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Bandwidth As P2P Video Currency
Researchers tinker with goodwill video sharing model
by Karl Bode Thursday 30-Aug-2007 tags: Video · Fileswapping · business
Researchers at Delft University of Technology, Vrije Universiteit and Harvard's School of Engineering are developing a "next-generation" video p2p platform that turns bandwidth into a global currency. The students are using an enhanced version of a program named Tribler in the hopes of blending social network technology with peer-to-peer systems.
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"Our platform will provide fast downloads by ensuring sufficient uploads," says Johan Pouwelse, an assistant professor at Delft University of Technology and the technical director of Tribler. "The next generation of peer-to-peer systems will provide an ideal marketplace not just for content, but for bandwidth in general."

"They are proposing [an] earn-and-spend market model, where the more a user uploads now and the higher the quality of the contributions, the more she would be able to download later and the faster the download speed. The enhanced Tribler goes beyond traditional P2P applications such as BitTorrent by implementing proper regulation in a decentralized environment."

Harvard researcher David Parkes admits the idea of community goodwill is not new (Emporium?), but says previous implementations have been expensive and reliant on a company and/or website as the enforcer instead of the community.

Also see the researchers' plans for upcoming features, browse the Python code being used and see their scientific paper (pdf) on their "give to get" algorithm.

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RayW
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Assumes a symetrical system

"Our platform will provide fast downloads by ensuring sufficient uploads," says Johan Pouwelse

Most folks have a significantly slower upload compare to their down load. And besides, EVERYONE knows that this will only be used for 'illegal' use and the *AA groups be against it.
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telcolackey5
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Re: Assumes a symetrical system

Should you be able to "re-sell" or give away the food from the all you can eat buffet?
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Re: Assumes a symetrical system

said by telcolackey5:

Should you be able to "re-sell" or give away the food from the all you can eat buffet?
I assume this apparent non-sequitur really has a meaning, and probably from one of the "EVERYONE" crowd?
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Re: Assumes a symetrical system

said by RayW:

said by telcolackey5:

Should you be able to "re-sell" or give away the food from the all you can eat buffet?
I assume this apparent non-sequitur really has a meaning, and probably from one of the "EVERYONE" crowd?
I understood what was said. It must be the IQ rule of 30.
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Re: Assumes a symetrical system

said by batterup:

said by RayW:

said by telcolackey5:

Should you be able to "re-sell" or give away the food from the all you can eat buffet?
I assume this apparent non-sequitur really has a meaning, and probably from one of the "EVERYONE" crowd?
I understood what was said. It must be the IQ rule of 30.
Assume that there are people who have more than your 30 IQ, now try to explain upward what the reply "Should you be able to "re-sell" or give away the food from the all you can eat buffet?" has to do with my "Most folks have a significantly slower upload compare to their down load. And besides, EVERYONE knows that this will only be used for 'illegal' use and the *AA groups be against it."?

At this point I will assume from the level of your response that you are part of the group sarcastically called "EVERYONE" in my post and that you are hoping that the *AAs will get the project banned.
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Laenir

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Done before?

Hasn't this "upload to receive download credits" thing been done for years by file servers on IRC?

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Re: Done before?

said by Laenir:

Hasn't this "upload to receive download credits" thing been done for years by file servers on IRC?
Fserves, FTP, BT, nothing new here.
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Re: Done before?

Not only that, it doesn't work very well, as shown by some private BT trackers. A few people "hoard" upload credit and no one else can get enough.
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Ah yes, I remember uploading megabytes upon megabytes of pi back in the dialup days...

Moropo
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Isnt this the same as torrents?

Isnt this the same as torrents wrapped differently?

I mean, in sites such as Oink and Demonoid, the more you upload the more "credit" you have to download later.

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They left out the ISP involvement in their idealistic plan

This theory doesn't take in to account that the providers of all this upload bandwidth won't let this happen unless they can profit from it. This is just some academics that think bandwidth is free because they don't pay for it themselves.
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Re: They left out the ISP involvement in their idealistic plan

You forget that since I pay $40 / month I can resell or give away "my"* unused bandwidth to the Internet community 7x24. I am entitled to do that because "they"** said it was "unlimited"

* "my" Since I paid for the all-you-can-eat, the entire buffet is "mine" to do as I please

** "They" typically refers to a rumor based on either wrongly interpreted or several year old marketing when connections were 1Mbps

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Re: They left out the ISP involvement in their idealistic plan

I am detecting a hint of sarcasm....

ragingH

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Well I have a normal 2 meg upload and 15 meg download. I do however have QOS set and 1 meg of my upload is set for 24/7 upload to the internet.

it can be done folks. On a site I have 2 TB upload and only 500 G download. But then again I am a giver not a taker!

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