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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD | Hmmm... I did hear that Ford outside of the USA makes far superior cars to Fords made inside the USA. Maybe that is to what he is referring. 
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Boogeyman
Drive it like you stole it
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join:2002-12-17
Huntsville, AL
| Re: Hmmm... Sure people would be happy with a Ford as long as its not the old Ford Pinto.
Comparing DSL to fiber as a Ford to Ferarri isnt really accurate, its more of a Yugo to Ford, a Ferarri would be an OC3 or something.
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join:2000-01-05
Quincy, MA
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Hmmm... said by Boogeyman  :Sure people would be happy with a Ford as long as its not the old Ford Pinto. Well at least my computer won't explode if backed into.....although if it happens to be a Dell laptop....? 
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| | Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
| said by Boogeyman :Comparing DSL to fiber as a Ford to Ferarri isnt really accurate, its more of a Yugo to Ford, a Ferarri would be an OC3 or something. Yugo is just what I thought when comparing DSL to (fiber) a BMW. | |
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| | PittsPgh
join:2003-08-21
Pittsburgh, PA
| said by Boogeyman :Sure people would be happy with a Ford as long as its not the old Ford Pinto. Comparing DSL to fiber as a Ford to Ferarri isnt really accurate, its more of a Yugo to Ford, a Ferarri would be an OC3 or something. Don't knock the Pinto. I had a '75 with a V-6 in it!!
Talk about too much engine for a car! LOL
The body was was pretty well rusted out though | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
1 edit | said by Boogeyman :Sure people would be happy with a Ford as long as its not the old Ford Pinto. I've always looked down at Ford, Chrysler and GM vehicles in the USA simply because they've been crap as compared to some of the foreign makes.
When GM and Chrysler announced that they were going on welfare (Chrysler for the 2nd time), that, along with my own family's relationship with GM that began in 1972 and ended with me buying a Honda in 2001, pretty much cemented the view in my head that everything they make is junk. If that wasn't the case, they would not need welfare.
Ford, on the other hand, I am starting to warm to. I have a lot of respect for them because they chose to do the right thing and not take welfare, but actually compete in the marketplace by trying to become a stronger company and build better products.
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Stockbridge, GA | Re: There are some fast Fords out there When Isp CEOs sprew shit like this, they usually refer to something like this:
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Link Logger
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join:2001-03-29
Calgary, AB
·Shaw
| Re: There are some fast Fords out there I believe that is a 59 Chev Impala and while Chev as a company looks to be in about that condition, Ford on the other hand isn't looking for bailouts yet, and some of Ford's European cars are rather well thought of, even on Top Gear.
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join:2008-09-02
Stockbridge, GA | Re: There are some fast Fords out there It doesn't matter. You KNOW when these CEOs suggest this they mean a broken down junker that can only travel 30 miles a day, and takes an hour to start up.
Which is how they get ideas like 10 gig caps. | |
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| Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ | on a side note, whoever let a classic car rot like that should be subjected to a 5gb cap....
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Core0000
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Somerset, KY
·Windstream
| Car Analogy If they were going for car analogies..
Well I would want a Chevy truck over a pinto car. That pinto car may get the job done, but it can't do any heavy lifting like the chevy could, can, and will do.
Fibers all about expanding capabilities...at least that's what I take it as.  | |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
·PenTeleData
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| Re: Car Analogy said by Core0000 :If they were going for car analogies.. Well I would want a Chevy truck over a pinto car. That pinto car may get the job done, but it can't do any heavy lifting like the chevy could, can, and will do. Fibers all about expanding capabilities...at least that's what I take it as. Is fiber really needed for the pathetic speeds that FiOS and U-Verse give today?
The answer is no. These can be done over coax. | |
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Boynton Beach, FL | Re: Car Analogy Fiber is not about speed as much as it is about capacity. | |
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Golden, CO | Bbbbbut your cable provider isn't even matching those "patheric" speeds! | |
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join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
| said by Eat Me :Is fiber really needed for the pathetic speeds that FiOS and U-Verse give today? The answer is no. These can be done over coax. That may be true but Verizon didn't own a coax infrastructure when they started to roll out FiOS. Are you suggesting that Verizon and AT&T should have built out their own hybrid fiber coax (or at least cat 5e) infrastructure to homes? | |
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| | twill1989
join:2009-01-03
Goose Creek, SC
·AT&T Southeast
| Please...the most DOCSIS 3 can offer, from what I understand, is around 100 mbps. Look at how quickly we jumped from being satisifed with 3-5 mbps to suddenly only being satisfied if we receive greater than 10 mbps at the very least.
How long do you think before people start demanding something more than 50 mbps offered by cablecos and Verizon right now (and maybe AT&T in the future if they perfect pair bonding)? 100 mbps will become the standard soon enough. Probably within the next 10-15 years. Then what do the cablecos do? Develop DOCSIS 4?
And if the speeds offered by FiOS (its not really fair to lump FiOS and Uverse together since Uverse isnt pure fiber) are pathetic, why dont you say the speeds offered by coax are pathetic as well? As of right now, the cablecos are matching Verizon for 50 mbps down. It's the same thing. Except at any time Verizon can up their down speeds dramatically and blow the cablecos out of the water.
Fiber is the superior medium. No matter what you say about coax, fiber will always win. | |
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Somerset, KY | Re: Car Analogy Forgive me I am a bit slow..
What exactly are you saying?
Fibers expensive, but a tata nano is cheap and can still get the job done? | |
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C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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Davenport, FL | And that Tata would be disintegrated on Highway 27 in all of one day of being on that road. | |
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Canonsburg, PA
| said by Core0000 :Well I would want a Chevy truck over a pinto car. That pinto car may get the job done, but it can't do any heavy lifting like the chevy could, can, and will do. Fibers all about expanding capabilities...at least that's what I take it as. How about a 2009 Ford F-350 Super Duty 350-hp twin-turbo 6.4 liter V8 Powerstroke diesel with 650 lb.-ft. of torque over that Pinto. | |
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Somerset, KY
·Windstream
1 edit | Re: Car Analogy said by Sammer :said by Core0000 :Well I would want a Chevy truck over a pinto car. That pinto car may get the job done, but it can't do any heavy lifting like the chevy could, can, and will do. Fibers all about expanding capabilities...at least that's what I take it as. How about a 2009 Ford F-350 Super Duty 350-hp twin-turbo 6.4 liter V8 Powerstroke diesel with 650 lb.-ft. of torque over that Pinto. LoL, oh yeah, that's a 100x better. | |
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join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD | Re: Car Analogy Granted the FORD doesn't break down first. | |
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| Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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Mullica Hill, NJ
| AT&T says the same thing about FiOS.
Maybe in the UK cable isnt the same class of threat, but im pretty sure cable is why Verizon went with Fiber Optics here in the US. because they know that faster Docsis2 was there and that D3 was coming and that Twisted pair copper was deadend. and that since Cable has FTTN already, FTTH isnt much more of a push so they had to also beat cable to that punch.
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | Well, I'd be happier with a Ford than with their Yugo. | |
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Sofa King
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join:2009-03-01
Littleton, MA
1 edit | The "we" in "what we want" While the "we" majority changes over time, "they" must factor in where most of the "we" is now.
•0.5% of subscribers consume about 40 percent of total bandwidth
•10% of subscribers consume 80 percent of bandwidth.
•80% of subscribers use less than 10 percent of bandwidth
Which "we" do "they" build for now? and later?
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| You bill people for the maximum amount they could potentially use (durr hurr cuz thats wut it cost u durr) and then cry when only 10% of your customers are actually using the service? 80% of your subscribers are basically giving you their money and getting nothing in return, you are making insane amounts of money on these people. How can you justify screwing the people who are actually using the service you sold to them in the way which you described it to them in the first place? | |
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Sofa King
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Littleton, MA
1 edit | Re: The "we" in "what we want" Internet business economics are a bit more complicated than building dedicated capacity and charging for max bandwidth capabilities. | |
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
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join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL
·Bright House
| Most times I laugh Most times I laugh at all the outrageous statements CEO's make. Makes me wonder if they are really in touch with there customers. Just shows the limited vision he has on where the internet should be in the next 10 years. When someone only looks at emails and browse the net once in awhile, of course they won't care how fast there internet is.
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join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Re: Most times I laugh I expect his company will be following in the footsteps of Ford, Chevrolet, and Chrysler. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Ford Motor Company Wrongful deaths Well... in fairness, it does look like he hit the tree pretty hard. | |
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chronoss2009
join:2008-09-23 | fords go fast wheel barrels are what BELL CANADA GETS YOU fords go fast wheel barrels are what BELL CANADA GETS YOU
get into leaving the net for the summer LET BELL CANADA AND YOUR retard govt know your not paying extortion rates on internet | |
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PeteC2
Got Mouse?
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join:2002-01-20
Bristol, CT
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·AT&T Yahoo
| YAWN!!! Good lord...all this fuss over a choice of comparisons? Who cares whether a Ford, Yugo, Ferrari or a freakin' Big Wheel is used to make a point? The gist of this is whether copper is "good enough" for the time being, or that fiber should be pushed...enough whining about what cars were used for the analogy...was this so confusing that folks simply could not understand the intent of the comment?
Whew...rant over...but really now!
As a "pedestrian" user of the net, who does not download/upload large amounts of content, my current DSL 6Mbps connection is almost overkill as it is...however, I do recognize that the "state of the art" of broadband and it's usage is a rapidly evolving entity, and historically, those who hold back on the technological (speed) increases fall into irrelevancy and insolvency...as in AOL's too late shift from dial up.
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justbits
More fiber than ATT can handle
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join:2003-01-08
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
·AT&T Yahoo
1 edit | Cars As to be expected, the analogy is conveniently crafted to serve an agenda. Let's consider a different one: ISPs don't provide cars, they provide highways. ISPs don't sell the vehicle that drives on the highway, they charge a per-month toll for using their highways.
Feel free to create your own analogy and equate it to current practices you observe.
ISPs provide the highways, set the toll prices, and set usage limits. It's ok if you drive the speed limit, but only as long as you don't do it for more than 2 hours every day.
ISPs provide side streets, national highways and the vehicles.
ISPs provide side streets, state highways and vehicles. Other national ISPs provide federal interconnects between state highways. Vehicles are irrelevant since everybody that enters the "tollway" is towed at the maximum rate that the tollway moves from each point to point. The only part that matters is the bottleneck... the slowest part of the system is the side streets for the majority of people; it's the "last mile" technology and the artificial speed limits placed upon the "vehicle" (cable, DSL and fiber) that can make a Ferrari perform like a Pinto. In many cases, as the last mile speed limits are increased, the state highways, which have not been upgraded as quickly as demand, are not able to keep up with capacity (demand) during peak hours of the day, so traffic congestion occurs. .....
blah blah blah... the point is that analogies are useful to get a less knowledgeable person to agree with commonly known ideas when the reality is that Internet service providers have no direct analogy to another daily used existing form of business (except maybe the shipping business or maybe to a public utility.) | |
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Sage of the light
join:2001-08-17
Chester, IL
·New Wave Communica..
| Accessibility to fiber What about implementing technology that people can use?
I live in a Verizon area that will never get FiOS and I'd rather live in an ATT area that gets U-Verse over a Verizon area that will never get FiOS. I guess I'll just have to move. | |
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chronoss2009
join:2008-09-23 | me thinks the wheel barrow is really what we get they say ford but would give you a wheel barrow if they could, and the thing would be filled with DRM , TPM and tons a restrictions YOU HAVE TO PUSH AROUND, going no where. | |
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| Fiber He was talking about fiber to the home versus fiber to the cabinet (node). BT have already annonced that they will deliver fiber to the cabinet to 40% of UK. Interestingly UK has better broadband availability and take up than US, Germany, Itlay, Spain etc. | |
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@enta.net | The shareholders are to blame I think the shareholders (who were against the idea) have told him who's the boss.
Perhaps BT will think about it again when they have this 21CN business done and dusted. | |
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| Parts is cheaper... Support for a Ford is cheaper than say, a Rolls-Royce or Aston Martin.
But comparing technology to industry designed to remove mass-transit from the masses...just idiocy.
BTW, I like F250 series... and that GT40...woooooo!
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join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | I like my broadband like my car... ... which is a Miata. It's not the fastest thing in the world, BUT THERE'S NO CAP  | |
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join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
1 edit | Tis no inconvenience to them. Ohhh another CEO is clumsy with analogies. I think Mr. Livingstone actually meant; "But most people are happy with Ford Prefect., even though they find him a bit odd at times". And I'll bet Mr Livingstone does not know how to operate his digital watch. | |
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