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| Re: Its more expensive than that..... said by wifi4milez  :Dont forget to add the cost of the landline also. I have the cheapest package Verizon offers and the phone bill is $45 per month. Add any DSL package and I would be paying almost $70. DSL? FORGET IT, GET CABLE!!!! maybe if you weren't buying a 'package' try a local exchange plan. usually about 1/8th the price of your 'package' | |
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Flanders, NJ | Re: Its more expensive than that..... Then $45 isn't a bad deal, Comcast charges $60/mo for cable internet without TV. | |
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West Boylston, MA | Re: Its more expensive than that..... How about $20 a month for a dry pair DSL at 768/128? Or $35 a month I think for the 3m/768k plan. Add unlimited calls through vonage its about $50 with tax or through sunrocket $42. That's about the same or less than a cable line without TV. | |
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join:2003-01-29
Lynnwood, WA
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| You pay $45/month just for a dial tone and still have to pay 10 cents per minute for Local calls??? That's just crazy.
Why don't you get VOIP? I have zipglobal and it's 2 cents a minute for anywhere in US/Canada and $3/month. It's gone out like once in the past year. | |
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| Re: Its more expensive than that..... said by voyager6868 :You pay $45/month just for a dial tone and still have to pay 10 cents per minute for Local calls??? That's just crazy. That's local service in NYC for you!
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Philly burbs | Re: Its more expensive than that..... Wow, I'm paying about $12/mo + fake taxes for just dial tone and an unpublished number (no caller ID, no LD service, etc).
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How do you like these Apples
join:2001-11-28
Medina, OH | Re: Its more expensive than that..... I am in the same boat as you are with Verizon. My Cable Modem plus Voicepulse is less expensive than $40 for a landline with caller id/ voicemail and 29.99 for DSL. | |
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Brooklyn, NY
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| said by wifi4milez :said by voyager6868 :You pay $45/month just for a dial tone and still have to pay 10 cents per minute for Local calls??? That's just crazy. Why don't you get VOIP? I have zipglobal and it's 2 cents a minute for anywhere in US/Canada and $3/month. It's gone out like once in the past year. Trust me I have VoIP! I use Broadvoice as my primary phone and it never runs me more than $20. The landline is just there for emergencies. LAMO... you're the favourite type of the telcos... 
Seriously, nobody in NYC would do the same - this is the place where you can choose between 3-4 DSL package, at least one cable but in many areas two and countless of VoIP... | |
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join:2003-01-29
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| Couldn't you get some kind of pre-paid cell phone that would cover you for emergencies, or don't they have that kind of thing where you live? Here I can get a cell phone, just for emergencies for $10/month and it gives me about 40 minutes/month.
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15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT | Re: Its more expensive than that..... The wife and I switched from Nextel to Boost Mobile. Our monthly cost dropped from $96 to $14. One need only put in $20 every 3 months, per phone, to keep the numbers active. Same coverage, better phone. We're happy. | |
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join:2002-08-03
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1 edit | Re: Its more expensive than that..... SBC with all the frills (unlimited long distance, caller ID + 2 other features) with DSL Express came to $67 last month. I upgraded to Pro for $3 more, so it looks like my bill be the equivalent of his with a better service plan. The Earthlink VoIP plus 8Mbit offer (available in a few metro areas) for $70 looks pretty sweet, comparatively speaking. | |
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join:2002-10-03
| said by wifi4milez :said by maverick215 :said by wifi4milez :Dont forget to add the cost of the landline also. I have the cheapest package Verizon offers and the phone bill is $45 per month. Add any DSL package and I would be paying almost $70. DSL? FORGET IT, GET CABLE!!!! maybe if you weren't buying a 'package' try a local exchange plan. usually about 1/8th the price of your 'package' That is incorrect. I literally have dial tone ONLY. 10 cents per minute for LOCAL, plus a varying LD rate. The worst part is that I only have this landline as a backup in case the power goes out (or 911 is needed), it has never once even had a call placed on it. I would say it is quite correct. like I said 'usually'; on another note I find your situation absurd, hmmm... now that I think about it, isn't the phone company required to maintain 911 ability on every line, 'current' or not? atleast that is what a phone company in my state told me, when I worked for them. | |
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Its more expensive than that..... My cell phone costs the same no matter if I pick AT&T or Comcast. | |
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Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-20
| As with most of the cable versus DSL debates; this must be looked at at the local level - making sweeping claims about which is better/cheaper is narrow.
I live in QWest territory, who offers naked DSL - sure to get the best rate I need a bundle of services with QWest, but the same is true of the cable (charter) in my area.
So the landline cost argument does not apply to me.
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| Re: Its more expensive than that..... Fair enough, and NYC is a huge market compared to mine. I don't argue that cable is not the best choice in some or maybe even most cases (I would have to really think about that); I just hate seeing wide-spread claims "cable is the best, Windows is the best, etc." Your statement "DSL? FORGET IT, GET CABLE!!!!" taken in context is probably accurate; I am just pointing out that independent research of local options is necessary before coming to a decision.
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Kansas City, MO
| However, if you are looking at a history of anti-competitive practices, consumer fraud in unclear and misleading fees, then by all means FORGET ILEC DSL and GET CABLE!
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| Re: Its more expensive than that..... Oh yeah...cable companies have never defrauded, mislead or fleeced their customers... I feel so fortunate being forced to pay for 190 channels I have no interest in just to get the 10 I do watch. Man, it gives me warm fuzzies every time I open my monthly love letter from Comcast.
For the record: Landline ($17 including fees, taxes and Big Ed's Slush Fund) + 6016/608 DSL ($45) still beats the crap out of what Comcast charges for comparable cable modem service in these parts, and my rate has not changed in over two years.
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| Re: Its more expensive than that..... First, I never said cable was free from monopolistic tactics. Far from it.
However, much like elections on the federal level, we must choose the lesser of too evils. And quite honestly, the Bells have been defrauding consumers and blackmailing government far longer than cable has.
$17 for a local phone line? I wish I lived where you did. Here the cheapest line you can get runs around $25-30 depending on which part of the state line you are on and forget about LD or other bells and whistles like call waiting and caller ID.
In that $17 price are you including all the taxes and fees? Because the fees alone on a local line here are in the range of $10-15.
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welcome to the social
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Snohomish, WA
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| Re: Its more expensive than that..... said by TelecomJunky :In that $17 price are you including all the taxes and fees? Because the fees alone on a local line here are in the range of $10-15. It's just about $17 in my neck of the woods as well including taxes...so for my DSL plus phone I'm paying a total of $50. Usually my phone bill ends up at about $60 with my long distance calls to Europe. | |
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15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT
| said by RadioDoc :For the record: Landline ($17 including fees, taxes and Big Ed's Slush Fund) + 6016/608 DSL ($45) still beats the crap out of what Comcast charges for comparable cable modem service in these parts, and my rate has not changed in over two years. THat must be the Expert Plus package, which, around CT is $79/mo. You're getting a great deal. Is that with 5 static IPs?
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| Re: Its more expensive than that.....It's the $44.95 "grandfathered mistake" dynamic deal from late 2003. They've got it available again for $49.99 though. I have it at the office and at home, and it's sweet.
And yes, my local POTS bill before usage is ~$17 including all the ups and extras:said by my latest bill :Monthly Service - Jan 28 thru Feb 27
Line Charge 9.00
Federal Access Charge 4.50
Total Monthly Service 13.50
Local Calls
Direct Dialed Calls
0-8 Miles
22 Call(s) at Day Rate .66
34 Call(s) at 10% Evening Discount Applied .68
71 Call(s) at 40% Night/Wknd Discount Applied 1.42
Total for Direct Dialed Calls 2.76
Day Rate: Mon-Fri, 9am-11am, 2pm-8pm
Evening Rate: Mon-Fri, 8am-9am, 11am-2pm, 8pm-9pm - 10% Discount
Night/Wknd Rate: 9pm-8am, Sat/Sun/Holidays - 40% Discount
127 Call(s) made this month averaged $.0212 per call
Volume Discount Savings applied to calls made this month .06 CR
Total Local Calls 2.70
Surcharges and Other Fees
9-1-1 Emergency System
Billed for Western Springs 1.00
State Infrastructure Maintenance Fee .08
State Additional Charges .01
Infrastructure Maintenance Credit .79 CR
Federal Universal Service Fee .45
IL Universal Service Fee .05
IL Telecom Relay Svc and Eqp .08
Total Surcharges and Other Fees .88
Taxes
Federal at 3% .48
Illinois at 7% 1.11
Municipal Telecommunications Tax .95
Total Taxes 2.54
Total Plans and Services 19.62
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15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT | Re: Its more expensive than that..... Oh, that's a tier we don't have here.
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join:2004-02-28
Fayetteville, AR
| said by wifi4milez :Dont forget to add the cost of the landline also. I have the cheapest package Verizon offers and the phone bill is $45 per month. Add any DSL package and I would be paying almost $70. DSL? FORGET IT, GET CABLE!!!! I knew it wouldn't take long for this to be brought up. Who would have thought so soon though? Anyhow, $44.61 is what I pay for landline and 1.5/384 DSL service monthly. This price could probably be reduced by going with measured service. I understand people in different places pay different prices, but the blanket statement that DSL is more expensive because you have to have a landline is just false. Period. | |
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join:2001-05-14
San Luis Obispo, CA
| Re: Its more expensive than that..... said by Heterman :said by wifi4milez : I knew it wouldn't take long for this to be brought up. Who would have thought so soon though? Anyhow, $44.61 is what I pay for landline and 1.5/384 DSL service monthly. This price could probably be reduced by going with measured service. I understand people in different places pay different prices, but the blanket statement that DSL is more expensive because you have to have a landline is just false. Period. damn you guys pay alot over on the east cost. I pay 17 for a landline with 3 cents a minute long distance and 15 after taxes on AT&T DSL. My bill is usually around 35-40 a month. | |
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join:2003-01-19
New York, NY | I am not sure what OP is talking about. My total Verizon landline phone bill in Brooklyn is $32-35/month, this includes call waiting and I do use this line for regular local calls too. 3.0 Mbit DSL adds another $32. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Here | Cost per sub or per speed? People are getting faster speeds. Faster speeds cost more... ergo... | |
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Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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| Re: Cost per sub or per speed? said by bogey780 :People are getting faster speeds. Faster speeds cost more... ergo... Actually, as technology progresses, faster speeds become cheaper to provide... ergo... | |
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Atlanta, GA
| Re: Cost per sub or per speed? said by Matt :said by bogey780 :People are getting faster speeds. Faster speeds cost more... ergo... Actually, as technology progresses, faster speeds become cheaper to provide... ergo... Not necessarily, if the infrastructure is not available to support higher speeds it must be built out. Backhauls to POP's may also need upgrades. That can increase cost substantially... ergo...
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join:2004-03-19
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| The cost to provide the service goes down. Has nothing to do with the price.
The headline is misleading as the price has remained static or lowered while people are paying more for more service. Though I guess someone needed something to offset the cries that cable internet costs too much. | |
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join:2000-08-14
Orange, CA
| At some point, companies have to make money Let's not forget that Comcast, Verizon, etc. answer first and foremost ot shareholders. These $14.95 deals are nice, but like most things, prices go up.
With the telco consolidation however this means less competition at the consumer level. Businesses alwasy pay more for telco services, to subsidize the consumer. I suspect things are going to even a little more out so that businesses are not subsidizing as much. Bunlding will be the only way the consumer will save (very little) money IMHO. | |
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Don't blame me. I voted for Ron Paul
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join:2004-11-17
Inman, SC
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| Re: DSL up, overall costs a wash Your OneLink actually should be faster than the shared line. Having the dedicated circuit will actually boost your stats to the CO, thus giving you better throughput.
Just a word of advice, do NOT use the Briteport modem from SE (if you are more than 12,000 feet from the CO), use a Westell 6100 (get 'em for cheap on eBay). The Westell work wonders on the S/N margin, however if you are under 12,000 feet from the CO use the Briteport. | |
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Aw Man
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join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD
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| Re: DSL up, overall costs a wash said by King P :Your OneLink actually should be faster than the shared line. I'm hoping so! My first DSL line, I was 5600ft from the CO. Every change since then, the distance has increased. I'm now at 9500ft. So I'm worried that the OneLink distance will be even longer...plus I have to hope for a solid pair of copper for it to work over.
said by King P :Just a word of advice, do NOT use the Briteport modem from SE (if you are more than 12,000 feet from the CO), use a Westell 6100... Will see what happens after it's installed. If I'm over 10000ft and/or my S/N is poor, I'll strongly consider that. Thanks! I also have an older Zyxel to try as well should I have S/N problems.
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Kansas City, MO
| You make an excellent point. I would rather pay a little more for stand-alone DSL from an Independent guy or cable and use VoIP so as few of my dollars as possible are going to Bell.
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Cork
join:2000-02-26
Fruitport, MI
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2 edits | save a few bucks "on average, about $39.18 a month"
Even at $39.18 a month, I'd save $3.74/month,PLUS have triple the upload, with current Verizon deals around here, of my Charter cable. 
But, even though I'm less than 6,000ft from the CO/ATM, the best Verizon can for me is 1.5/256 speed. I'll keep my Charter and the 3/256. Which, for me has been very dependable for 5+ years.
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join:2003-07-01
Boynton Beach, FL | and taxes My 39.95 month cell phone plan actually costs me $51 when all the taxes get added. | |
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join:2004-01-22
united state | Re: and taxes Yeah, taxes on cell phones in just craziness! | |
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join:2002-04-08
San Antonio, TX
| I wish companies would be ethical about the "taxes" and other bs they add onto a bill.
Before contracting into my cellphone, I asked t-mobile, what would be the total cost of a $40 plan after taxes, reg fees, etc. The guy couldn't tell me. He said it's usually around x amount of dollars or x% of $40, but I never got an exact amount like $48.30. The same goes for TWC when I got their digital tv package. They couldn't tell me how much my bill would amount to after the ted turner tax, gulfstream v tax, etc. | |
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| This discussion is omitting the folks who have stepped up to the next higher speed plan, which costs more than what they had before. That also increases the "average price" people are paying. We see a lot of these upgrades in the SBC/Ameritech forum. In fact, there is an avalanche of them every time SBC runs a promo. So yeah, they're paying about $10 more, but getting 2x or 4x the speed as well.
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join:2005-01-27
·Verizon FIOS
| Don't forget... those other fees so that the homeless can have dialup and internet from their steam vents.
(ok, that was low).
But seriously, only .06 more? And not tally in the fees, taxes, surcharges and that fee for the Spanish-American War...
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Kansas City, MO
| Re: Don't forget... The point is average prices went up while ILECs dropped their rates from $39.95 to $12.99. The average should have been reduced not increased. Thus, any increase in the average is alarming.
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join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
| Behind the numbers "Between 1991 and 2004, the average local monthly phone bill jumped 23%, from $19.77 in '91 to $24.31 in '04."
I would hope the blogger would provide the "TIA and FCC data" that was used to arrive at these numbers. I'm really curious what the change is when adjusted for inflation. Of course for a blogger that would be work.
"But in 2006, TIA says, DSL subscribers will jump to 19.3 million, but the average cost per month will also climb -- to $39.24 a month."
Holy crap, 6 cent increase! I dunno man, that 72 cents this year is really going to break my bank.
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join:2005-10-16
Auburn, PA
| For me it is the opposite I live in Rural PA and was paying betweeb $85-115 a month for my POTS ALONE, no DSL! The freedom package was finally offered this December and now my bills are less than $50. I realize the is only a small case but I just saved a bunch, hope it wan't subsidized by the rest of you  | |
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join:2005-12-12
Kansas City, MO
| Re: For me it is the opposite Less than $50 w/ or w/o DSL?
If without, you could get broadband from your cable company and get Vonage, SunRocket or whoever and your phone bill will be $20 or less.
If you are getting both for $50 than count yourself in the lucky few that are able to get such savings and insure your current PUC members stay in office so Bell can't increase tariffs on you and raise your rates.
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join:2005-10-16
Auburn, PA
| Re: For me it is the opposite Nope, POTS alone is under $50. I am not that lucky, I was happy with the savings woth my POTS though, it is rare.
I'd go Vonage but my current Cable Provider (Blue Mountain Cable) will often fall to telephone modem speeds during busy times with tons and tons of packet loss. I have had enough issues with teamspeak in the past, I doubt the connection would support Vonage with any quality. | |
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| This is industry "wishful thinking"...but won't stick. Price rises won't stick... competition is looming more than ever.
Between WiFi, WiMax, 3G, Cable, FIOS, BPL, and Muni-Wifi I think you'll find there will be plenty of leverage to keep DSL prices in check.
They might think the honeymoon is over after having "culled the mass of dial up users". But the price sensitivity is such that they better be careful...no, folks won't go back to dialup. But they'd rather be wireless anyway...and that option is coming on strong in the same footprint that DSL has made. | |
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join:2002-06-19
The Dungeon
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For example:
BS 49.95 DSL was reduced by about $5 a year or so ago. Then came the Gov recoup fee, the network connect fee, then the other network fee.
Pretty sure it went up $10 to $15 dollars.
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Kennesaw, GA | Re: DSL has never gone down! They got to make you pay them lots of money whether it is disclosed or not. Look at taxes, income, federal and sales taxes most blindly paid it without any complaints!
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join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
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You need to call verizon.. youre living in the dark ages.
Number 1 .. You can get Dry loop DSL (naked DSL) from verizon in NYC now.
Number 2 ... You can get UNLIMITED local and long distance with Verizon for $29.95 a month now.. with taxes that might come to about $40... If youre still paying the same price for basic dialtone, CALL THEM and get the new prices.
Number 3 ... with Verizon unlimited local and LD... and DSL (768k) you should be paying no more than $60-$70 a month TOTAL... add $15 if you want 3Mps
Here in CT, I have 3000 down 512 up DSL from At&T (sbc) unlimited local and long dist.. all features .. for $84 a month after all taxes. | |
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Come on rates expiring; so average price matching costs
And don't forget we pay 3% tax for an old war...