Ask DSLReports: U-Verse in BellSouth Territory?Wes Warnock, AT&T's lead U-Verse rep ( old news - 03:01PM Friday Sep 14 2007) tags: dsl · Fiber · business · exclusive · networking · AT&T U-VerseWe asked you last Friday to give us your most nagging questions, and we'd try our best to get you an answer. One of the top questions was whether AT&T has any plans to deploy U-Verse service into former BellSouth territory within a year or two, so we sat down with AT&T's U-Verse spokesman Wes Warnock to pick his brain. AT&T's U-Verse IPTV & VDSL service just passed the 100,000 user mark. The service, which offers 6Mbps VDSL and HD IPTV, is now available in limited portions of 25 metro markets. However, all of them so far have been in AT&T's original thirteen-state footprint -- leaving BellSouth customers feeling a little neglected. "We are absolutely planning our deployment in the Southeast," Warnock tells us. "We'll be entering the Atlanta market by the end of this year." "Right now, what we're doing is building up our network and putting in our video delivery infrastructure, getting the reprogramming agreements with local broadcasters, and putting all our installation and marketing plans in place."As it stands now, a leaked internal launch memo we've been tracking has St. Louis scheduled for November 5, Austin scheduled for November 9 and Columbus scheduled for December 24. Atlanta should be launched somewhere in between there, though AT&T wouldn't be specific. Warnock says that the company will be deploying to additional Southeast markets in "pretty short order."It's apparent that despite the merger, BellSouth is still somewhat of an independent animal. The company just launched a new suite of DSL bundles not available in AT&T territory, and DSL pricing and tier names remain inconsistent across AT&T and BellSouth territories. BellSouth is also now offering dry loop DSL for all tiers across their footprint, while AT&T's dry loop offerings remain scattershot. "We are working through the discrepancies between the offers and plans across our regions," says AT&T spokesperson Tiffany Nell. "We can't really speculate as to when these prices will come in line, it's a process," she tells us. As for U-Verse, the company still says that they should pass eight million households by the end of this year and 18 million homes by the end of 2008. But Warnock tells us those numbers don't include BellSouth territory. Updated numbers that include BellSouth's footprint should be coming your way in December, we're told. It's pretty clear that the real fusion of AT&T and BellSouth happens in 2008. The Need For SpeedWe, of course, had to ask Warnock about all the skepticism surrounding U-Verse's ability to provide "future proof" bandwidth, particularly in the shadow of significantly faster Verizon FiOS and eventually DOCSIS 3.0 technology. The company is currently offering only 6Mbps of useable non-video bandwidth, though their solution is capable of significantly more. "Frankly we are ahead of where we thought we would be with the fiber to the node architecture," Wes insists. "We're seeing a lot faster speeds. When we talk about the 25Mbps, we are talking about the bare minimum that we're seeing right now. Beyond that as you get shorter loop lengths we're seeing faster speeds and we're really pleased with that."We've seen reports of U-Verse gateways syncing at nearly 100Mbps, though we're talking about only 1,400 feet from the DSLAM. It seems that 25Mbps is working well at distances of 3,000 feet; distances higher than 5,000 feet are where the trouble starts. Faster speeds are coming, but the company still isn't being specific. During a recent investor webcast, the company only stated that additional bandwidth would be doled out sometime in 2008. "We've got pair bonding capabilities that are really going to allow us to increase bandwidth as needed, so as that happens, and compression technologies improve across the board you'll see new services and new offerings," says Warnock. More Fiber In Your DietAT&T's decision to deploy VDSL and FTTN instead of FTTH was done mostly to keep impatient investors happy and keep costs low. The telco will be spending less than a third of Verizon's FiOS budget on initial deployments. Some developments will get fiber to the home, however, so we asked Warnock to break down the numbers. "Of the eighteen million homes that we've announced to pass by the end of next year, approximately a million of those are fiber to the prem," he clarifies. "The rest would be fiber to the node." Despite the added capacity, those customers will see the same speeds their VDSL brethren see, as the company wants to create "a consistent user experience across the board," according to Warnock. VDSL or fiber, AT&T believes they're more than capable of doing battle on the TV front. "We're contantly developing new features that take advantage of our all IP-based platform," Warnock says. As we've noted repeatedly, AT&T's ability to deliver dual high-def streams to customers will be a real U-Verse litmus test. "We are the nations largest 100% IPTV provider. We have a pretty good track record so far and we're just going to build on that," he says. Party Poopers There was so much skepticism that U-Verse was a pipe dream, and again, we've proven that wrong... -Wes Warnock, AT&T | "DSLReports and plenty of other outlets have been highly skeptical of our strategy," Warnock admits. Said skepticism has focused on the belief that fiber is the future, and Verizon is putting itself on a much more solid long-term competitive path by deploying FTTH now. Warnock insists that U-Verse's growth rate is justifying the company's decision. "Last year we ended the year with three thousand subscribers," he says. "In pretty short order that grew to ten thousand -- and then fifty thousand at the end of the second quarter. In just around two months that fifty thousand is now a hundred thousand. We see that as pretty strong validation of what we're doing." He also points out that two years ago the skepticism was focused on whether AT&T could even do high definition TV, or whether IPTV would work over their network at all. "There was so much skepticism that U-Verse was a pipe dream, and again, we've proven that wrong and I feel like we're continuing to execute on our strategy and perform well in the marketplace." Related:- FiOS Kills Copper (Or Does It?)
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| Great Article! By far one of the best article on DSLReports to date!
I wish I had added a 2nd part to my question, which was: How does AT&T feel about the current Fiber setups that BellSouth installed (IFITL, DFITL, and MX) and how do they plan to play those into their U-Verse service, at all? Currently, IFITL customers do not need a DSL Modem, rather they plug directly into a 10mb port at the pedestal. Unfortunantely, the equipment doesn't support speeds greater than 1.5/256. Prior to AT&T's merger with BellSouth, Tellabs was working with BellSouth on hardware upgrades for IFITL customers. I'm not sure if those plans were changed, or if AT&T has some idea to incorporate Tellabs technology and offer a different service to the IFITL customers? -- YourIP.US - It's Your IP .. and more! rr.cx - Personal Site.. coming soon. | |
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| Re: Great Article! said by Rob :By far one of the best article on DSLReports to date! I wish I had added a 2nd part to my question, which was: How does AT&T feel about the current Fiber setups that BellSouth installed (IFITL, DFITL, and MX) and how do they plan to play those into their U-Verse service, at all? Currently, IFITL customers do not need a DSL Modem, rather they plug directly into a 10mb port at the pedestal. Unfortunantely, the equipment doesn't support speeds greater than 1.5/256. Prior to AT&T's merger with BellSouth, Tellabs was working with BellSouth on hardware upgrades for IFITL customers. I'm not sure if those plans were changed, or if AT&T has some idea to incorporate Tellabs technology and offer a different service to the IFITL customers? "BellSouth" is still rolling out their FITL-MX platform, and it is safe to assume that there will be a U-Verse solution for that technology, given it is FTTC. I don't know, though, about other services such as IFITL/DFITL/FITL-A. Vendors are still working on new products that will bridge the gap. No primary vendors have "jumped ship" or been cut off due to BellSouth's adaptation to AT&T's deployment strategy. | |
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| Great Interview Karl Congrats.
Wes, assuming you'll read this which certainly may be the case given you know how skeptical some around here have been..I'll give it to you straight.
First, it's no secret at all that I'm probably one of the most outspoken Uverse critics around this site. Some attribute that to the very false impression that I either work for comcast, or am paid in some fashion by them. Both couldn't be further from the truth. My going on 8 year history here was spent mostly in the RR forum..and I've only been with Comcast since the adelphia buyout earlier this year.
What I am..plain and simple..is a consumer who's simply calling it like I see it. And mainly, comparing it to what I ALREADY have. And that should matter to you because it's what your company is up against.
What I also have seen in my lifetime is one of your predecessor companies..namely ameritech..ALREADY try to enter the cable tv business and try to win not only my business but many other ohio residents as well during my years living there. And, for all intents and purposes..they failed at it. It's WOW (wide open west)..who made it work after you sold it to them. What that shows I think is how hard it is to crack the TV market that is so dominated by the cable tv industry. It's the SAME problem that cable operators have in cracking the telco industry. But they are doing it because of the perceived quality of their Digital voice offerings..not to mention the huge savings people can realize for the feature rich, long distance included..service.
I would start out by saying that I totally disagree with you. I think that 100k customers by now..out of your huge service area and all the markets you're already serving..and homes you already pass..is a failure.
You have 17.3 Million broadband customers nationwide. And 100k uverse customers. That is not good..no matter how you try to paint it. One can also look in these BBR forums and see the excitement levels around both your companies and verizons rollout as well. FIOS..is exciting. It's new. It's next generation. People are clamoring for it...want it. Now.
Uverse? I see VERY little of this. And that's not because I'm down on it. It's because the majority feel this way.
Why do I feel this way? Do I have a personal grudge with AT&T? No. Not at all. It's just that I think your company can, and should be..doing much better. You should be the leader and the one rolling out the real next generation technology to compete with the cable co's.
The problem is several fold. First, entering such an established market..you have the natural decades long affiliation people have with their cable TV service. And, that's hard enough to crack on it's own. But yet..you want to do it with your copper lines that simply are carrying with it a decades old stigma. And people question how it's going to deliver tomorrows hdtv..hsi..phone..as you have promised it can.
You are rolling out a service that in terms of speed..is delivering people 6Mb..that's REALLY 5.5 in disguise counting overhead. Mr Warnock..today, I receive 4 times that with comcast. Four times that and we aren't even talking about their up and coming docsis 3.0 rollout..slated to begin next year.
Sir..last year and even the year before..we heard a lot about uverse. But it always seemed to be..hurry up..and wait. And, as you state..at years end..you had 3,000 customers. That gives the perception of problems. Of vaporware..if you understand that term. And, with people like me simply not believing your companies speech. It seemed designed to head off the competition..to offer something that was still very much on the drawing board.
And today..25 or more markets later..with a LOT of homes passed..it's still 100k customers. That is NOTHING in terms of your service area. You are the largest telco apparently on planet earth now. 100k people is NOTHING and you SHOULD have that many people..even with your rollout in your own corporate backyard.
STOP MAKING EXCUSES MR WARNOCK. And realize the writing that is on the wall.
What is being discussed everywhere is the perceived failure of this service. The lack of excitement about it. And the reasons why people believe this is the case. To simply save AT&T and it's shareholders some money. NOT to deliver a world class next generation product.
WHY..do I care? For two reasons. First..there is NOTHING inexpensive about Comcast. It's not overly expensive for what we get..but they operate at this point as if they control the technology world. And perhaps it's because they DO..and can get away with it. The cable industries increases the last decade have been HUGE percentage wise...and without real competition..there is nothing that will stop that.
And, I'm trying to give it to you straight..and tell you that if a uverse salesman shows up on my doorstep..there's nothing I see that will sell me on going with AT&T at this point. Is your price less? Yes..I guess so..but so too do you get less. And I'm not interested in less for my money. And neither is the millions of people who subscribe to cable.
What else do I worry about? This is your NEXT Generation service Sir. This is tomorrow and 2010 for AT&T. If we're REALLY going to compare this..then we have to compare it with DOCSIS 3.0.
Sir..docsis 3.0 is going to kill your company.
I'm just not sure what you'll have left when that rolls out. And, I'm not being overly pessimistic either. I'm just calling a spade..a spade here. From this customers point of view.
You say that uverse can go faster. I hope it can. But what I fear is that you'll be getting into the same scenario that many dsl customers have faced. A service of haves..and have not's. Where some get the higher speeds..and many don't. This is not the consistent service that cable co's provide for the most part. It's very inconsistent at best.
The bottom line for me is that there is NOTHING i'd like to do more than to see AT&T get with the program. The REAL program. And do what Verizon is doing..and go with FTTH.
As you know sir..that rollout will take years. Which is why it's so important to start now. Verizon management didn't just sit around one day and decide they'd love to have to blow 5 times as much as AT&T is. They saw the writing on the wall. The same writing I suspect that I write about here.
And, you know what? It's paying huge dividends for them now. Look at the excitement..and THEIR customer growth.
It takes money..to make money.
It is TIME for AT&T to start spending it if you want to reap the same returns.
In closing I will say that there is NOTHING that is preventing me from changing my avatar and BBR name once again..in the future. Nor preventing millions of cable customers from signing on with AT&T.
That depends though, on you...offering US..something we really want.
AT&T...FTTH.
Do it now.
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| Re: Great Interview Karl But, that's not totally how it works.
For example, when I cut off the landline and LD I was previously paying for..and switched to VOIP..I was literally able to reduce my HSI cost..in this case..comcasts 42.95/mo fee..down to zero.
My argument for a long time now has been that DSL is not the cheap service it has been portrayed to be. Both in terms of the slower speeds..and the landline you're forced to get along with it..it can be downright expensive actually in comparison to the BMW/Lexus you portray a cable hsi connection as being.
Consider for a minute a 1500k dsl connection..(that doesn't even deliver those speeds w/ overhead). If that's 20.00 a month or 24.00 a month even on a dry connection..that works out to a WHOLE lot more money than my 6Mb comcast connection does at 42.95 month Not to mention the up to 20Mb speeds we get with powerboost when you look at that in terms of the actual speeds you're getting.
DSL costs less..because you get less. And, in many cases..and depending on how it's packaged..cable can actually be much cheaper than a telco solution. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl Good promo Rick.
You know, you mention nothing in this post regarding stability. Probably going to get flamed just for mentioning it, but who cares.
Price, price, price, that's all people like you whine about, kind of like they did back in the early eighties, yeah, look where that got us. I think you and Clark Howard would get along real well here.
I have 3 neighbors here that would claim just the opposite. DSL costs less because you get less, wth is that? Last time I checked Crapcastic commercials always debate apples to oranges, ya know 256 to 6M. Oh and the neighbors I've mentioned, no probs w/ Fastaccess to date, hmm, go figure.
I for one am looking forward to Uverse, I've witnessed FIOS at my relatives house in Red Bank NJ and yes, I was a bit jealous. Lot of work behind the scenes that no one even knows about. Hey, people are going to like what they like and then the next week they'll like something else, it's all good. | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl My Comcast service is very stable. As is everyone's who I know. As for price, I've made numerous posts here at BBR stating my position being I think that whether it's DSL we're talking about or cable, I think both represent an outstanding value compared to where things used to be.
My point regarding price is in response to others who attempt to continually point out DSL as being the "cheaper" alternative. The chevy if you will, versus the BMW or Lexus.
They certainly have one thing right. Cable is, for the most part..the lexus compared to most dsl plans.
But that isn't true in terms of price many times. More and more, it's about how these services are packaged that determine the real price.
A 1.5Mb DSL plan for 20.00 that comes with a requirement that one must take a phone line in order to get it is NOT the cheaper alternative to a cable customer who pays 42.95 month for 20Mb powerboost speeds and who doesn't want that landline.
In fact, anyway you look at that scenario..it's the DSL plan that is expensive.
And so, why pay BMW prices for that chevy, eh? -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl With all of these analogies to autos, then we should be able to apply the Lemon Law to both telcos and cablecos. As for Comcrap, you should feel fortunate that you live where they don't have the signal issues that a major metro area has. Entire sections working fine next to areas that are completely FUBAR. As far as price went, I've had both ATT dsl and Comcrap. I hate them both. The only positive things I could say about dsl is 1)it's not dial up and 2)they didn't raise their price every 6 months like cable. I moved so now its cable. For basic cable I'm paying $69 and 49 for HSI. But yes, at least I have a choice. So you say I have a lexus with comcast huh....feels like a '74 ford maverick to me! -- Burn a tire, but make sure you buy that carbon offset! | |
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| But what about those who are happy with purchasing a Chevy and driving 55 MPH instead of a Lamborghini because they don't "need" to drive 155 MPH? I will gladly take a lesser bandwidth tier if I can save money...and so will a majority of consumers. Most consumers don't need your 20 Mbps connection for $42.95/mth when they can get 1.5 Mbps for $20. Perceived cost is the real cost for most consumers. | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl Apparently, you still aren't following me. Or, are choosing not to.
You keep painting DSL as being walmart..saying people shop there because it's cheaper and they get what they want.
Tell me. How is dsl..aka the chevy in your scenario above...cheaper in ANY respect when you're going to pay 20.00 ~25.00 per month for it PLUS have a forced bundling requirement in the form of a landline you HAVE to have to get it...when, for the same money..a cable customer who does not want that landline decides to pay 42.95 per month for up to 20Mb service?
The cable customer is then getting the BMW/Lexus for the SAME COST..or even less..than the walmart customer is getting their 1.5Mb line for.
Isn't dsl in that scenario the far more EXPENSIVE option, no matter how you want to look at it?
And, as long as there is this forced landline bundling scenario, that is EXACTLY how consumers should look at it. They should reject your notion that dsl is somehow cheaper. You keep pointing to these low introductory dsl priced specials and saying LOOK! Here's the walmart of the telco industry. And that is EXACTLY what AT&T wants to try to portray.
The reality is FAR different because in terms of speed AND in terms of how consumers can now choose to bundle other services..cable can be the REAL value all the way around.
And, you know what? People are now wising up to this fact. It's why AT&T is starting to drop the landline requirement. Because they see that younger people are just fleeing those landlines left and right..and simply don't want them anymore.
When there is no landline requirement..THEN..I can agree with your assessment that then MAYBE dsl can be the cheaper alternative. But..it's still going to be about paying less..for less speed. And comparing apples to apples..and that 1.5Mb and the much higher speed of cable..it's still always going to be expensive in those relative terms.
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| Re: Great Interview Karl said by Rick :When there is no landline requirement..THEN..I can agree with your assessment that then MAYBE dsl can be the cheaper alternative. But..it's still going to be about paying less..for less speed. And comparing apples to apples..and that 1.5Mb and the much higher speed of cable.. it's still always going to be expensive in those relative terms. Considering that a lot of DSL customers are no longer required to have that terrible landline, I guess we can all agree that DSL is the lower cost alternative to cable's more expensive offering. And the only relativity that matters is the money coming out of my wallet. I'll wager you that 9 out of 10 times, the average American consumer will see it the same way. | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl "Considering that a lot of DSL customers are no longer required to have that terrible landline, I guess we can all agree that DSL is the lower cost alternative to cable's more expensive offering."
I certainly wouldn't call it..a lot of people. Some yes. And AT&T is moving in the right direction on that.
But still, many times when you take out the landline, the dsl costs soar. And becomes no bargain at all.
But again, even taking out the landline..let's take a look at it.
A 1500k line for 24.00 versus a 6Mb with powerboost up to 20Mb for 42.95.
A 19.00 month difference divided by 30 days. We're talking about pocket change here..63 cents per day.
Is that extra 18,000k speeds worth that? I SURE think so. I think it's a HUGE value compared to that DSL line. It is flat out 12 times the FULL speed of that DSL line for just 63 cents per day more. And again, that is based on the unbundled dsl price..assuming someone can even get that now. What does that say about how expensive DSL is when you have to factor IN the landline? It's VASTLY overpriced IMHO.
But..granted..for a very budget conscious consumer who wants to do nothing more than surf and email..perhaps that 1.5Mb line is enough. And, if 23.95/mo is all they can afford, then so be it. But I just don't see how anyone can really arrive at it being the better value.
No way is that the case.
Again though, my point is that by eliminating that landline..and going with VOIP..many people can realize the extra savings that way to MORE than make up the 63 cents per day difference and to actually make Cable LESS expensive than virtually any form of DSL. Really, it's like getting the lexus for less than a cheap chevy's price. | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl "I would _really_ like to see (if anyone could provide) the % of customers at each rate on cable, dsl, etc. How many customers are satisfied with their current rate (speed)? How many want to pay more for higher speed ?"
Great point! and one Mr Rick misses every time.
He sits there pontificating based on his views and the views of this site....but of course he has no clue what the most people want.
they want speed FASTER than dial up. most cant tell the difference. when that changes so will the industry...it aint there yet...no matter what he says.
Who do i think has a clue....Rick or the biggest ISP in the country!!!!!!
He can call me a Troll if he wants....but actually what he wants is to subdue competition.
Comcast Rick?
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| Re: Great Interview Karl Hob, about all I can add to this is that if that 50 cents a day difference that it all amounts to between having a 1.5Mb slowsky dsl connection..and a 20Mb HSI cable connection really matters all that much to you..
then truly..I'm sorry for your financial predicament.
But, the fact of the matter is..for many of us who don't have and certainly don't want a landline..that difference is even less. Or..perhaps even non existent. It certainly is in my case, with all the savings I realize from voip.
I'm really not sure how or why all this escapes you. Based on your own statements contained in a post or posts on this website, one could only assume that apparently you're an employee of a Cable ISP. Is that how little you think of your own company and industry? Are you really this unable to differentiate between these offerings..and choose instead to make the competition the leader in your own mind?
If so, I sincerely hope that you will reconsider your own position..and perhaps even start applying for a position with AT&T.
It seems you would be happier with them.
Sad to say though, I 'm not sure they'll be hiring much longer. Losing as many landlines as they are..and offering nothing but slow connections overall isn't a good prognosis I fear for their future.
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| Re: Great Interview Karl "Hob, about all I can add to this is that if that 50 cents a day difference that it all amounts to between having a 1.5Mb slowsky dsl connection..and a 20Mb HSI cable connection really matters all that much to you.. then truly..I'm sorry for your financial predicament."
I think you have me confused with someone else. I have not mentioned cost in any of my posts.
"Is that how little you think of your own company and industry? Are you really this unable to differentiate between these offerings..and choose instead to make the competition the leader in your own mind?"
I am not making anyone the leader...not sure how you deduced that. I welcome competition in the market place. Competition benefits customers and I am a customer. You are telling the world that a service sucks because its not as fast as your connection. I am saying that in the market place, speed is not as important as other things AT THIS TIME. Quality service, home grown support, the ability to bundle and convenience are all more important to the average customer.
Speed is not the first thing in peoples mind....for the average customer. As I said before...as long as its faster than Dial up...and good value people will come.
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| Re: Great Interview Karl My posts re: uverse and AT&T encompass a wide range of issues I have with them. Certainly not just speed..although it is one factor I address.
Those factors include overall value of dsl versus cable hsi.. their marketing schemes.. this being their next generation service.. their use of public access ways to install vrads.. their tearing up roads to deliver questionable service that many already have access to.
My points are all very well thought out and relevant.
Really Hob..you and others should just move on from the bashing, misquoting and misinterpretation of my posts and into something more constructive. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl I see and because your posts are well thought out and relevant no one should be allowed to disagree and debate the subjects you bring up.
including speed as that has been your main focus in this thread.
I understand now.
Sorry.
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| Re: Great Interview Karl said by hobgoblin :I see and because your posts are well thought out and relevant no one should be allowed to disagree and debate the subjects you bring up. If what you did was just that, I'd have no problem at all. unfortunately..you rarely stop there and instead choose to take everything into something of a personal nature. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl "If what you did was just that, I'd have no problem at all. unfortunately..you rarely stop there and instead choose to take everything into something of a personal nature."
I believe there is a very fine moderator group on this site who will respond and remove offending posts if you flag them.
When you challenge the Biggest ISP in the country in public you have to expect that people will challenge you. People are interested whether you have extensive experience in marketing and supporting High speed products and Video services or whether you are sitting in your parents basement typing.
These are not personal attacks, its a follow up discussion.
Hob -- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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| Re: Great Interview Karl said by hobgoblin :When you challenge the Biggest ISP in the country in public you have to expect that people will challenge you. People are interested whether you have extensive experience in marketing and supporting High speed products and Video services or whether you are sitting in your parents basement typing. These are not personal attacks, its a follow up discussion. Hob LoL..jeesh. Really? I have to expect that people will challenge me about this issue? You're real late to that party my friend. I've been challenged about it for a year before you arrived on the scene to join in the fray.
And, let me get this straight. People are interested in whether I have extensive experience in marketing and supporting high speed products in order for me to express an opinion?
Again..I think you have it all wrong..and are continually in violation of this sites terms in challenging ME on THAT issue. If you would care to challenge me on the CONTENT of my posts ie: point out where you DISAGREE with the point itself and can point to a better argument..that is one thing.
But to challenge ME on MY personal knowledge is flat out wrong..and again. Against the site terms. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Lets compare...
$24.95 + $10 POTS = Internet + dialtone $42.95 = Internet
$34.95 -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| Rick you are hilarious
"What is being discussed everywhere is the perceived failure of this service."
Everywhere? We were talking about Football, The Yankees and Red Sox and what we are doing tomorrow night. Not a word about Uverse.
"I receive 4 times that with comcast."
Really...You have a 22 mb service or POWERBOOST? Apples to Ferrets as usual.
"If we're REALLY going to compare this..then we have to compare it with DOCSIS 3.0."
So now you are comparing it to something no one has? Good one.
You are funny!
Hob -- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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| Re: Great Interview Karl "Everywhere? We were talking about Football, The Yankees and Red Sox and what we are doing tomorrow night. Not a word about Uverse."
Last I checked, we were at Broadbandreports.com...not nfl.com. Did you take a wrong turn somewhere? Here, let me guide you back. »www.nfl.com/
"You have a 22 mb service or POWERBOOST? Apples to Ferrets as usual."
Really, I don't see it that way at all. Comcast delivers these speeds very consistently for many of the things I and others use the net for. It certainly covers general surfing..emailing..uploading and downloading good sized files..updates..programs we download. And, it's also been my experience that depending on the time of day, powerboost can certainly last longer than some have portrayed it. At most offpeak times, in fact..I can download the full OOL test file at full 20Mb + speeds. So, does that make it a 20Mb + service? I'd certainly say it does. I realize that when you were working at adelphia, our predecessor company..we were only getting 4Mb but things certainly did change when Comcast took over. I guess this is what the net is supposed to be like..eh?
And, re: Docsis 3.0: you say "So now you are comparing it to something no one has? Good one." And, when exactly do you think that uverse will be available to most people? Is that right now? Isn't AT&T's projections for it continually all about what 2008 and 2009? Isn't it then only fair to compare that with Comcasts and others stated plans for that time frame?
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| Re: Great Interview Karl Rick,
The word everywhere means
in every place or part; in all places.
not just this forum inhabited by a handful of people. Some of us have a life.
but you knew that.
Who knows what Uverse will be offering when Docsis 3 gets to your area...you don't.
Competition is good..I am sure you agree with that..and anything that competes is good...again you agree with that.
Your tirades remind me of an auto designer who would never make a car because it could not compete with a Rolls Royce.
Hob
and now....you don't have a 20mb service..you have a great marketing ploy called powerboost...which fools fools.
smoke and mirors -- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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| Re: Great Interview Karl We have discussed this Rick....as I am in the business and able to actually solve peoples issues first hand my post count clearly reflects that.
So you think because the Comcast CEO managed a 150mb speed that this will translate itself to Mrs Jones at number 23? 
Oh I see... to compete you have to build something bigger and better.
Whats Verizons total investment so far in Fios?
Hob -- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: good article, thanks for the answers I agree... AT&T hasn't futureproofed... lets all hope that this is a launch to get them into the market, and they upgrade as needed (or can afford to). -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| Agreed--great article!
So here's the question: Do you go for the whole enchilada at once a la Verizon (FTTH right away), or part-way today, the rest of the way later (FTTN)? Clearly, ATT has chosen the latter strategy. Time will tell if it's the best approach. It's probably more expensive in the long run but less risky.
Would I get U-Verse? I don't know yet. As a resident of a Raleigh suburb, it doesn't look like I'll have the opportunity to make that decision for quite a while yet. Ultimately, it depends on the packages and prices offered, what TWCNC offers at that time, etc. Right now, we're in a TWC 'grey hole' where we have broadband, but it's only 5M/384k for standard service and 8M/512k for "RR Premium". If U-verse, at 6M down (not sure what upload is rated at), provides dedicated bandwidth(as opposed to a potentially-oversold cable node) and the price is right, such service wouldn't be 'mediocre' around here...  | |
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