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09:15AM Wednesday May 27 2009 by Karl Bode
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Over the last few years, Australian lawmakers have been enamored with the idea of Internet filters, spending almost a hundred million on filtering technology that a teenager was able to circumnavigate in just a few minutes. The desire to erase all naughty bits from the 'Net culminated in a different, $125.8 million Cyber-Safety filtering system -- opposed by most ISPs as impractical and technically impossible. The plan was to include two blacklists -- one which filters illegal material (no opt-out) and another that filters material deemed offensive by the Australian government (users can opt out). But political support is weakening and now even the plan's primary supporters are backing away from it, causing consternation among religious groups eager to see the filters implemented.

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huh.

Always religion.

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Re: huh.

said by tomkb See Profile :

Always religion.
have you heard of political correctness, also speech codes ?

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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

... have you heard of political correctness, also speech codes ?
Yeah right, but I don't have to fuckin follow some asshole code as a matter of fuckin law do I?

If these jerk offs can't keep a leash on their fuckin rug rats, and behave like responsible parents, perhaps they should be charged with child neglect, and have their offspring housed in a fudi home for wayward kids.

Jesus fucking christ! Didn't know Australia had so many of these moronic religious fundies. Why don't they simply burn their computers along with their list of banned books and leave the rest of the population alone? At least Australia won't allow them to burn people, although give em time, and they may demand that "right" too. Disgusting whores!

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Re: huh.

said by TamaraB See Profile :

said by DaveNJ See Profile :

... have you heard of political correctness, also speech codes ?
Yeah right, but I don't have to fuckin follow some asshole code as a matter of fuckin law do I?

If these jerk offs can't keep a leash on their fuckin rug rats, and behave like responsible parents, perhaps they should be charged with child neglect, and have their offspring housed in a fudi home for wayward kids.

Jesus fucking christ! Didn't know Australia had so many of these moronic religious fundies. Why don't they simply burn their computers along with their list of banned books and leave the rest of the population alone? At least Australia won't allow them to burn people, although give em time, and they may demand that "right" too. Disgusting whores!

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Re: huh.

said by NormanS See Profile :

When you make them burn their computers, and take their kids away from them, you become them.
Make them? Nawww.... encourage them! As far as rug rats are concerned, neglect is already a crime. If they allowed their kids to drink Jack Daniels for dinner, child protective services would snatch them up in a minute. How is it any different if they allow their lovelies to watch porn? Why is the Internet any different than any other activity which they are responsible for?

Isn't CONTROL by someone other than themselves what they really want though? To have their big space-daddy (in the body of government) control their entire environment, spank them when they are bad, reward them when they are good, and party with them forever in the sky when they die? If they can't control their own offspring, then they should have aborted the damned things.

This attitude they have, that the entire world should jump through hoops to protect them from what they object to, that somehow their morals are to be the lowest common denominator, and the world is responsible for protecting them, is disgusting. Most of these hypocrites call themselves "conservatives", abhor government control of anything; until it comes to their religiosity, then all hell has to bend to their wants. Hypocrites!

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said by tomkb See Profile :

Always religion.
I want to know why things are always blamed on "religion" and not "those religious people."
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Re: huh.

Same reason guns are blamed for shootings.

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Re: huh.

said by DrModem See Profile :

Same reason guns are blamed for shootings.
That's dumb if it wasn't for religion they wouldn't be religious and thus wouldn't be full of shit.

How many people were executed OFFCIALLY by the Catholic Church of the centuries? MILLIONS. Is that not religion not religious people. Funny how you same people don't mind blaming Islam( a religion ) and not the fundamentalist( a religious person ) for violence in the middle east and terrorist acts. I always get a laugh when people twist facts to form their version of the truth not matter how contridictory, illogical and hypocritical it is.
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Re: huh.

How many people were executed officially by the various (non-Catholic) states over the centuries? Hundreds of millions. Rome wasn't Catholic when they fed Christians to the lions. Attila wasn't Catholic when he stacked the heads of the citizens of various cities at the city gates when he conquered them. A certain Buddhist daimyo annihilated his Shinto opponents on the way to establishing Buddhism as a religion in Japan.

Why are you singling out the Catholics, in particular, or Christians, in general?

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Re: huh.

said by NormanS See Profile :

....
Why are you singling out the Catholics, in particular, or Christians, in general?
Because they have committed atrocities in the name of their bloody religion right here?

And if allowed to they will do worse!

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Re: huh.

Yeah, that's really likely to happen nowadays.

Who's the nutty bastard?

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So what about Stalin, how many did he slaughter in the name of atheism? Oh there is no mention of stone throwing in atheism.

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Ok, well I'm guessing this thread gets worse from here, and it's getting a bit off topic.

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DNS based

Why dont ISP just offer it as a service, where you get a different DNS plan depending on what you want ? This should be a normal thing they offer. They could ever farm it out.

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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

Why dont ISP just offer it as a service, where you get a different DNS plan depending on what you want ? This should be a normal thing they offer. They could ever farm it out.
Silly pragmatist. If filtering was a commodity that anyone wanted to buy, it would not satisfy the moral outrage of the religious nutjobs who want to impose their world views on everyone else.
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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

Why dont ISP just offer it as a service, where you get a different DNS plan depending on what you want ? This should be a normal thing they offer. They could ever farm it out.
Silly pragmatist. If filtering was a commodity that anyone wanted to buy, it would not satisfy the moral outrage of the religious nutjobs who want to impose their world views on everyone else.
Oh you mean like college professors ?
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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

Oh you mean like college professors ?
Last time I checked there wasn't a movement by any college profs to filter the Internet. Keep it on topic.

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Yeah that retort didn't make any sense.

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Yeah that retort didn't make any sense.
There are still forcing there beliefs on others, meaning colleges. What doesn't make sense about it ?

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said by nonSequitur :

Yeah that retort didn't make any sense.
There are still forcing there beliefs on others, meaning colleges. What doesn't make sense about it ?
You elected to take the class. If you dont like their teaching find some other teacher that has the same views as you then.
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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

said by nonSequitur :

Yeah that retort didn't make any sense.
There are still forcing there beliefs on others, meaning colleges. What doesn't make sense about it ?
You elected to take the class. If you dont like their teaching find some other teacher that has the same views as you then.
They elected to live there, if they dont like it find some other country, that has the same views as them -sarc, does that sound right ?
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said by major marco See Profile :

If filtering was a commodity that anyone wanted to buy, it would not satisfy the moral outrage of the religious nutjobs who want to impose their world views on everyone else.
Exactly--- that's the issue. People believe it's "wrong" and they don't want to see it or face temptation from it. They want it gone.... but not just for themselves---- they don't want ANYBODY to be allowed to see or read / use things they object too.
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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

Why dont ISP just offer it as a service, where you get a different DNS plan depending on what you want ? This should be a normal thing they offer. They could ever farm it out.
In the US and EU, you can already do this by using the OpenDNS service. I am sure a service could be setup in Australia to do the same thing.

OpenDNS blocking options:


Strictest category(High):
* Adware
Sites that distribute applications which display advertisements without user's knowledge or choice. Does NOT include sites which serve advertising.
* Alcohol
Sites about alcohol use, commercial and otherwise.
* Chat
Sites where you can chat in real-time with groups of people. Includes IRC.
* Classifieds
Sites for buying and selling (or bartering) goods and services.
* Dating
Sites for meeting other people.
* Drugs
Sites about illegal or recreational drug use.
* File storage
Sites that offer space for hosting, sharing and backup of digital files.
* Gambling
Sites that offer gambling or information about gambling.
* Games
Sites that offer game play and information about games (news, tips, cheat codes).
* Hate/Discrimination
Sites that promote intolerance based on gender, age, race, nationality, religion, sexual orientation or other group identities.
* Instant messaging
Sites that offer access or software to communicate in real-time with other individuals.
* P2P/File sharing
Sites that facilitate the sharing of digital files between individuals, especially via peer-to-peer software, including torrent sites.
* Social networking
Sites that promote interaction and networking between people.
* Video sharing
Sites for sharing video content.
* Visual search engines
Sites for searching for images based on keywords.
* Weapons
Sites about weapons, commercial and otherwise.
* Webmail
Sites that offer the ability to send or receive email.
* Photo sharing
Sites for sharing photographs, as individual images, galleries and albums.
* Adult Themes
Sites that are adult in nature and are not defined in other rating categories. Note: This category should only be turned on if you want to be very restrictive on your network.
* Tasteless
Sites that contain information on such subjects as mutilation, torture, horror, or the grotesque.
* Lingerie/Bikini
Sites displaying or dedicated to lingerie/bikini that could be considered adult-only.
* Proxy/Anonymizer
Sites providing proxy bypass information or services. Also, sites that allow the user to surf the net anonymously, including sites that allow the user to send anonymous emails.
* Sexuality
Sites that provide information, images or implications of bondage, sadism, masochism, fetish, beating, body piercing or self-mutilation.
* Nudity
Sites that provide images or representations of nudity.
* Pornography
Anything relating to pornography, including mild depiction, soft pornography or hard-core pornography.
* Forums/Message boards
Sites with discussions, including bulletin boards, message boards and forums.
* Phishing Protection
By enabling phishing protection, you'll protect everyone on your network from known phishing sites using the best data available.

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Yup, I'm already using some of those features of OpenDNS. The only things I use it to restrict are malicious sites and parked domains. But it DOES work and it's a great additional layer to my machine protection. If the DNS won't allow a machine to navigate to a URL, the firewall and AV software don't even have to do anything!
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Shocking I tell you!

Another filter project with problems. Just all too shocking.

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Another filter project with problems. Just all too shocking.
Yeah, go figure... huh?
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Thou Shalt Not Offend

Religion is one of the most offensive subjects that can be found on the internet. Make sure that sites providing religious material, of any denomination, are also put high on the list to be filtered.

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Re: Thou Shalt Not Offend

Except if you a University of Chicago student using facebook.

»www.thefire.org/index.php/article/10573.html



The Philadelphia-based Foundation for Individual Rights in Education compained about the incident in February, says Adam Kissel, a director at the group.

"The University of Chicago is claiming the power to censor off-campus, disrespectful, allegedly disrespectful speech," Kissel says.

The incident began in January, when a U of C student posted a photo album on Facebook naming his ex-girlfriend in the title and exclaiming "(she) cheated on me, and you're next," says Kissel.

The album included pictures of his ex-girlfriend, along with photos of the male student with several other people.

The male student's friends started commenting on the album. Two of them called the woman, whose name has not been released, a "whore."

The university got involved when the woman complained to the dean of students and said she felt libeled, Kissel says.

The U of C asked the male student to remove remove his girlfriend's name and picture from the Facebook page or face possible disciplinary action, Kissel says.



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Re: Thou Shalt Not Offend

This "tu quoque" argument just doesn't work. It's like a desperate tactic to sidetrack because there is just no way to defend the broad, arbitrary censoring of the Internet by the government for an entire nation.

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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

“Spreading the wealthYour phoney morality around” never results in a better outcome for people. It always results in destruction Hypocrisy and Fascism.

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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

Except if you a University of Chicago student using facebook.

»www.thefire.org/index.php/article/10573.html



The Philadelphia-based Foundation for Individual Rights in Education compained about the incident in February, says Adam Kissel, a director at the group.

"The University of Chicago is claiming the power to censor off-campus, disrespectful, allegedly disrespectful speech," Kissel says.

The incident began in January, when a U of C student posted a photo album on Facebook naming his ex-girlfriend in the title and exclaiming "(she) cheated on me, and you're next," says Kissel.

The album included pictures of his ex-girlfriend, along with photos of the male student with several other people.

The male student's friends started commenting on the album. Two of them called the woman, whose name has not been released, a "whore."

The university got involved when the woman complained to the dean of students and said she felt libeled, Kissel says.

The U of C asked the male student to remove remove his girlfriend's name and picture from the Facebook page or face possible disciplinary action, Kissel says.



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I would imagine that any decent attorney would scare the university pretty bad. While they can require one to behave in a certain manner on campus, I do not think that they can dictate how a student behaves off campus (excluding university functions).
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Too funny

I too am a OpenDNS user and I was showing it to a colleague the other day and he too noticed that I was only blocking the phishing, Hate/Discrimination, and RELIGION.

So he asked "why religion?" and I could only reply... "to each his own". I don't like to offend the religious folks as I think you should be able to do whatever the hell you want in life.

I just wish the religious people felt the same way. However they usually like to tell me that I am "going to hell someday."

It is a little irritating though when they keep telling me that and all I ever tell the religious types is "have a great day."

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Re: Too funny

Would you have the same acceptance of blocking politics as well ?

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Re: Too funny

said by DaveNJ See Profile :

Would you have the same acceptance of blocking politics as well ?
He's doing it on his own computer so WTF do you care what he blocks? That's the whole point. Filtering should be done by the INDIVIDUAL not the ISP. This cerap hads nothing to do with protecting children from porn. That's the parents job anyways. It had to do with preventing adults from accessing porn because believe me if the Jesus freaks could get their way porn would be banned form the internet even for grown ups. Sorry I'm over 18, I pay my taxes adn I can die for my country so I don't need and didn't ask you to save my soul.

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Re: Too funny

said by BF69 See Profile :

...That's the parents job anyways. ...
Correct! Seems these idiots want the state to take responsibility for what is THEIR job. It's called irresponsible. Jesus ain't come yet folks, don't try to make the government into the kingdom of god OK? Of course there ain't no fuckin god, but what the hell, they are free to believe their delusions if they choose, just DON'T TREAD ON ME. Keep your religious perversions, along with your sexual perversions behind closed doors, and we will all be happy.

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Even though the comment about religion was slightly out of line (if the shoe fits...)

Personal filtering is not public filtering. I can filter out porn, gambling, Barney and SpongeBob all I want, it still doesn't give me the right to force everybody else on the block to stop watching SpongeBob...
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Imagine if Governments were handed the power to block content. Now imagine the Government had to block everything everyone considered offensive.

Hello, Taliban.
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Great-impossible to fiddle with (censure)-in free countries- lets keep it that way!
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