Avira Security Update Crippled PCs Identified Legitimate Windows Processes as Malware Tipped by fatness 
Users in our security forums direct our attention to the fact that users of any of the paid versions of Avira's various antivirus and security programs are now dealing with crippled PCs after an update went terribly awry yesterday. The latest update to the software's AntiVirProActiv component -- not included in the free version -- identified critical Windows processes as malware and automatically terminated them. The update also resulted in many legitimate Microsoft and third party applications being blocked, and in some cases updated PCs wouldn't boot at all. Avira couldn't say how many PCs were impacted, but issued a statement saying the problem has been fixed: “If you had problems with the ProActiv module after updating to the latest Service Pack, then please initiate a product update which will automatically fix the issue,” an Avira spokesperson said in a statement. “All new users will not experience any issues and are not required to take any action. We deeply regret any difficulties that this may have caused you. Thank you for your patience and understanding!”
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 |  | | | Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by El Quintron:I don't really have a lot of MS security needs seeing as I spend most of my time on Linux, but on a whim a about 24 months ago I switched to Avast to try it out, and ended up liking it better...
Looks like I picked the right horse in that race.
Ditto. I mostly run Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Linux Mint.
On the one lone XP machine we have, the one my husband uses, I also switched to Avast after I finally gave up on AVG...
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| Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by jazzlady:On the one lone XP machine we have, the one my husband uses, I also switched to Avast after I finally gave up on AVG...
Avira was a stop-gap between AVG and Avast... Avast is definitely the best of the three.
Still use Windows for gaming... so I have to keep some sort of Anti-Virus going
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| | | | | | Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by El Quintron:said by jazzlady:On the one lone XP machine we have, the one my husband uses, I also switched to Avast after I finally gave up on AVG...
Avira was a stop-gap between AVG and Avast... Avast is definitely the best of the three. Still use Windows for gaming... so I have to keep some sort of Anti-Virus going I still use XP because my husband is not ready to make the switch to Linux. And there is one program I still need Windows for- a video converter called ConvertXtoDVD.
I used AVG happily for years until it literally crashed and burned. I had to stop using it because it caused so many problems.
I tried Avira and I didn't much care for it. I found it very intrusive, and it also caused stability problems with the version of Zone Alarm I was using.
Finally switched to Avast and it works great. It's not intrusive, updates itself, plays nice with Zone Alarm, and works pretty well in general.
As for Linux, I don't run either an AV or a firewall. Do you? Do you think it's necessary?
Just curious...
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| Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by jazzlady:As for Linux, I don't run either an AV or a firewall. Do you? Do you think it's necessary?
Just curious...
ClamAV is an AV you can use from Linux to scan a Windows disk for viruses, but I don't usually have to do so. The only time I've ever used it, was for a friends machine that was so infected it wouldn't even let me search for anti-viruses.
I don't usually use software firewalls either on Linux or Windows.
I'd say (with Linux) using caution whenever something asks you for your root password would be the best thing moreso than a specific AV program.
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| | | | | | | | Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by El Quintron:said by jazzlady:As for Linux, I don't run either an AV or a firewall. Do you? Do you think it's necessary?
Just curious...
ClamAV is an AV you can use from Linux to scan a Windows disk for viruses, but I don't usually have to do so. The only time I've ever used it, was for a friends machine that was so infected it wouldn't even let me search for anti-viruses. I don't usually use software firewalls either on Linux or Windows. I'd say (with Linux) using caution whenever something asks you for your root password would be the best thing moreso than a specific AV program. Yes, I try to be cautious. I don't worry as much in Linux, but there are Linux viruses out there. Any OS can get a virus...
The thing I like about Zone Alarm is it alerts you when a program is trying to "phone home". I always found that to be handy.
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| said by jazzlady:I still use XP because my husband is not ready to make the switch to Linux. And there is one program I still need Windows for- a video converter called ConvertXtoDVD. Why would you use an all-in-one Windows program to convert video files to DVD, when there's probably some perfectly good Linux process for doing the same thing that probably uses 3-4 different programs, 5-6 support libraries and probably only takes 6-7 steps?  | |
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by El Quintron:said by Rekrul:Why would you use an all-in-one Windows program to convert video files to DVD, when there's probably some perfectly good Linux process for doing the same thing that probably uses 3-4 different programs, 5-6 support libraries and probably only takes 6-7 steps?
I think APT has pretty much resolved most depency hell issues, but you are you correct that the things Linux does well are great, and the stuff Devs chose to ignore is a huge PITA. Brasero now does random videofile to playable DVD pretty good now though. Dependencies... oh yeah, those things.... LOL
I usually use Synaptic to install anything, and don't worry about dependencies. Never went through dependency hell. 
Brasero actually works now? I use Nero Linux. I used Nero for years in Windows, and Nero Linux is one of the few commercial programs I use on Linux. Hey, it's only $20, so I can't complain. But it doesn't burn to 2 drives simultaneously like the Windows version... :-(
But you're right- the stuff the dev's ignore causes problems for a lot of us.
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| Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by jazzlady:Brasero actually works now?
It did on 10.10 which is the last time I had to burn a "video" DVD. I basically have everything going from my NASes to my Boxee boxes at home, so my need for playable DVDs is pretty small.
Ubuntutweak, I believe has a Brasero Repo you can add, which would provide extra functionality from the Ubuntu version if needed.
For what it's worth I kept a super old Mac around with a copy of Roxio Toast on it forever just to burn DVDs before I got into videosharing over my network.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by El Quintron:said by jazzlady:Brasero actually works now?
It did on 10.10 which is the last time I had to burn a "video" DVD. I basically have everything going from my NASes to my Boxee boxes at home, so my need for playable DVDs is pretty small. I don't need to burn DVD's for myself either. I do them only for my 82 year old Mom.
I never had much luck with Brasero, but K3B always worked well for me, even in the Gnome environment. Not as good as Nero though...
I usually watch avi's on an SD card in my DVD player, but I'm finding the need for more formats lately. I'm looking into some kind of solution like a blu-ray player or media streamer, but I only need to play files from a local attached device like a thumb drive... so I'm doing some research trying to figure out what to get.
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| Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by jazzlady:I'm looking into some kind of solution like a blu-ray player or media streamer, but I only need to play files from a local attached device like a thumb drive... so I'm doing some research trying to figure out what to get.
I use Boxee Box, which I moved to after WDTV... it works great for Netflix and a host of other services. It can be termpermental, put it's very powerful.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by El Quintron:said by jazzlady:I'm looking into some kind of solution like a blu-ray player or media streamer, but I only need to play files from a local attached device like a thumb drive... so I'm doing some research trying to figure out what to get.
I use Boxee Box, which I moved to after WDTV... it works great for Netflix and a host of other services. It can be termpermental, put it's very powerful. I was about to get the WDTV, but it doesn't support Vobsubs. I need a box that supports the idx/sub subtitle format.
I'm looking at a Micca player at the moment, but there are some issues with the Realtek 1186 chip. It has a 23.976 fps bug. It plays those videos at 24 fps, and causes a judder in the video. The previous 1185 chip had this issue as well.
I'm also looking at blu-ray players that can handle AAC audio, mkv and mp4 also. I don't need an internet connected box, just something that plays a lot of formats from a thumb drive.
I thought about an HTPC, but this is for a bedroom so that isn't practical.
I looked at Roku- dismissed that one immediately. They want a credit card # just to set the thing up whether you intend to use it online of not. They can bite me.
Also looked at a few others- Popcorn Hour, Popbox, Incredisonic, Micca, Xstreamer, and a few others. I'm still researching...
This stuff is hard. It makes my brain hurt... LOL
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| Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by jazzlady:said by El Quintron:said by jazzlady:I'm looking into some kind of solution like a blu-ray player or media streamer, but I only need to play files from a local attached device like a thumb drive... so I'm doing some research trying to figure out what to get.
I use Boxee Box, which I moved to after WDTV... it works great for Netflix and a host of other services. It can be termpermental, put it's very powerful. I was about to get the WDTV, but it doesn't support Vobsubs. I need a box that supports the idx/sub subtitle format. I'm looking at a Micca player at the moment, but there are some issues with the Realtek 1186 chip. It has a 23.976 fps bug. It plays those videos at 24 fps, and causes a judder in the video. The previous 1185 chip had this issue as well. I'm also looking at blu-ray players that can handle AAC audio, mkv and mp4 also. I don't need an internet connected box, just something that plays a lot of formats from a thumb drive. I thought about an HTPC, but this is for a bedroom so that isn't practical. I looked at Roku- dismissed that one immediately. They want a credit card # just to set the thing up whether you intend to use it online of not. They can bite me. Also looked at a few others- Popcorn Hour, Popbox, Incredisonic, Micca, Xstreamer, and a few others. I'm still researching... This stuff is hard. It makes my brain hurt... LOL Just a heads up on the WDTV, I got a WDTV live a while back and the wireless is terrible but if you are connecting a drive to it it was great. From everything I read lately theres better solutions elsewhere. | |
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| Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by margaf77:Just a heads up on the WDTV, I got a WDTV live a while back and the wireless is terrible but if you are connecting a drive to it it was great. From everything I read lately theres better solutions elsewhere.
I always connected it wired... seems like a better idea if you're streaming 720-1080p with 5.1 audio.
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| Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by El Quintron:said by margaf77:Just a heads up on the WDTV, I got a WDTV live a while back and the wireless is terrible but if you are connecting a drive to it it was great. From everything I read lately theres better solutions elsewhere.
I always connected it wired... seems like a better idea if you're streaming 720-1080p with 5.1 audio. Even SD stuff had huge issues with wireless from about 25' away (thru a wall or 2). Wired and it was excellent but I jumped threw hoops and got a wireless-n access point hoping that might resolve it and still no love on wireless. | |
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| Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by margaf77:Even SD stuff had huge issues with wireless from about 25' away (thru a wall or 2). Wired and it was excellent but I jumped threw hoops and got a wireless-n access point hoping that might resolve it and still no love on wireless.
Wow... that's bad. I had my Boxee Box hooked up with wireless and I'd get some choking on 1080p but that was about it.
I'm glad I never went that route
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| | | | | | | | | | | said by margaf77:Just a heads up on the WDTV, I got a WDTV live a while back and the wireless is terrible but if you are connecting a drive to it it was great. From everything I read lately theres better solutions elsewhere.
I don't need no stinkin' wireless...
Seriously, I don't. Even if a unit has it I don't plan on using it. I just want to play mp4's/mkv's from an SD card, or maybe a hard drive in my usb Thermaltake BlacX dock. That's it.
The WDTV doesn't support Vobsubs, so that one is out.
Right now I am looking at 2 Micca players- an EP950, and an EP600 G2.
I know someone who is testing out the latter unit right now, so I'm going to let him be the guinea pig...
If they've solved the framerate bug with those players, and they support Vobsubs, then I'll get one.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by rchandra:Real People(tm) use mkisofs and dvdrecord or cdrecord Actually, all kidding aside, I have been using K3B, plus sometimes those two.
K3B always worked well for me. But I wound up getting Nero because it was inexpensive, and I'm just used to it. It works well. I just wish they'd implement that multiple burner feature like the Win version.
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| | | | | | | said by Rekrul:said by jazzlady:I still use XP because my husband is not ready to make the switch to Linux. And there is one program I still need Windows for- a video converter called ConvertXtoDVD. Why would you use an all-in-one Windows program to convert video files to DVD, when there's probably some perfectly good Linux process for doing the same thing that probably uses 3-4 different programs, 5-6 support libraries and probably only takes 6-7 steps? The closest thing I've found in Linux is DeVeDe.
But DeVeDe can't touch ConvertX as far as quality. It does ok if the source is NTSC, but when doing PAL to NTSC it fails miserably. The resulting video is not fluid, but is jerky. ConvertX converts the same video perfectly.
ConvertX can actually run under WINE, but the newer and better versions won't do menu's, which is a problem for me.
So, still looking for the perfect, open source conversion software, that has a GUI and can do simple menus...
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| said by jazzlady:The closest thing I've found in Linux is DeVeDe.
But DeVeDe can't touch ConvertX as far as quality. It does ok if the source is NTSC, but when doing PAL to NTSC it fails miserably. The resulting video is not fluid, but is jerky. ConvertX converts the same video perfectly.
ConvertX can actually run under WINE, but the newer and better versions won't do menu's, which is a problem for me.
So, still looking for the perfect, open source conversion software, that has a GUI and can do simple menus... No, no, no! You're doing it wrong! All-in-one programs aren't the Linux way!
First you need to use ffmpeg to convert the video file to mpeg2 format. Then you need to use a graphics program to create the menu screens. Then you need to use DVD Author to convert the mpeg2 files into the proper DVD structure and program the menus. Then you use a burning program to burn the files to disc. Of course ffmpeg and DVD Author are command line programs, so you'll need to hunt down suitable front end programs for them.
See, couldn't be easier!
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by Rekrul:said by jazzlady:The closest thing I've found in Linux is DeVeDe.
So, still looking for the perfect, open source conversion software, that has a GUI and can do simple menus... No, no, no! You're doing it wrong! All-in-one programs aren't the Linux way! First you need to use ffmpeg to convert the video file to mpeg2 format. Then you need to use a graphics program to create the menu screens. Then you need to use DVD Author to convert the mpeg2 files into the proper DVD structure and program the menus. Then you use a burning program to burn the files to disc. Of course ffmpeg and DVD Author are command line programs, so you'll need to hunt down suitable front end programs for them. See, couldn't be easier! Remember the unofficial *nix motto; Never do in one step what you can make the user do in several steps! My dear, if that were the case I would not be a Linux user.
I very rarely use the CLI. I can't remember the commands, and I can't type worth a damn anyhow. I almost always find a GUI way to do something in Linux. LOL
Linux really *has* gotten more user friendly... well, until Ubuntu went with Unity anyway... :-\
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| Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by rchandra:Actually, it's more like, do one thing and do it well. It's just that there may not be anything (yet) to do the one thing of bringing that all together well. A couple examples;
The dominant archive format for *nix is still .tar.gz. First you need to use Tar to combine the files together, then you need to use Gzip to compress the combined file. Every other archive program combines and compresses in one step. Maybe this made sense 20+ years ago, but in today's world, it seems silly to have to use two programs to do what archivers on other systems do with just one program/step.
A while back, I went looking for a freeware program to backup my hard drive (OS included), and stumbled across PING. At first it sounded like just what I wanted; Create a backup, burn it to disc, restore, etc. Then I started reading the instructions. Run PING and create the backup, which takes about 10 steps. Then if you want to burn it as a working backup, you need to manually separate the files into disc-sized packages, download the proper files to add to the disk, use another program to make it bootable, and then use separate burning software to burn the whole thing. | |
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1 edit | Re: Glad I switched to Avast said by Rekrul:said by rchandra:Actually, it's more like, do one thing and do it well. It's just that there may not be anything (yet) to do the one thing of bringing that all together well. A couple examples; The dominant archive format for *nix is still .tar.gz. First you need to use Tar to combine the files together, then you need to use Gzip to compress the combined file. Every other archive program combines and compresses in one step. Maybe this made sense 20+ years ago, but in today's world, it seems silly to have to use two programs to do what archivers on other systems do with just one program/step. ...and there you go. You see this as a disadvantage, I see that as a wonderful advantage. Y'see, unfortunately, tar does not always just collect files. Sometimes, gee, I dunno...it actually writes tapes. After all, "tar" does not refer to thick, sticky hydrocarbons, it is "tape archiver." It just so happens that as a feature it can produce a singular file or produce its archive on the stdout. It's also rather handy for copying files around, with no intervening archive file produced (the archive goes through a pipe). So the one thing it does well is collect files, and then put them back from the collection. Many variants (GNUtar for example) have direct integration for running compression passes on their archive as an option. Apparently typing an additional " -z" is just way too much to handle.
Then there's the matter of doing the compression. I may have an environment (such as an embedded system) which is constrained in terms of RAM and processing power, so I may choose GZip. I may have something with fewer constraints, so I might use bzip2. Or if I think I can do better with another compressor, I can plug that in as well (haven't quite explored what these files ending in ".xz" are all about yet). Again, do one thing well, compression and decompression, and let some other widget (tar, star, cpio, I don't care what) worry about collecting the files, their modes, their attributes, their user attributes, their ACLs, and so on. Have some filesystem where it's vital to store something else? Too bad, now your compressing PKZip or 7-zip's no good, because it's basically trying to do too much. All I have to do is plug in an archiver which deals with that filesystem's quirks, and I can still use the same compressor, with all of its efficiencies and advantages.
You also write as if the only thing that's compressed is archives. I can use my gzip/bzip2/whatever on more than just archives. Using your ideal, too bad; I must create an arhive, I cannot merely apply compression. I must give the archive member a name, and too bad when it's extracted that I don't want that name, I get that name anyway, along with whatever file metadata were stored along with it, none of which may be suitable.
As for your other example, too bad you couldn't find a widget which could do exactly what you want. Good luck with that. I don't see how talking about some widget which didn't meet all your needs is germaine to the discussion. There's all kinds of software that is desired but remains unwritten...so?
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kudos:7 | said by pnh102:Anyone who uses a paid Anti-Virus "solution" for desktop Windows is wasting his money.
Microsoft Security Essentials FTW.
Uber Geeks dont need any at all
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kudos:2 | said by pnh102:Anyone who uses a paid Anti-Virus "solution" for desktop Windows is wasting his money.
Microsoft Security Essentials FTW.
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kudos:5 | said by pnh102:Anyone who uses a paid Anti-Virus "solution" for desktop Windows is wasting his money.
Microsoft Security Essentials FTW.
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One day Windows will do something so bad nothing will ever work right again.
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kudos:2 | said by georgeglass5:Thinking that all you need is MSE. Good luck, with that way of thinking
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And female ones, at that!
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