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BBC iPlayer launches
Laudable goal, poor execution
(old news - 01:03AM Saturday Jul 28 2007)
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The TV arm of BBC has launched its iPlayer software with an open sign-up page but to a limited number of "beta" users. The player will allow anyone in the UK the right to watch any of the last 7 days of BBC broadcasting, over broadband. Unfortunately the democratic nature of the initiative falls flat when it comes to the delivery mechanism: Windows XP only, ActiveX, MSIE only, Microsoft media player 10 only or later. You are also required to get into bed with Verisign and install their p2p software:
"When you install the BBC iPlayer Library you will also install peer-to-peer file sharing software from Verisign Inc. This software has a file share feature that enables other BBC iPlayer users to download BBC Content through your personal computer (using part of your upload bandwidth), via a secure link, to their personal computers."
Wow! The excuse for the DRM is that it is necessary to "meet the BBC's obligations to rights holders".
do not download or attempt to download the BBC Content if you are outside the UK

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Part of the agreement during the beta sign-up process asks you to agree "to not download or attempt to download the BBC Content if you are outside the UK". (Tax paying brits overseas - you're out of luck).

Whether they actively restrict this via an IP address database is not yet clear. For what it is worth, the beta signup page is: here

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DrModem
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WMP 10?

11 has been out for awhile wtheck are they doing saying WMP 10 only?

justin
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Re: WMP 10?

My bad, 10+

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Uk only

Whats the point of this? I know alot of friends that live here in the states from the Uk and they cant watch there own BBC mews. WTF

I have a better idea just get a DVR.

P2P software humm sure they are not spying in on your computer?

Just my .02 into this morning.
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Re: Uk only

I believe the real reason for this is to eventually collect a fee for every PC in the home as well as every TV.
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ActiveX?
MSIE?
WMP?
DRM?
"install peer-to-peer file sharing software from Verisign Inc"?

*cringes*

No, thanks.

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BBC iPlayer launches

despite the drawbacks to the service, allowing you to download there content free of charge is well great, and that they are using a p2p method to help distribute it great. I don't like drm of anykind but at least this is free. better then paying for a show from itunes thats locked up with drm...

EDIT: Currently, BBC iPlayer Beta isn't available for Apple Macintosh computers or Microsoft Windows Vista

hehe no vista users allowed !
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said by bmfan See Profile :

despite the drawbacks to the service, allowing you to download there content free of charge is well great, and that they are using a p2p method to help distribute it great.
There is one more drawback of doing this with P2P. And that is it can cause your UPSTREAM bandwidth to become much heavier than usual and can cause many ISPs to kick you off for breaking the TOS.
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or at least appear to have a UK IP address

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Well i think I will pass

I use UK Nova and TheBox.bz to catch up on my TV if necessary, and I was hoping for a streaming version with no issues as they do for BBC Radio, even if it is in real media, and rtsp protocol. (You can download it with tools such as Nettransport)

No am I going to start installing up stuff that I already pay over £100 ($200) a year to fund, just to allow me to watch. May become popular but I am very disappointed.

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Monkey See, Monkey Not Do Right . . . .

I have been watching BBC America for quite some time and I see in their latest batch of International image upgrades no sense of reality.

They are copying old, bad, American television concepts and practices. So it only goes that they should be botching this.

In this day and age of innovation an entity such as the BBC is falling way short on intelligent design and just copying and not copying the good stuff.

Good try on all, but try again. And again. Until you get it right. Better yet. Just stop. It's embarrassing.

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Re: Monkey See, Monkey Not Do Right . . . .

Thier programming looks like the US stuff from the 80's, when it was a lot better than now.
Theres like 1-2 shows a week I like to watch off our networks. Looks like Id like to watch a lot more of thier stuff, yah the grass is greener ...

Since BBC is a public funded entity, I guess I dont qualify to watch them.

Even the US networks that have online shows started thier video services on limited platform, then (some) expanded to cover others. I like the ABC player the best so far, now that they support Vista, too bad all thier shows suck.
»abc.com
»nbc.com
»cbs.com
»fox.com
As far as the DRM, I dont care as long as I can watch what I want, I dont expect to be able to own someone elses IP for free.
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said by RMKyote See Profile :

I have been watching BBC America for quite some time and I see in their latest batch of International image upgrades no sense of reality.

They are copying old, bad, American television concepts and practices. So it only goes that they should be botching this.

In this day and age of innovation an entity such as the BBC is falling way short on intelligent design and just copying and not copying the good stuff.

Good try on all, but try again. And again. Until you get it right. Better yet. Just stop. It's embarrassing.
BBC America is not the same as the BBC in the UK. They show programming that they think people in America will like, very different.

BBC America shows programmes that have never been on the BBC, its totally different.

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Re: Monkey See, Monkey Not Do Right . . . .

Yes. I know. They area based out of New York. BUT, the mindset is still there.

Oh and yes, a good portion of the programs have been aired in the UK. It may not have been on the BBC (resurrecting what was once considered dead programming), but they were aired in the UK. If you read the BBCA forums you will see that UK viewers are hoping that they will get the whole series this time. Or are mad that we get a added episodes that weren't aired there. So it is not exclusive programming for the US. And you'd think they could count from 1-20?! Not so by the way they schedule series.

I would suggest that the BBC have them drop the BBC tag, and go with something like CRPAmerica. Because it is only supporting a lost and pathetic cause.

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BBC?

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No prob!

»thepiratebay.org/search/BBC/0/0/0

EDIT: BTW, Simpsons Mania?

Nezmo
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I'll glady pay...

I'm in the US and would just like to able to view BBC stuff more easily than I can now. Will they make a pay version of this for those outside the UK? Surely that is a money spinner for them.
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Re: I'll glady pay...

said by Nezmo See Profile :

I'm in the US and would just like to able to view BBC stuff more easily than I can now. Will they make a pay version of this for those outside the UK? Surely that is a money spinner for them.
Probably not. I don't know how much programming the BBC owns the rights to these days, but I suspect it isn't very much. The rest is licensed from independent production companies. They in turn have no interest in allowing worldwide viewing, even for a fee, as it threatens the licensing fees they can get from networks in other countries.
Gogo1

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lol americans

lol at all the American love for the Beeb here. You obviously havent watched it in a couple of decades. The BBC is about as impartial as Sean Hannity or Dan Rather.
bananu

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De-Globalization

What really needs to be done is a reform of the whole media rights stuff. The whole geolocation and whatnot really is going the exact opposite way most of the world is going becoming the big one global world and all. If someone wants to watch BBC they should be able to no matter whether they live in Japan or the UK. If I want to watch French tv then why shouldn't I be able to do that from Mexico...
At least for television over the internet it should be possible to somehow track how many people have watched your channel for how long and then based on that the station should have to pay fees for the rights and they could probably even say they ask a fee of 4.99 a month to access that way they can make up for the additional rights fees.
I would say the broadcast stations and media rights holders have not yet quite realized that by restricting access like they are with geolocation and such all they are doing is drive up use of things like Sopcast, TVU and other P2P-based broadcast sharing methods.

capecoddah

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BBC News Goes Broadband

If you are looking at the BBC News website from outside the UK there are some new developments to tell you about.

»news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/6277422.stm

desert_island

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Minimise uploading

The files iplayer downloads run fine in a standalone version of Windows Media. If you specify a custom directory to which iplayer should download files then it's easy to rename the files once downloaded (e.g. just remove the DOWNLOAD suffix). This results in them being 'removed' from your iPlayer library but also seems to minimise the p2p uploading (and you can still watch them in Windows Media). here's also a config file, "zprefs_db_netman.xml" available -- if anyone knows how to tweak it and get the config compiled into the zdata.db database file, do let us know!

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