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Bell Backs Off Throttling
Several Years After Kicking Wholesalers in the Shins
by Karl Bode 09:48AM Thursday Oct 20 2011
Back in 2008, Bell Canada decided to start pre-throttling the P2P bandwidth they delivered to wholesale operators -- without telling them about it. While Bell claimed the move was about congestion, critics contend the goal was to prevent competitors from offering an unthrottled, superior alternative to Bell's Sympatico service, while also throttling competitors to Bell's video store. As a back up plan, Bell also devised a plan wherein they'd also start double dipping wholesalers by charging them additional fees for usage, a plan that resulted in a political firestorm in Canada.

Users in our forums note that Bell is now notifying wholesale customers that they may no longer be throttling them as of November. From the letter:
quote:
Effective November 2011, new links implemented by Bell to augment our DSL network may not be subject to Technical Internet Traffic Management Practices (ITMP). ITMPs were introduced in March, 2008 to address congestion on the network due to the increased use of Peer-to-Peer file sharing applications during peak periods. While congestion still exists, the impact of Peer-to-Peer file sharing applications on congestion has reduced.
With Bell never able to adequately prove the throttling was necessary due to congestion in the first place, and the ratio of P2P service use declining, Bell apparently couldn't hold up the illusion any longer -- or didn't like the cost of the added gear. It could also suggest that Bell lobbyists are making headway in getting the Canadian government to sign off on metered wholesale billing efforts, making wholesale throttling unnecessary and too costly. Throttling for retail customers remains in place.

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battleop

join:2005-09-28
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Maybe there was some truth to the congestion.

"With Bell never able to adequately prove the throttling was necessary to congestion in the first place,"

I think the addition of throttling and then the removal after network upgrades would suggest that maybe there was a congestion problem. If there was not why would they have wasted the time and money to upgrade backhauls back from the DSLAMS?

Farmer Chuck

@teksavvy.com

Re: Maybe there was some truth to the congestion.

There was never any congestion... zero, none.
funny0

join:2010-12-22
said by battleop:

"With Bell never able to adequately prove the throttling was necessary to congestion in the first place,"

I think the addition of throttling and then the removal after network upgrades would suggest that maybe there was a congestion problem. If there was not why would they have wasted the time and money to upgrade backhauls back from the DSLAMS?

280000 IPTV users they added themsleves that use the same back end as dsl net each of these IPTV users could use upto 7500GB a month and each dsl 5 megabit user a max of 1600 GB

ya 3 -4 of us to one of them.....

NewTekusr

@teksavvy.com

Great News

Does that mean they will not do that for their users?
abugg046

join:2010-04-02
Orleans, ON

Re: Great News

said by NewTekusr :

Does that mean they will not do that for their users?

Last Line... Throttling for retail customers remains in place.
a1_Andy
Premium
join:2005-12-29
Oshawa, ON
keyword here "may not be subject to Technical Internet Traffic Management Practices" Throttling would cut into bells bottom dollar, they can't have you using less bits and bytes they would be screwing themselves out of money for nothing and paying for the gear to do it.

I still hold hopes that Measurements Canada will be involved in determining the accuracy of bells/rogers traffic counters.
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD

Uh

Here's what I'm not getting, why are wholesale operators putting up with this crap? Are there legal impediments to building their own network backbone?
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TSI Martin
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Chatham, ON
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1 recommendation

Re: Uh

We haven't been just twirling our thumbs for the pas 3-4 years if you need to know.

BUCKEYECOM

@rr.com

Re: Uh

yes the public should know. Just fighting doesn't do anything but spend money on something you're not really going to fix. But buy building your last mile out FULLY you by pass bell and the rest for that. instead you do sit around twirling your thumbs and just keep bowing down to Bell and Rogers and putting up with them. in 3-4 years you could have had a good size worth of actual network put in. WiMax or anything else. Just proves that 3rd party ISPs are in it for the $$$$ and will do what ever the network provider says without problems.

NormanS
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Re: Uh

So three competing companies pulling 4,000 feet apiece of 25-pair copper F2 in the neighborhood is going to be cost effective to the last mile delivery? How high will the new utility poles have to be to support three companies' worth of last mile copper, and who pays for it?
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BUCKEYECOM

@rr.com

Re: Uh

why use copper? After all DSLR promotes Fiber. But we all know these 3rd party resellers only know how to use copper and soon will fall apart. But ever heard of put it under ground? And I also said they could use WiMax or some other wireless median too.

El Quintron
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Re: Uh

Hey hottboiinnc See Profile why aren't you trolling under your real handle?

NormanS
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said by BUCKEYECOM :

why use copper? After all DSLR promotes Fiber. But we all know these 3rd party resellers only know how to use copper and soon will fall apart. But ever heard of put it under ground? And I also said they could use WiMax or some other wireless median too.

Fiber is costly to deploy. My new ISP is deploying fiber in select cities, but mine is 17th on their list.

My ISP is a third party reseller; somewhat. My current service, however, is not resold ILEC service, though it does rely on ILEC copper. Which, BTW, is less than two years old (though the neighborhood is closer to 47 years old).

When this neighborhood was built, around 1965, local ordinance only required that the utility poles not be set on the streets. The utilities in this county have slowly been burying the lines on arterial streets. As they can set aside the capital to do so. They may never get to the point of burying all the aerial suburban housing lines.
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said by NormanS:

So three competing companies pulling 4,000 feet apiece of 25-pair copper F2 in the neighborhood is going to be cost effective to the last mile delivery? How high will the new utility poles have to be to support three companies' worth of last mile copper, and who pays for it?

The real dirt here, is that s/he has been trolling against the existence of wholesale for some time now, and has nothing good to offer on the subject.
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BUCKEYECOM

@rr.com
and its not the backbone they were throttling- it was the last mile that the resellers should be building on their own. Instead they're busy spending the $$$ on new wholesale/resell deals that are killing their business due to not being able to keep up with demand because they don't stop new signups in areas that are over sold to the point where you don't even get half of the speed you pay for.

Farmer Chuck

@teksavvy.com

The calm before the storm

Bell has never done anything for anyone unless there's something in it for them. I can tell you right now everyone at the third party isp's will be paying through the nose for bandwidth. It's sad that Canadians will be paying triple or quadruple what the rest of the world pays for internet. In about a month or two Karl will be back on here verifying what i'm stating here today. Bandwidth will soon cost a fortune in Canada for the third party isp's.

BUCKEYECOM

@rr.com

Re: The calm before the storm

they wanna compete and stay in business- tell those ISPs to build out a network of their own and not think they can stay in business by reselling something they're getting from the telco or MSO.
Riplin

join:2002-05-13
canada

not surprised

"While congestion still exists, the impact of Peer-to-Peer file sharing applications on congestion has reduced."

Of course it was reduced, people got fed up with 30k and moved over to other un-throttled protocols. Start advertising your not throttling anymore and some may move back to p2p compounding the problem once again. It's a cat & mouse game with this prick of a company. Why anyone stays with them is beyond me.
tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY

build a fiber network

until wholesalers band together and build their own fiber network then they can kick bell to the curb. wholesellers need to decide if they're going to be in the busness less then 20 years or for the next 100+ and make investments accordingly

BUCKEYECOM

@rr.com

Re: build a fiber network

and 95% of them will be out of business within the next 10years or so. They came and they will go. Most of them already have- the rest will soon to go.

lets move o

@blackberry.net

will it ever end!

When will everyone accept the fact that this is the way it is going to be. Everyone is doing it and every conceivable comment has been made. Suck it up and move on.
34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

Re: will it ever end!

said by lets move o :

When will everyone accept the fact that this is the way it is going to be. Everyone is doing it and every conceivable comment has been made. Suck it up and move on.

Except that's not true. Try pulling your head out of your ass.
bn880

join:2008-11-29

Yess

finally!
SuperWISP

join:2007-04-17
Laramie, WY

P2P throttling and blocking is a GOOD thing.

It prevents ISPs' networks from being congested -- and their valuable bandwidth consumed -- by attempts by third parties to use their bandwidth without permission or compensation. If my upstream could do this for me, I'd be thankful, because its much more effective to filter at the upstream gateway than closer to the edge of the network.