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kudos:5 | Re: How do you id the owner? said by 51200853:I am confused on how they are going to id the owner in big apartment building? Queensland is pretty rural. Not many apartment buildings. The only city of any size in that state is Brisbane.
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Niagara Falls, ON | Re: How do you id the owner? said by Linklist:Queensland is pretty rural. Not many apartment buildings. The only city of any size in that state is Brisbane. Wow, what a narrow, ignorant view of Queensland. The entire Pacific Coast of Queensland from Gold Coast on the NSW border to north of Brisbane is all urban, and that's where 90% of the state's four million people live. Saying that Queensland is "pretty rural" is like saying New York is pretty rural, and that the only city of any size in that state is New York City.
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kudos:1 | Re: How do you id the owner? said by Snickerdo:said by Linklist:Queensland is pretty rural. Not many apartment buildings. The only city of any size in that state is Brisbane. Wow, what a narrow, ignorant view of Queensland. The entire Pacific Coast of Queensland from Gold Coast on the NSW border to north of Brisbane is all urban, and that's where 90% of the state's four million people live. Saying that Queensland is "pretty rural" is like saying New York is pretty rural, and that the only city of any size in that state is New York City. I have been to both, and compared to the US eastern seaboard, Queensland is very rural. Heck, just NYC alone has twice the population as all of Queensland. I would move to Queensland in a heartbeat if I could get a better job than I have now, but you could not pay me enough to go to most of the eastern seaboard. Well, maybe not Brisbane, it is growing too fast and they have been building houses too close together the last I saw, but there were some nice areas near by.
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Niagara Falls, ON | Re: How do you id the owner? said by RayW:I have been to both, and compared to the US eastern seaboard, Queensland is very rural. Heck, just NYC alone has twice the population as all of Queensland. I would move to Queensland in a heartbeat if I could get a better job than I have now, but you could not pay me enough to go to most of the eastern seaboard. Well, maybe not Brisbane, it is growing too fast and they have been building houses too close together the last I saw, but there were some nice areas near by. With regards to the topic in question, saying it would be easy to find wifi due to Queensland being "rural" is a misnomer. There's over four million people in the state, the majority of which live along the coast from Gold Coast up through Brisbane and inland to Toowoomba. There are also a few cities further north on the coast that have about 150,000-200,000 people each. All of the wifi searching is going to be going on in some large urban areas. To assume that Queensland is all outback and kangaroos is a stereotype that you guys stateside seem to prove all too often, sadly.
I guess a better example would have been Ontario. 13 million people, the majority of which live along the Western end of Lake Ontario, including one of the largest cities in North America. Just because we have vast vast vast stretches of wilderness in the north that would put Queensland to shame does not mean we're a rural province. Then again, you guys probably all think we wear toques year-round and take a dogsled to work. 
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| Re: How do you id the owner? said by Snickerdo:Then again, you guys probably all think we wear toques year-round and take a dogsled to work. What about the Molsen & back-bacon? 
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Keller, TX | said by Snickerdo:To assume that Queensland is all outback and kangaroos is a stereotype that you guys stateside seem to prove all too often, sadly. I know...
People in the "highly populated" areas of the north eastern US tend to make the same stereotypical mistake about Texas, and it's in their own country! | |
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Forest, OH | Competition Governments don't like competition in the stealing of inheritance's | |
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join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN
1 edit | Re: Competition Ya, LOL
Someone tell those Australian police that WEP and WPA can easily be cracked.
Edit: and WPA2 AES too....just use CUDA to crack using your Nvidia graphics card (Multiple stream processors) | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Competition said by Pv8man:Ya, LOL Someone tell those Australian police that WEP and WPA can easily be cracked. WPA, how, unless your going to brute force the password? | |
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join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | Re: Competition I use my graphics card using CUDA.
Using your graphics card instead of your CPU is like having a mini personal mainframe, my card has 120 stream processors | |
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| | | | | | Re: Competition said by Pv8man:I use my graphics card using CUDA. Using your graphics card instead of your CPU is like having a mini personal mainframe, my card has 120 stream processors Ah, you got that as well. Indeed, using your GPU speeds up the process infinitely. | |
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join:2002-04-05
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kudos:1 | said by Pv8man:I use my graphics card using CUDA. Using your graphics card instead of your CPU is like having a mini personal mainframe, my card has 120 stream processors Its still going to be a few days. Not 15 mins. You can crack your neighbor's wifi, you won't crack one from your car. | |
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join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | Re: Competition No I never saidf 15 min, you just have to wait in the car until someone is connected then you send a de auth packet, making them reconnect.
Then once you captured the 4 way handshake packet, then you can take it home to be cracked on gpu | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Competition said by Pv8man:No I never saidf 15 min, you just have to wait in the car until someone is connected then you send a de auth packet, making them reconnect. Then once you captured the 4 way handshake packet, then you can take it home to be cracked on gpu Not quite, the fastest GPU that I'm aware of can do 11,000 KPS
Supposing the user used a large random characters key, your GPU would need a mean time of well over 100,000+ years.
That is assuming the best of conditions -- using a high speed linux tool like Jack The Ripper
Now suppose even a short key that is random - suppose 16 Characters - even then you will be waiting years and years. | |
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join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | Re: Competition not really, They have gone far past 11,000 kps.
»bvernoux.free.fr/md5/index.php
It won't take hundreds of years if you have Four Nvidia Tesla GPU's all SLI | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Competition Ok, where to start here...
First that is for MD5 hash sums, Not for RC cipher used on a standard router.
secondly much of the work is precomputed - the WPA cipher "salts" the pass-phrase based on the SSID making it immune to this type of attack ( even with a Precomputed hash table it still only works with dictionary attacks)
Completely wrong on all counts | |
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| | | | | | | | |  winsyrstrifeRiver City BouncePremium
join:2002-04-30
Brooklyn, NY
1 edit | Re: Competition said by DataRiker:The key is only as strong as one wants it to be. Using a simple keys like the video is highly misleading. The cipher is WPA is not broke nor has there even been a DEMONSTRATED weakness. A complex key will stop a bruteforce attack in its tracks. To be clear, I'm not trying to disagree with here, but, I feel it's safe to say, the majority (80%? Maybe I'm being too generous) of WPA keys are not complex. Maybe the comments should be pointing to the end-users' weak password complexity, instead of outright saying WPA is weak / WPA can be cracked with ease.
Given that, the video is indeed misleading to prove it's own point.
I don't think that app would fare too well against a password in 3 different languages with unique slang and random numbers.
-Edit-Replied to wrong post  , but you should understand if you read all the replies.
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Hmm, so you're going to spend $7k+ ($1500 per GPU, $500 for a Mobo, $500 for other components) on a rig so you can crack WPA passwords on people's $50 internet connections? Come again? | |
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join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | Re: Competition No, I'm just saying for the sake of saying. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | More info plz? | |
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join:2001-03-05
H3B
kudos:1 | How long does it take to crack a 63 byte password filled with unintelligible gibberish? | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Competition not long. For kicks I did my friends when I brought my computer over to his house. 2 4870's cracked his network in under a minute :P. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Competition said by cpsycho:not long. For kicks I did my friends when I brought my computer over to his house. 2 4870's cracked his network in under a minute :P. Then that was not a complex key as you suggest.
As for the answer to his question - a long random key (over 8-10 characters is sufficient to deter even the fastest GPU's) | |
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join:2001-03-05
H3B
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1 edit | Re: Competition So 63 characters should be reasonably secure, such as the following password.
F5+}pAS6+GB"GpQ}I@Ky[gUa9^!JivBwfBTOF{>{ (Password courtesy of »www.grc.com/password) | |
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| | | | | Re: Competition It's done like this....
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej52mNHs49A
Granted you need to have the key in your password list it's still possible and I am sure there are plenty of people out there that do not use random gibberish as their key. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Competition The key is only as strong as one wants it to be. Using a simple keys like the video is highly misleading.
The cipher is WPA is not broke nor has there even been a DEMONSTRATED weakness.
A complex key will stop a bruteforce attack in its tracks. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Competition "The key is only as strong as one wants it to be."
The vast majority of users don't care or know any better so this is a valid attack method. Many people take the attitude that no one will mess with their stuff so why bother with a strong password. | |
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| |  badtripI heart the East BayPremium
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Albany, CA | said by Pv8man:Ya, LOL Someone tell those Australian police that WEP and WPA can easily be cracked. Edit: and WPA2 AES too....just use CUDA to crack using your Nvidia graphics card (Multiple stream processors) Yep WEP, WPA, etc, etc only keep the honest people of your network. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | that is a ton of effort to freeload some wifi though, if you are going through that much effort to get free internet then odds are you are really aiming to commit a crime like ident theft or distro child porn.
because someone wanting free web will find an open AP or one with WEP which can be done in a few min with a basic app.
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winsyrstrifeRiver City BouncePremium
join:2002-04-30
Brooklyn, NY |  Strictly for end-user security purposes
verifying content blocked by the newly implemented content filters does not exist on users' PCs seeking out unsecure networks, but it is calling on the private sector to help out with equipment and expertise.
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join:2002-11-29
Woodside, NY | Can they wait until after I leave I'm heading there in August, can they wait until Sept 2 at least.
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| | | Re: Waste of taxpayers money. Your right. Is there so little crime down under that they have to occupy their time by looking for potential crimes?
Geez, what happens when they hear about airsnort?
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join:2004-02-13
kudos:2
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| oh boo hoo We have enough government interference as it is. What people decide to do w/their own equipment is with in their own means of jurisdiction.
Aussies... your Pr0n filter was full of fail, and this is just as bad.
Seriously will SOMEONE think of the children! THINK OF THE GRANDPARENTS!
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Woodside, NY | Good thing I have a wifi finder app on my iTouch It makes finding wireless so much easier.
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I know this because a friend of mine does this on the Gold Coast, QLD. | |
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join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL Reviews:
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| So what's next? Ok, so now its been decided an open Wi-Fi is soooooo bad a police department feels the need to drive around neighborhoods and tell folks they left their Wi-Fi unlocked. Last I knew, just about anywhere on this planet, it is illegal to walk into a persons house uninvited. But apparently leaving your house, apartment, or condo door unlocked is not worthy of their attention. What a waste of tax payers money. | |
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Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | Re: So what's next? said by Stumbles:Last I knew, just about anywhere on this planet, it is illegal to walk into a persons house uninvited. But apparently leaving your house, apartment, or condo door unlocked is not worthy of their attention. What a waste of tax payers money. Where did you come up with that fantasy. Nowhere in the news item is any mention of anyone walking in to someones home uninvited.
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| | Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | Re: So what's next? Apparently you cannot read and draw analogies, so step back into your fantasy. | |
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join:2009-06-09
Washington, DC | Re: So what's next? I live in DC and I did get a note left on my gate by a police officer when I left it unlocked. I consider it a public service, and it tells me that they are patrolling the area. So yes, I get your analogy, and I think that it's nice of them. | |
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Betcha they have a deal with Telstra. Because for every unprotected WiFi network, Telstrea might just be losing a few bucks a month for oe of their horribly capped DSL plans. | |
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join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:6 | Attention QLD -- please Open your Hotspots Rather than securing your unused network resources so that they continue to be wasted, why not figure out a way to open them up?
Let some traveler piggy-back on your system and maybe, when you're in their neighborhood, they'll let you piggy back onto theirs!
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join:2007-02-19
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| Re: Attention QLD -- please Open your Hotspots Sounds like Fon (»fon.com).
ISPs don't like that. However if the ISPs did it (provided routers with a public SSID and a private one) that'd actually be pretty cool. Thinking about starting an ISP with that typa router myself (a standardized router might also take one link out of the chain of possible faults on the consumer side that would merit a truck roll when one wasn't needed). | |
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deadzonedPremium
join:2005-04-13
Baton Rouge, LA | Wow Talk about peeing into the wind...
I wonder if they will provide a value-added service like setting up security on the offending devices that they find? Perhaps they could design a really informative, but scary, power point demonstration that could be shown at each offending residence.
In all honesty, this sounds like a really stupid idea.
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| Stumbles
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Port Saint Lucie, FL | Re: Wow Value-added plus public servants. That does not compute. | |
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join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
1 edit | Re: Coming to a police force near you? It would not surprise me if their equivalent of the mafia, I mean RIAA/MPAA are the instigators in their decision to provide this "value-added" service. | |
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| | Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | Re: Coming to a police force near you? I would not be suprised if the riaa and mpaa have their hands in this as well.
They were tired of people winning in copyright cases where peoples routers to download from p2p networks, and they want to close that loophole | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Coming to a police force near you? Which case was that? | |
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| | | NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:9 Reviews:
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| said by Pv8man:They were tired of people winning in copyright cases where peoples routers to download from p2p networks, and they want to close that loophole The only significant RIAA copyright case was an epic fail for the defendant. Twice.
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join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | Ok, look... The bottom line is that the ones who really want to get into your network will have all the time in the world to do so.
What AP security does for the average owner is keep the losers out, the ones who will just hop onto anything that's open and screw around. Presented with any real challenge they'll just move on to the next target.
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| | Australian Police Even though Australia seems like this country they have no "Bill Of Rights" as we know it here. If they think a crime is being committed in an investigation they can kick your door down if you do not answer, you also have no rights to self incrimination and have to answer questions.
So by launching an investigation presumabily to warn people about unsecure wi-fi they are in fact looking for illegal sharing (for money) of wi-fi connections using (legal) range boosting equipment.
They could do the same here but you don't have to answer the door or answer questions about legal equipment on your roof or let them look at your computer.
Who knows what else they may discover in this bogus "investigation" once they start getting into peoples computers (without a warrant) ! | |
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join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | Load of Crap.. Yep. This is completely a load of crap. Does found familiar, though.
At my house, I have a secure AP and an insecure public AP (128k throttled access). If I hear anyone whine that one AP isn't secure, I'd be glad to give them my bill and say "You wanna pay this?". That'd shut them up.
I built and own my own network, and someone else is telling me how to run it? Bite me. If I want to give my neighborhood free internet access, it's my choice.
Since I have NO caps here, I don't mind giving away a small slice of our internet (15mbps package). The private network is on it's own port on the router/firewall and the public router is only allowed access to the internet.
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Load of Crap.. If it's Bresnan SImba7 is lucky to be getting the full 15 Mbps. If it's another provider then they may actually be fine with 'net sharing i the TOS. | |
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|  joebarnhartPaxio evangelist
join:2005-12-15
Santa Clara, CA | Yep, me too... I also run a secure and unsecured wireless at my house. Only I didn't bother to throttle the unsecured wireless -- I just leave it at 802.11b. Passers-by can't possibly use enough bandwidth to bother me since I have 100M/100M FTTH internet (»www.paxio.com).
The SSID is my public email address -- I thought someone might send a message of thanks for the free internet, but it hasn't happened yet. | |
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join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | Re: and id tell them to stop tresspassing I 2nd that sir...
"No warrant, no search...period"
But then again, that's Australia...not USA
but apparently here in the USA these days,
refusing an unreasonable and unwarranted search and seizure usually get's you landed in jail for refusing to obey an officer.
Then the cops usually try to add on extra charges like saying the person was being "uncooperative, and out of control" | |
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