus all you can eat overnight is more bandwidth than a vast majority of broadband users use every month.

I'm on the internet all the time and my avg monthly usage runs about 7GB/month(that includes a desktop pc, a laptop, and a Wii internet connection.

If you can't get by on that, how do you expect to use dial-up and be happy with it. Your threat to go dial-up is nothing but an empty promise.
You wouldnt happen to be a granny in a wheelchair by any chance would you? Seriously..SEVEN gigs a month..why are you even bothering getting high speed?? You are a waste to the rest of us. Just do us all a favor and go back to dial up for your browsing and email and let the rest of us get what we paid for.

Usenet FTW.

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Re: HELL NO!

said by GyroCaptain See Profile :

You wouldnt happen to be a granny in a wheelchair by any chance would you? Seriously..SEVEN gigs a month..why are you even bothering getting high speed?? You are a waste to the rest of us.
Waste? I'd like all my neighbors to be like that poster. People using so little are paying for the higher users. Kinda like the neighbor in the big house with no kids. Their taxes pay for yours to go to school.

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said by inferno See Profile :

Ummm.... hell no... 10 gigs a month is pathetic... so if you went over that you could only surf the net after 12am to 8am? fail...
This is an $18/mo option. For the web surfer/emailing grandma, this is great compared to $45 for 250GB. What the heck does she need that for? Don't you thing some percent (10? 20?) use under 10GB/mo and would welcome the savings?

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Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

Most usage-oriented plans have less to do with network capacity, and more to do with placating hungry investors, for whom ridiculous profits are never enough if there isn't staggering quarter-over-quarter improvements.
The oft repeated, but never proved, suppositions of those whose socialist beliefs and anti-corporate philosophies see the bogeyman behind any action not resulting in something for free for the masses.

God forbid anyone make a profit on their invested savings.
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Pv8man

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Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

let me fix that last sentence for you TK.

"God forbid anyone make a profit off of the undermining of the peoples privacy and charge more for less then they are now...again"
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Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

But privacy doesn't matter when it comes to Google services, right?

SO only the ISPs are bad then.

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Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

I can choose to NOT use google.

But I cant change to an ISP that does not decimate consumer privacy if my only options are con-cast and AT&T.
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Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

yah you can. use someone else. Dial-up? WildBlue. Hughes Net.

There are options.

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Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

yah you can. use someone else. Dial-up? WildBlue. Hughes Net.

There are options.
Why not boil your hot water and go back to an outhouse too?
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Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

been there done that. Sorry i have lived in the country thank you. I have been without HSI. I used Dial-up---yah it sucked but i didn't bitch about it. Hell the city i lived in didn't know what HSI was.

HSI is luxury not a right. Hot water can be considered the same and inside plumbing. You can live without having both..

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said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

But privacy doesn't matter when it comes to Google services, right?
I'm paying my ISP for privacy. Are you paying Google for privacy?
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Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

Where does it state in Comcast's Terms of Service they protect your rights and such? I don't remember hearing anything about that.

OH SHIT! I'll go get my lawyer.

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I think you broke a record for most strawmen in a post just then. I count at least two.

I'm glad you've identified my evil plot to stop all companies from making any money whatsoever. I wasn't sure that would come through as a central thesis.

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Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

I think you broke a record for most strawmen in a post just then. I count at least two.

I'm glad you've identified my evil plot to stop all companies from making any money whatsoever.

I wasn't sure that would come through as a central thesis.
It comes thru loud and clear on most of your editorials.
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Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

I also hate puppies.

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said by Karl Bode See Profile :

I also hate puppies.
I know. You've posted that before.

But in the last Corporate Overlord newsletter I read, I think the story was you cooked puppy burgers for dinner.

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Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

I'm sure there are a few newsletters out there that suggest as much.

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

I also hate puppies.
I know. You've posted that before.

But in the last Corporate Overlord newsletter I read, I think the story was you cooked puppy burgers for dinner.

Dead puppies.....aren't much fun.....
Desdinova

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Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

What do you mean? They're a dead baby's best friend!!

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said by Cheese See Profile :

Dead puppies.....aren't much fun.....
But you don't have to walk them.
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Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

No, but you can drag 'em around a little.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Most usage-oriented plans have less to do with network capacity, and more to do with placating hungry investors, for whom ridiculous profits are never enough if there isn't staggering quarter-over-quarter improvements.
The oft repeated, but never proved, suppositions of those whose socialist beliefs and anti-corporate philosophies see the bogeyman behind any action not resulting in something for free for the masses.

God forbid anyone make a profit on their invested savings.
god forbid companies think of CUSTOMER first since it is well known that "the customer is always right even when he's not". FACT.

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Most usage-oriented plans have less to do with network capacity, and more to do with placating hungry investors, for whom ridiculous profits are never enough if there isn't staggering quarter-over-quarter improvements.
The oft repeated, but never proved, suppositions of those whose socialist beliefs and anti-corporate philosophies see the bogeyman behind any action not resulting in something for free for the masses.

God forbid anyone make a profit on their invested savings.
Who is talking about something for free? We already pay an arm and a leg for some of the world's worse broadband service and yet, it's not enough. The corporations want to make it even worse by instituting caps ... now we have money hungry folks like Arbor Networks who want to sell DPI.

The socialist argument is lame and I'm surprised you've stooped that low. Or are you parroting all Republican talking points now just because it's the thing for the side that lost to do? As hard as it is for you to believe, there is a middle ground. When corporations rule the roost, you get this mess that we're in right now.

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Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

I believe that deserves an "Amen!".

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If network usage correlated to network failure, then charging more for using more could make sense... but it doesn't. The only thing reasonable customers typically expect from a network is a best effort to meet the advertised speeds most of the time, with the understanding that some periods of the day will unavoidably see slow-downs. More customers using more bandwidth over time is normal growth, and they should expect upgrades as more customers are added to a segment, to alleviate constraints due to not enough bandwidth. But given that network segments still sit idle to a significant degree for a large part of the time, charging more for using more is, in fact, a rip-off. Yes, some few customers may have outrageously excessive usage, and they perhaps should be dealt with appropriately, but caps and overage fees are, by and large, little more than a rip-off, aka outrageous profit--revenue that doesn't correlate to a matching investment.
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The oft repeated, but never proved, suppositions of those whose socialist beliefs and anti-corporate philosophies see the bogeyman behind any action not resulting in something for free for the masses.

God forbid anyone make a profit on their invested savings.
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Re: Profits are bad; losses are good socialist philosophy

There appears to be an echo in here.
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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

There appears to be an echo in here.
Parrots can only repeat, not come up with original ideas.

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Most usage-oriented plans have less to do with network capacity, and more to do with placating hungry investors, for whom ridiculous profits are never enough if there isn't staggering quarter-over-quarter improvements.
The oft repeated, but never proved, suppositions of those whose socialist beliefs and anti-corporate philosophies see the bogeyman behind any action not resulting in something for free for the masses.

God forbid anyone make a profit on their invested savings.
It is not the profits. For some reason businesses think they should always grow and make even more. Even those that have solid profits seem to think they should make more and quickly.
That thinking is just to me odd. Once some point is reached the trick should be to replace any outdated revenue streams with new streams to stay where you are and keep bringing in nice solid profits.
Sort of like at my last job. Every year workers should be this much faster. Uh? this work has been going on many many years. A ten percent faster worker every year each and every year. Not physically possible. Same with 10 percent more profits etc. each and every year. Some year will disappoint you. Like said the trick should be to replace declining revenue streams with new healthy ones. Thus bring in a nice consistent profit. No everyone does not want just profit they want those numbers always increasing. Charge more for something that has been there done that some new startup will eventually get you.
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TK, I do not believe that you understand the true issue here. Those responding to this newsletter are not opposed to Capitalism. They are frustrated because Broadband service providers form an Oligopoly where there is limited or no competition. In a true capitalistic environment there are many competitors that compete with each other to drive prices down and force factors in the industry to improve services. In the current market the ISP's take the position that we are not Burger King, so if you want it your way and do not like how they treat you F@#K Off. That was the way the Bell System employees treated customers before the Bell System was broken up.

The real problem with Broadband Service is the lack of competition. The only choice that Broadband Subscribers have is service provided by CATV or Telephone Companies. Until Subscribers have sufficient choices they will have to suffer from corporatism.

I worked for a large regional ISP for several years. They only offered Dial-Up Internet Access. The biggest problem my employer had was competition. The Company started out in the mid 90's offering Measured Dial-Up access for about $25.00 per month. By the time they sold out to a National ISP, competition had forced the company to offer flat rate Dial-Up accounts for around $15.00 and by 2005 the price had dropped to about $10.00 per month. The biggest concern in the marketing meetings was churn. The tendency for dissatisfied customers to go somewhere else. The company saw the hand writing on the wall, that dial-up was obsolete, so they sold their business to a national ISP.

If subscribers could look in their local telephone directory and find ten or fifteen companies offering broadband service, prices would go down, and abuses such as invasion of privacy would stop.

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TK, I do not believe that you understand the true issue here.
He understands perfectly, he just enjoys trolling and watching everyone get bent out of shape by his posts. I guess it's a retirement hobby. He's an investor in most of these companies; of course he wants a completely new metered pricing model.

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Oooo. He said "Socialist".

Congratulation on buzz-word compliance. Make sure to use them often. The points are redeemable for exciting gifts!

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

The oft repeated, but never proved, suppositions of those whose socialist beliefs and anti-corporate philosophies see the bogeyman behind any action not resulting in something for free for the masses.

God forbid anyone make a profit on their invested savings.
and your words are the oft repeated words of a corporate-backed society deluded that they can do no wrong no matter how many billions of *other peoples* hard-earned money they have squandered. your sense of entitlement is just simply astounding. if someone disagrees with corporate paleocon reagan-speak, suddenly they are socialist.

can we just agree to let talking-points be talking-points and actually take the facts for what they really are without adding any of your hannity-inspired, rush-induced right-wing delusions? its ok to root for the people too, tk.

q.

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Are you kidding? If you don't increase profits every quarter, your stock value crashes!

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What are they smoking?

What ever it is its messing with them ALIITTLE to much dont you think?

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I say

Mr. Dobbins can go shit in his hat.

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.

Can the picture of the guy in the "Big Brother is watching YOU" be changed to Obama's head?
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WTF?!

Do American ISPs want this? Would a cap that small not drive people back to dial-up/ISDN? I know it would for me. Would that not hurt the ISPs pocket book, if so y would they do this. Do most british ISPs do that? One final question WTF is that guy on?!
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Re: WTF?!

If you use Google you already are being watched. So what's the big deal?

The same thing goes to: AT$T, Verizon, Sprint and other ISPs/Telco customers. What's the big deal if it's already being done.

If you want lower prices yah we could set this up the same way they're doing it in the UK maybe we'd actually have faster speeds. And just because you have faster speeds doesn't mean you will reach your cap any faster either.
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Re: WTF?!

I don't mean the watching I don't care about that as much as the cap. I have a 512 connection right now and do way more than 10g. If a 10g cap is what it takes to get DSL/cable out here/faster speed I will stick with my 512/128 wireless.
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Re: WTF?!

10gig was the lowest tier. You can always go to a package with a higher cap. It seems that some people (not saying just you) only think that there are only 10gig caps because that's what Karl always reports on. But I'm afraid to tell you there are plans that cost more that give you a higher cap.

He FAILS to tell you that.
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Re: WTF?!

I know there r, and I would get a higher one if I were there. I just don't want 10g to become the "norm".
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Re: WTF?!

It wouldn't be. I know a lot of people that would take it. Hell its really a good way to get people off dial-up in the cities.

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LOL...

This is funny as this would imply tracking and logging, something the throttling case in Canada recently had Bell saying it wasn't doing!

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Lets start a new better ISP

If anyone knows of a good way to get funding to start an ISP with the intent of it becoming a Tier 1 ISP please let me know

I would be interested in starting such an ISP and I think it would be able to bring in people from the current major ISP's

these would be the founding ideas of such a company

No cap
very well defined QOS based on DSCP
ISP provided e-mail would be available (but not standard i.e. part of the package for noobs)
would be fully transparent (like teksavvy)
cable or fiber based (for last mile links)(no not DSL)
ISO certified asap
good support
and constant improvement of network hardware (a cycle would be worked out and any planned outages would be posted atleast a week in advance
and more

I think it would be a shining example of what could be done and would put shame to comcast, COX, ect

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This almost reminds me of the Nuclear Fission.....

"While Arbor may not want to talk about it, DPI's creepier implications led consumer advocacy group Free Press to last week issue a report (pdf) on DPI, warning that while the technology itself isn't necessarily bad -- the way in which it could be miss-used by carriers may be. Last fall University of Colorado law professor Paul Ohm made a similar argument, saying the modern ISP, thanks to new technological developments like deep packet inspection, poses the greatest privacy threat to American consumers."

..........

Atomic separation brought on Energy but also devastating bombs!

I think this is where, the same as the Nuclear side, rules are going to be needed to guide the planet on the dos and don'ts of these very useful, yet equally destructive, pieces of hardware!

The unfortunate piece of this is in finding out which entity will step forward first to put their foot down... I really hope it happens before too much damage has been made to our privacy and even worse our rights/lives!

I swear I've seen movies about stupidity like this! LOL
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Not on my DIME !!!

Welcome to Chinanada...NO MORE YOU TUBE !!

What's next you ask ?

Part two of the DPI story they don't want you to know about.
Read the entire Bill, it will be completely obvious what to expect next.

»www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublication···&File=33

They want what without a warrant or court order ?

Let's put all the thieves who stole a .50 cent song
(pun intended) in prison which will cost tax payers $60,000 a year to teach them a lesson, not to mention court cost's.
After all being as we are in a recession what better way to stimulate the economy than to put more people in prison right ?

Typical bureaucratic BS.

Internet security without question.
Enforcement of the music and movie industry on the tax payers tab not a %^&*$# chance.
Try putting a shop lifter in prison for stealing a pair of jeans.

I can think of the word "CAPPED" being used in a slightly different context, like a song or a headline.

After today's budget report and new tax grab by harmonizing the tax so the poor man has to pay tax on things we never had to before. That is not the definition of harmony to me.

You just completely stifled the Canadian economy but more importantly just recreated the black market.
Great idea, tax the poor families right at the beginning of a recession.
Who's the idiot that came up with that idea ?
Bet they never had to eat tuna out of a can or skip a meal so their kid could eat.

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