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| Re: does this include cable modems? Arris modems and EMTAs are superior hardware in my book. I think they should bring back the Jerrold or General Instruments branding if they need to rebrand the Motorola line.
As for Google, they deserve to lose the patent wars with Apple or be forced to license Apple's patents. Apple has been around much longer than Google and they truly innovate where Google is a copycat.
I remember the Mac vs PC wars in the '90s and everyone criticized me for liking Apple and when I was finally able to afford buying a computer in 1999, it was an iMac 333mhz in blueberry flavor. Now I own two MacBook Pros, a Mac Mini, an iBook, and several iDevices. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: does this include cable modems? said by IowaCowboy:As for Google, they deserve to lose the patent wars with Apple or be forced to license Apple's patents. Apple has been around much longer than Google and they truly innovate where Google is a copycat. You actually said this and mean it? You do realize the first Mac OS was a rip off of a XEROX OS. In fact most of Apples so a called innovations were because they bought someone else out. | |
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| | | | | Re: does this include cable modems? said by BF69:You actually said this and mean it? You do realize the first Mac OS was a rip off of a XEROX OS. In fact most of Apples so a called innovations were because they bought someone else out.
You do realize Apple licensed it from Xerox? IIRC Xerox sent engineers to Apple to help them out.
And you do realize Apple offered Samsung licenses too, right? | |
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Camden, TN | Re: does this include cable modems? said by itguy05:You do realize Apple licensed it from Xerox? Actually the stole it but putting that aside it still means they didn't INVENT it. So now LIECENSING something is the same as INVENTING something? | |
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| | | | | | | Re: does this include cable modems? said by BF69:said by itguy05:You do realize Apple licensed it from Xerox? Actually the stole it but putting that aside it still means they didn't INVENT it. So now LIECENSING something is the same as INVENTING something? Where did I say they invented the GUI? And it was a business transaction, not theft...
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| | | | "Apple has been around much longer than Google and they truly innovate where Google is a copycat." Nothing says innovation like taking things that have been around for years and trying to patient them and claim you "invented" them.
The whole mobile/desktop scene is nothing but a few people coming up with ideas and everyone else implementing that idea and saying they thought of it first. Apple, Google, RIM, Microsoft they're all guilty of doing it.
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| | | | | Re: does this include cable modems? Except when Apple takes ideas that have been in devices for years and brings them out it's suddenly revolutionary!!!
Apple's influence has helped change the industry and I have no problems giving them that credit, but they very rarely invent new things. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: does this include cable modems? Yep like how the Ipad is some great thing they designed when any Star Trek The Next Generation fans knows that the Ipad was on that show over 20 years earlier. | |
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Etobicoke, ON | said by IowaCowboy:As for Google, they deserve to lose the patent wars with Apple or be forced to license Apple's patents. Apple has been around much longer than Google and they truly innovate where Google is a copycat.
More like Apple deserves to lose out big time. Because adding rounded corners, drop shadows and skeuomorphic design is innovation, on top of a Fisher Price style OS too. Apple copies more than enough stuff and uses other companies patented technology without licensing their patents but expects others to license their crap. Please. It's a good thing that more and more of Apple's patents are being invalidated. Apple deserves a flew slaps in the face with their behaviour. | |
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| Re: does this include cable modems? I remember when Microsoft was king and 9 out of 10 software programs did not work on Macs. Now Apple is more valuable than Microsoft.
I've never owned a Windows PC and never will. The only way somebody is going to take my iPhone away if it succumbs to a pickpocket on the bus. | |
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: does this include cable modems? said by IowaCowboy:I remember when Microsoft was king and 9 out of 10 software programs did not work on Macs. Now Apple is more valuable than Microsoft.
I've never owned a Windows PC and never will. The only way somebody is going to take my iPhone away if it succumbs to a pickpocket on the bus.
I don't own either. They're both garbage. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: does this include cable modems? said by brad:I don't own either. They're both garbage.
You use Linux then? | |
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: does this include cable modems? said by itguy05:said by brad:I don't own either. They're both garbage.
You use Linux then? No. | |
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Seattle, WA | Re: does this include cable modems? Are you a FreeBSD user then? | |
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: does this include cable modems? No. It doesn't really matter what I use. I just don't like the truly mainstream OS's and that especially means Windows / Mac OS / iOS and Android.
I have used Commodore, Amiga, DOS, Windows 3 - 7, Mac OS 6 - 10, OS/2 2.1 - WARP, BeOS, Solaris 7 - 10, IRIX 6.5, FreeBSD 2.2 & 3, OpenBSD, NetBSD, SLS (Linux 0.99) and a handful of others. I like/liked aspects of Amiga, BeOS, OS/2 and *BSD's. | |
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Seattle, WA | Re: does this include cable modems? Mmm, I can definitely understand that, there are some very likeable aspects to the whole *BSD line, and BeOS/HaikuOS has always been something I'm interested in. | |
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I have used Commodore, Amiga, DOS, Windows 3 - 7, Mac OS 6 - 10, OS/2 2.1 - WARP, BeOS, Solaris 7 - 10, IRIX 6.5, FreeBSD 2.2 & 3, OpenBSD, NetBSD, SLS (Linux 0.99) and a handful of others. I like/liked aspects of Amiga, BeOS, OS/2 and *BSD's.
I haven't tried BeOS myself, but have hit the others on there, including HPUX, AIX, QNX, and even Vax VMS (yuck). | |
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: does this include cable modems? said by en103:I haven't tried BeOS myself, but have hit the others on there, including HPUX, AIX, QNX, and even Vax VMS (yuck).
I forgot mentioning QNX - Photon rocks. | |
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Camden, TN | said by IowaCowboy:I remember when Microsoft was king and 9 out of 10 software programs did not work on Macs. Now Apple is more valuable than Microsoft.
I've never owned a Windows PC and never will. The only way somebody is going to take my iPhone away if it succumbs to a pickpocket on the bus.
And I will never own an Apple product. Their famous 1984 commercial is highly ironic. | |
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| | | | | said by brad:More like Apple deserves to lose out big time. Because adding rounded corners, drop shadows and skeuomorphic design is innovation, on top of a Fisher Price style OS too. ...snip... It's a good thing that more and more of Apple's patents are being invalidated. Apple deserves a flew slaps in the face with their behaviour. They are called Design patents and it's the same reason you can't come out with your version of Nike Shox, Reebok Zig, a car that looks like a Camry, a Coach purse, Gucci shoes, etc. If you get it through the process you have every right to defend it.
And Apple's patents are not being invalidated. If you listen to people who know about the patent system the usual thing for patents that get challenged. Apple's patents were challenged (by an Anonymous source they claim) and the USPO usually rejects them so that a trial can be brought forward to see if they are valid. They say most patents that get this treatment are eventually declared valid. | |
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Etobicoke, ON | Re: does this include cable modems? said by itguy05:They are called Design patents and it's the same reason you can't come out with your version of Nike Shox, Reebok Zig, a car that looks like a Camry, a Coach purse, Gucci shoes, etc. If you get it through the process you have every right to defend it.
And Apple's patents are not being invalidated. If you listen to people who know about the patent system the usual thing for patents that get challenged. Apple's patents were challenged (by an Anonymous source they claim) and the USPO usually rejects them so that a trial can be brought forward to see if they are valid. They say most patents that get this treatment are eventually declared valid.
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| said by IowaCowboy:Arris modems and EMTAs are superior hardware in my book. I think they should bring back the Jerrold or General Instruments branding if they need to rebrand the Motorola line.
As for Google, they deserve to lose the patent wars with Apple or be forced to license Apple's patents. Apple has been around much longer than Google and they truly innovate where Google is a copycat.
I remember the Mac vs PC wars in the '90s and everyone criticized me for liking Apple and when I was finally able to afford buying a computer in 1999, it was an iMac 333mhz in blueberry flavor. Now I own two MacBook Pros, a Mac Mini, an iBook, and several iDevices.
Don't look now but Apple's patents ahve been assaulted by prior art and are in the process of being invalidated by the USPTO...everybody copies.
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Manorville, NY | Re: Concentration in STB area is a concern said by Linklist:The biggest problem area to be worried about is the further concentration in the STB arena. 1 less competitor means the cable companies will be charging more per month for STB rentals due to higher prices they pay for STBs.
Does Arris even make STB's in any significant capacity? If not, I don't think anything really changes here. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Concentration in STB area is a concern said by RickNY:said by Linklist:The biggest problem area to be worried about is the further concentration in the STB arena. 1 less competitor means the cable companies will be charging more per month for STB rentals due to higher prices they pay for STBs.
Does Arris even make STB's in any significant capacity? If not, I don't think anything really changes here. »www.arrisi.com/products/premises/index.asp
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1 edit | Re: Concentration in STB area is a concern Arris is really big on the cable-data side making some impressive head-end equipment (see their acquisition of BigBand too), in addition to a good line of modems and phone EMTAs.
However, they do not make a real set-top box that can currently be used by a cable company.
Those Media Gateway & Media Family devices are designed to be more of an IP player (while they say they support CableCard, I don't see anything referencing the application layer in their tech sheet). Neat tech but it looks like it's geared for an over-the-top video provider or IP Video distribution, but not any of the current traditional CATV providers.
This is a good acquisition as they've been pushing very hard in the cable-tech sector (and a hell of a win for investors if those sales figures are true). | |
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| | | | | | Re: Concentration in STB area is a concern said by kpfx:However, they do not make a real set-top box that can currently be used by a cable company.
The Media Gateway has 6 RF tuners and is intended as the "master" unit in a whole home DVR layout, with the slaves being attached to each secondary set. This is currently in deployment in several small cable companies. The unit is based on the Moxi interface from Arris' Moxi purchase some years ago.
This is a real STB, in use by several smaller operators. I don't know the reason it hasn't been more widely adopted, although it is pricey compared to some alternatives. Cool feature set tho. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Concentration in STB area is a concern Was gonna post that so thanks.... And look up the WOW! forums, as they are using it and the nightmares people are having with their "Ultra TV" service that has it. | |
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| | Motorola Home Does DOCSIS and GPON Last Mile Equipments If Google is disposing Motorola Home Unit, it means they have no interests or plans to pursue cable modems and GPON/XG-PON last mile technologies?
This move spills a lot of hints on Google Fiber and its directions. | |
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| Re: Motorola Home Does DOCSIS and GPON Last Mile Equipments Well they don't need cable modems, and their set top boxes were designed by them using some sage tv technology. Add in miracast, and to Google the set top business is not core.
I heard that google was OEMing their ONT, but it wasn't from moto anyways.
It's just a matter of time before Cisco dumps theirs also.
This is just a value buy for a dying industry. STB are going away, maybe you have a stick, or an IP STB, and the DVR will go into the cloud. If miracast and airplay continue, the why do you even need a STB, your tablet can do that? TV's will eventually be dumb monitors, and all of the decisions will be made off-board.
Also I was looking at the motherboard of the latest moto units when I had my FIOS one, and they are energy hogs and the motherboard has the density of something from the 90's. The innovation here is glacial. | |
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| | | | Re: Motorola Home Does DOCSIS and GPON Last Mile Equipments Moto holds quite some key patents for GPON/XG-PON tech that Google needs even if they're going OEM. They are considered one of the pioneers for GPON tech. Verizon had earlier trialed Moto XG-PON tech for future needs fust for references.
The emerging vendor that we should keep an eye on now is Ciena. They are in the carrier ethernet active service switch business. Cisco is not the only one strong in the Ethernet business. | |
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| Has anyone considered this angle AT&T U-verse used Motorola IP boxes that had Microsoft Mediaroom on it. Seems lately AT&T was buying from Cisco, perhaps they flexed some muscle along with Microsoft to get Google out of the picture.
While the cable-co's were prob a lil worried of Google's ideas on Moto boxes with Google stuff on them, then with Google Fiber directly competing with them, and the ability to own the network, and hardware for it. | |
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| | | Re: Has anyone considered this angle said by OSUGoose:AT&T U-verse used Motorola IP boxes that had Microsoft Mediaroom on it. Seems lately AT&T was buying from Cisco, perhaps they flexed some muscle along with Microsoft to get Google out of the picture.
While the cable-co's were prob a lil worried of Google's ideas on Moto boxes with Google stuff on them, then with Google Fiber directly competing with them, and the ability to own the network, and hardware for it.
Cable boxes are buggy enough - we don't need Microsoft's Crap Code anywhere near them. | |
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| inevitable this was inevitable once google bought motorola..
google wants no part of the cable-modem business as they are in the FTTP business (google fiber). although they'll probably keep a tight hold on any MOCA patents necessary to deliver data/tv/interactivity over coax in the last few feet.
arris modems seem rock solid.. IIRC motorola was working on the successor to docsis 3.0 and probably had some patent/intellectual property arris would like to get their hands on..
what's not so good is the price for a backup battery on the arris modems are a complete ripoff.. the makers of these batteries need to stop gouging consumers! | |
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| | | Re: inevitable said by tmc8080:arris modems seem rock solid.. IIRC motorola was working on the successor to docsis 3.0 and probably had some patent/intellectual property arris would like to get their hands on..
Everyone is working on DOCSIS 3.1, it's a standard. No one is going to have specific D3.1 IP that isn't going to be part of the standard, otherwise it's non-standard and incompatible with CMTS and other modems. | |
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