Behavioral Ad Industry: We're Not Creepy! New ad campaign designed to fend off consumer protection laws... Most consumers have made it pretty clear that they don't like the idea of having their online browsing activity tracked, stored and used to sell them additional crap -- particularly without their consent. That hasn't stopped ISPs from quietly selling your clickstream data (then denying it), and while consumer fears have temporarily shelved behavioral advertising efforts like Phorm or NebuAD, the billions in untapped revenues there mean that total Internet usage surveillance and monetization is arriving whether you like it or not. With a new FTC boss who proclaims to be very privacy sensitive, the only question left is whether Uncle Sam is going to pass new privacy laws protecting your rights online as we enter this brave new era. For instance, laws that consumers must opt in to any targeted ad campaign, or laws that require your ISP provide easy, quick opt-out processes. To help deter these new laws, the online advertising industry is running a huge new ad campaign this week designed to inform you, the consumer, that having everything you do online monetized isn't really creepy. The ad campaign will deliver a whopping 500 million ad impressions via most online outlets this week, and and is tied to a new website designed to "educate" consumers to the benefits of behavioral advertising. ISPs, online content companies and advertising companies, all eager to tap into billions in new revenue without pesky consumer protections, have been pushing hard for a voluntary system of self regulation. Verizon, for one, argues that consumer privacy laws aren't necessary because public shame will keep them honest. Of course with billions in cross-industry lobbying muscle collectively wooing Uncle Sam, you should be able to pretty well guess what's going to happen to any substantive, new consumer privacy laws. If it makes you feel any better, you never really had online privacy to begin with.
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 exocet_cmBuckle up, it's the lawPremium join:2003-03-23 New Orleans, LA kudos:2 | Geeze
Seriously, 1984 anyone? I get this weird feeling like I need to hide from something I can't see, touch, taste, smell, or hear. | |
|  |  | | Re: Geeze said by exocet_cm:Seriously, 1984 anyone? I get this weird feeling like I need to hide from something I can't see, touch, taste, smell, or hear. One of the 60 minutes reporters, YEARS ago, did a story how computers were able to tell a lot about you. A credit card employee, with the reporter's permission, looked at his account and saw where he shopped, how much he paid, etc. All of us have been tracked for years simply through our purchases using credit cards or checks.
There was a commercial for IBM, also years ago, that showed a couple marketing execs looking through a 1 way mirror observing people part of a focus group. One woman said she got a telemarketer trying sell her siding and she lived in an apartment building. One guy stood up and looked at the mirror yelling, "Hey! You guys! You have all the data! Why don't you use it?"
Marketing is all about getting the message out to someone who will buy. Selling diapers to a single guy with no kids doesn't work. Neither does selling heart medication to those with no heart problems. | |
|  |  |  exocet_cmBuckle up, it's the lawPremium join:2003-03-23 New Orleans, LA kudos:2 | Re: Geeze said by moonpuppy:said by exocet_cm:Seriously, 1984 anyone? I get this weird feeling like I need to hide from something I can't see, touch, taste, smell, or hear. One of the 60 minutes reporters, YEARS ago, did a story how computers were able to tell a lot about you. A credit card employee, with the reporter's permission, looked at his account and saw where he shopped, how much he paid, etc. All of us have been tracked for years simply through our purchases using credit cards or checks. There was a commercial for IBM, also years ago, that showed a couple marketing execs looking through a 1 way mirror observing people part of a focus group. One woman said she got a telemarketer trying sell her siding and she lived in an apartment building. One guy stood up and looked at the mirror yelling, "Hey! You guys! You have all the data! Why don't you use it?" Marketing is all about getting the message out to someone who will buy. Selling diapers to a single guy with no kids doesn't work. Neither does selling heart medication to those with no heart problems. Marketing, at least for me, has "programmed" me to behave a certain way. For example, when watching a television show and the program I'm watching leaves for a commercial break, I hit the mute button on the remote. It is second nature for me as I usually don't even realize it, so I guess ads have had an effect on me, not the desired effect the ad creators want I assume.
My BeyondTV automatically highlights the commercials in the playback progress bar which allows me to skip over commercials with a simple push of the "fast-forward" button.
Rarely do I pay attention to ads on the interstate (billboards). The ones I do look at I analyze how that particular ad is targeted at a particular group of people (age, gender, race, cultural, etc...). -- "I have measured out my life with coffee spoons..." - T.S Eliot "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence." - Publilius Syrus Ma blog: »www.johndball.com | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: Geeze said by exocet_cm:Marketing, at least for me, has "programmed" me to behave a certain way. For example, when watching a television show and the program I'm watching leaves for a commercial break, I hit the mute button on the remote. It is second nature for me as I usually don't even realize it, so I guess ads have had an effect on me, not the desired effect the ad creators want I assume. My BeyondTV automatically highlights the commercials in the playback progress bar which allows me to skip over commercials with a simple push of the "fast-forward" button. Rarely do I pay attention to ads on the interstate (billboards). The ones I do look at I analyze how that particular ad is targeted at a particular group of people (age, gender, race, cultural, etc...). I, like you, tend to ignore ads and have sometimes said i will not buy a product due to their marketing sometimes. If it annoys me or I find the advertisement offensive, I will not buy that product. | |
|  |  |  |  nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium join:2002-10-04 Alexandria, VA | said by exocet_cm:Marketing, at least for me, has "programmed" me to behave a certain way. For example, when watching a television show and the program I'm watching leaves for a commercial break, I hit the mute button on the remote. It is second nature for me as I usually don't even realize it, so I guess ads have had an effect on me, not the desired effect the ad creators want I assume. Muting is almost necessary, now, if you don't want to be deafened.
Marketing organizations periodically try to lobby to make commercial-skipping impossible in commercial DVRs. -- The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell | |
|  |  |  |  |  Yezidi join:2009-11-17 Brooklyn, NY | Re: Geeze They conducted a study recently which showed that people tend to look at the screen and process more of the imagery when the sound is muted. I wouldn't be surprised if it's discovered that the ads are being made deliberately louder to achieve the desired behavior of muting. | |
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 |  nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium join:2002-10-04 Alexandria, VA | said by exocet_cm:Seriously, 1984 anyone? I get this weird feeling like I need to hide from something I can't see, touch, taste, smell, or hear. I'd say more like Minority Report. -- The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell | |
|  |  swhx7Premium join:2006-07-23 Elbonia Reviews:
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| The ad industry is going to try to obscure this, but in fact the ISP spying on your traffic is very different from the websites trying to track you across the web. The difference is that you can opt out of the web tracking with adjustments to your software, but there is no escaping from wiretapping by the ISP.
It's true that the tricks to avoid being tracked require enough knowledge that they are practically unavilable to technically naive users. This can be addressed with education and opt-in/opt-out laws. (I won't see the ad campaign because obnoxious ads and offensive tracking efforts have forced me to filter out a lot of the ad servers.)
The schemes where the ISPs intercept your traffic are really evil and have to be outlawed. The politicians need to understand how this is different. Claims of not using "personally identifiable" information are not sufficient. Even being allowed to opt out of advertising based on the wiretapping is not sufficient - people must have the option of not being spied on by their ISPs (unless with a court order to investigate crime). | |
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 CheesePremium join:2003-10-26 Naples, FL kudos:1 | Yes... You are creepy, in that clown who stalks kind of way.... | |
|  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC kudos:12 | Rule #1 If you have to deny being creepy, you are. | |
|  |  drewPremium join:2002-07-10 Port Orchard, WA kudos:6 | Re: Rule #1 How true | |
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| KMA How about they see this when they try to collect data? | |
|  ndwbr join:2003-07-10 Atlanta, GA | Ads? what Ads? I use Firefox with Adblock Plus exclusively and encourage others to do the same. (I'll use Chrome and/or IE only when viable ad blocking technologies arrive for them.) I never see ads. Never. They can track all they want. I don't like it, but I don't have to participate in it. I don't see their ads and I wouldn't ever click on ads simply as a matter of policy. If everyone would practice this, maybe they'd find some other way to try to sell their crap. | |
|  |  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 1 edit | Re: Ads? what Ads? said by ndwbr (I'll use Chrome and/or IE only when viable ad blocking technologies arrive for them.)
Can't speak for Chrome, but you can get a free ad blocker for IE here: »www.ie7pro.com/
It does more than just ad blocking, but I turn off the other features in preferences and just leave ad blocking on. It has worked for me with IE7 & IE8. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page
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|  |  |  ndwbr join:2003-07-10 Atlanta, GA | Re: Ads? what Ads? Yeah, having to download and install a piece of software that does 89 distinct things (and then manually disabling 88 of them) is not my idea of a viable ad-blocking technology! (but thanks for the info!) | |
|  |  |  Its a SecretPlease speak into the microphonePremium join:2008-02-23 Da wet coast kudos:3 | FF with NoScript and ABPlus for the win! | |
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 |  nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium join:2002-10-04 Alexandria, VA | said by ndwbr:I use Firefox with Adblock Plus exclusively and encourage others to do the same. (I'll use Chrome and/or IE only when viable ad blocking technologies arrive for them.) I never see ads. Never. There's some sites, I've encountered, that AdBlock doesn't work 100% on. They seem to embed some things such that AdBlock doesn't have any effect. -- The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell | |
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 | | Clickstream is clearly not working for me? Clickstream is clearly not working for me? I just don't see advertisements in my browser anywhere for "hookers and blow." | |
|  |  NOVA_GuyObamaCare Kills AmericansPremium join:2002-03-05 | Re: Clickstream is clearly not working for me? Dear axiomatic,
You haven't shopped for that stuff for years, ever since you bought that mini van. You know- the one for your two kids, Troy and Rebecca, who are now living at 123 Evergreen Terrace with your ex-wife Sherry and her new husband Matt. Sherry is in to gardening now, and your son would like a new football for Christmas. Click here now to buy him one!
Rebecca has been chatting a lot lately with her new boyfriend Zack, and would like a new iPhone with an unlimited texting plan. Click here now to buy her one! Better yet, click here to get a great deal on two of them: one for her, and one for Zack.
How are things since the divorce, anyway? We haven't seen you on any dating sites lately. Oh, wait... here's a charge for the Singles Night Scene phone chat line. Never mind... Perhaps you're not dating much lately since you've gained a few pounds. That happens when you buy all that snack food and TV dinners from Wal Mart. Here's a coupon for Jenny Craig, since we think you could stand to lose a few pounds. And a coupon for a home gym system. Click now and we'll throw in an offer for free shipping!
Sincerely, The Ad Industry and Your ISP

PS: Creepy, ain't it?  -- To all liberals: I am NOT one of your parents, so get the heck out of my wallet. It's time for you to grow up and take some personal responsibility for taking care of yourselves, which means not relying on the government to give it all to you. | |
|  |  |  | | Re: Clickstream is clearly not working for me? LOL, thats good stuff there. | |
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Yes this is exactly what I mean Nova... too funny. | |
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| I've been toying with them for a while now... I concur on 'creepy'. The Rockwell song from the '80s ['Somebody's Watching Me'] comes to mind.
When the Win7 beta came out, I decided I'd try an experiment: I didn't install all of the privacy software I normally run on my machines. It's amazing how specific some of the advertising has become.
My advice to those concerned by snooping advertisers: Create an online persona that they can track. Make it humdrum enough to bore them to tears. Once they've established your purchasing/browsing patterns [they think], do anything you don't want them tracking with privacy software, or privacy options in your browser, enabled [doesn't apply to law enforcement; they'll know what you're doing before you do unless you pay in person in small bills]. | |
|  1 edit | Maybe it is me but..... your communications whether it is email, voice, video, IM should be private at all times regardless and require a warrant to obtain any info on at anytime for any reason.
However, you surfing the public internet is very much a public thing and is no different then you going out and roaming the neighborhood, shopping mall, or discount store. You are in the public whether you are sitting in a chair in your underwear surfing Target's website or standing in aisle 8 looking for a new pack of string bikinis for yourself. You should assume nothing more and expect nothing more. But please for the love of all that is good and pure, PUT SOME PANTS ON before you actually leave the house. | |
|  |  NOVA_GuyObamaCare Kills AmericansPremium join:2002-03-05 | Re: Maybe it is me but..... Even if I agreed 100% with your comments about surfing the public internet being public, I'd still remind you (and everyone else) that there are still stalking laws on the books. Even if someone is in public, it still doesn't give others the legal right to follow, harass, and annoy them at will. -- To all liberals: I am NOT one of your parents, so get the heck out of my wallet. It's time for you to grow up and take some personal responsibility for taking care of yourselves, which means not relying on the government to give it all to you. | |
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 aefstoggaflmOpen Source FanPremium join:2002-03-04 Bethlehem, PA kudos:1 | Advertisers lie
Do not believe what Advertisers say, they often lie.
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|  |  | | Re: Advertisers lie said by aefstoggaflm:Do not believe what Advertisers say, they often lie. ^^ Only when their lips are moving.  | |
|  |  |  chimera join:2009-06-09 Washington, DC | Re: Advertisers lie Careful, if you believe that you'll end up buying a bridge from a ventriloquist. | |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | Go ahead, track me I don't run any blocking software nor have i EVER bought anything based on an ad so you just wasted an impression on me  -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
|  | | Behavioral advertising.... Is as moral as targeting kids with tobb & alcho ads.
- A -- LETS GO METS! | |
|  1 edit | Federal Bar Against Use of Surfing/Net Use As others have already noted above, it is absolutely unacceptable for ISP's to be treating details of individual user's net/web usage as anything but highly personal and private. There needs to be strong, intelligent, rational, federal legislation (now that's a high hurdle), with serious personal, as well as corporate, criminal, and civil penalties for code violations, and it needs to be enforced, all as soon as possible. Exceptions must be included for the limited release of data for legitimate LE (and civil action) purposes, under proper Constitutionally mandated judicial review.
Oh, but wait: isn't the government STILL (now under the Obama Administration, and Dem. controlled Congress) claiming rights to this stuff (and more) without court review and order... How will that play into potential legislation and enforcement?
Note to Resident/Citizen Karl: Please, please drop the term 'consumer', if at all possible.
How about people, web or net-users, web surfers, shoppers, buyers, car shoppers, or what ever is most appropriate.
Unless one somehow remains a hunter-gatherer (living and foraging way off-grid, deep in what still may somehow have momentarily escaped progress/development), one is a 'consumer', hence everyone is a consumer, and so the word usually has no real meaning, other a reductive banding of as much possible human activity into commodification. This continual branding of as many citizens as 'consumers' (cattle heard members) acts itself to facilitate it's own acceptance. That protection/ advocacy groups use this term themselves is not very helpful.
While is can be said that anyone who surfs the web is 'consuming' bandwidth, power, 'content' ... , just as one could be termed in equally as vacuously manner an "air breather", by 'branding' all surfers as 'consumers' in the broader sense, one hastens this creeping (self) acceptance of one's existential purpose / (patriotic) duty being defined solely as an object of/for commodification.
This is, of course, the very goal of those who see the world this way, and their own "services' as indispensable aids to the betterment of humanity. | |
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