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Bell Canada Copies Sprint's $10 'Because We Can' Fee
You'll pay $10 to access HSPA+ network upgrades -- because Bell says so...
by Karl Bode 03:09PM Monday Oct 18 2010
Here in the United States, wireless carrier Sprint charges users an extra $10 "because we can" fee on top of existing charges to access Sprint's faster Mobile WiMax network. In other words, Mobile WiMax users simply pay $10 more than their EVDO/CDMA counterparts for no discernible reason, and it's a fee that Sprint says might be getting higher. Bell Canada's taking a page out of Sprint's fee playbook and now charging customers an extra $10 if they want to enjoy faster HSPA+ upgrades:
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BGR has just obtained a memo that indicates Bell customers will have to fork over a $10 per month premium for access to the company’s HSPA+ wireless network. The memo seems to indicate that the first set of devices to succumb to this fate will be a "Turbo Stick" and "Turbo Hub"; the memo is vague enough (mentioning “high speed devices”) that it could include smartphones. This may be the unfortunate reality we’re all going to have to deal with as carriers go to 4G...
It's only a reality if you agree to pay for it. The funny part is that nobody at a carrier can effectively say why you should pay this fee on top of your existing data plan. Network upgrades ease congestion, and backhaul bandwidth and network hardware prices continue to drop. The closest Sprint ever got to an explanation was their claim that the fee "gives the user a richer data experience."

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whiteyonenh

join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH

Whats to prevent people from buying unlocked devices?

Lets say that someone wanted to avoid this fee. I would assume that because it's hspa+, you should be able to just buy an unlocked/unbranded device, and as long as it isn't marketed by bell, and as long as bell doesn't have the imei in the database, you should be able to still use the faster network. Unless they start provisioning a different login for hspa+ specific devices, and blocking regular logins from authenticating on hspa+, I don't see how they can enforce this.
hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

Re: Whats to prevent people from buying unlocked devices?

and when you activate that device you get the extra $10 fee when the IEMI. They also can enforce no unlocked devices onto that network. so you're screwed either way

elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
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said by whiteyonenh:

Lets say that someone wanted to avoid this fee. I would assume that because it's hspa+, you should be able to just buy an unlocked/unbranded device, and as long as it isn't marketed by bell, and as long as bell doesn't have the imei in the database, you should be able to still use the faster network. Unless they start provisioning a different login for hspa+ specific devices, and blocking regular logins from authenticating on hspa+, I don't see how they can enforce this.
They'll use a different APN, like Rogers does for VPN access, even if you know how to add the apn (Wink wink) if you IMEI is not authorized, you ain't getting on.
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whiteyonenh

join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH

Re: Whats to prevent people from buying unlocked devices?

said by elwoodblues:

They'll use a different APN, like Rogers does for VPN access, even if you know how to add the apn (Wink wink) if you IMEI is not authorized, you ain't getting on.
Ok, so irregardless, I'm sure that someone will find a way, even if it doesn't become mainstream, i would think that it is still possible with many devices to modify the imei, like you can modify the ESN of cdma devices. While that is illegal, it is entirely possible to change such.

Camelot One
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Greenwood, IN
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gives the user a richer data experience.

The one and only thing that gives Sprint users "a richer data experience" is switching to another carrier.

But Bell Canada is pretty good about making the worst American operators look like saints.
xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Re: gives the user a richer data experience.

said by Camelot One:

The one and only thing that gives Sprint users "a richer data experience" is switching to another carrier.
Not ATT or VZW. Even with the $10 EVO tax, the net monthly service cost is still less than ATT/VZW and with no data limits (yet).

fcisler
Premium
join:2004-06-14
Riverhead, NY

1 recommendation

Re: gives the user a richer data experience.

said by xenophon:

Even with the $10 EVO tax, the net monthly service cost is still less than ATT/VZW and with no data limits (yet).
THIS. I save money every month even WITH the $10 fees AND guess what? I don't drop every other call like AT&T.

iLive4Fusion
Premium
join:2006-07-13

Re: gives the user a richer data experience.

said by fcisler:

said by xenophon:

Even with the $10 EVO tax, the net monthly service cost is still less than ATT/VZW and with no data limits (yet).
THIS. I save money every month even WITH the $10 fees AND guess what? I don't drop every other call like AT&T.
That's because you don't have an iPhone.
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fcisler
Premium
join:2004-06-14
Riverhead, NY

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Re: gives the user a richer data experience.

Actually YES I did, I had a iPhone 3GS. Your point?

iLive4Fusion
Premium
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Re: gives the user a richer data experience.

said by fcisler:

Actually YES I did, I had a iPhone 3GS. Your point?
My point was you don't drop calls anymore because your not using an iPhone anymore. Of course your going to have many dropped calls with the iPhone. That's a crappy phone, any other phone on AT&T would have worked good.
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Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29
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About the $10.00 Fee, I think that Camelot One has it backwards. He should state that "Gives the user a data experience that makes Sprint and Bell Canada richer!"

jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1

Advertised Price of Plan

These fee increases need to be included within the advertised plan price. I know for Sprint, they separate the $10 monthly fee from the plan's base rate, yet there is no option for the consumer to drop this $10 fee. In my opinion, it must be included in the advertised rate of the plan. The $99.99 Simply Everything plan is actually $109.99, and that is how it should appear in the literature and online when pitching these plans for a new 4G device.
Cogdis

join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY

Re: Advertised Price of Plan

Does anybody else find it hilarious that they sell a "Simply Everything" plan that doesn't include everything?

Camelot One
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Greenwood, IN
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Re: Advertised Price of Plan

"Everything" is the new "unlimited".
whiteyonenh

join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH
said by jmn1207:

These fee increases need to be included within the advertised plan price. I know for Sprint, they separate the $10 monthly fee from the plan's base rate, yet there is no option for the consumer to drop this $10 fee. In my opinion, it must be included in the advertised rate of the plan. The $99.99 Simply Everything plan is actually $109.99, and that is how it should appear in the literature and online when pitching these plans for a new 4G device.
Simple answer... how about having a Simply Everything 3G plan for the regular phones, and a Simply Everything 4G plan for the 4G devices. That way it's built into the plan, and people will stop bitching that it's a fee that can't be dropped. Make the Simply Everything 3G plan "incompatible" with 4G devices, ala the old SERO, which claimed incompatibility with WebOS devices, Android Devices, and certain Sprint feature phones, like the Instinct. The "fee" would then be included in the base rate of the plan.

While I agree that the $10 fee is BS, there's always a way to market it that will piss the least amount of people off. And requiring the Fee and not allowing it to be dropped if you're not in a 4G market is stupid, but I suppose that's just the way they want to market it.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Wasn't that also what the Canadian 'SAF' was also used for ?

To help build better networks. This sounds like an extra cash grab 'just because'.
Its bad enough that in Canada, you typically have:
- 3 year contracts
- voicemail + CID are extras
- pay for long distance calls made
- pay for long distance calls received
- pay for detailed billing
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Ben
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join:2007-06-17
Glen Carbon, IL

Re: Wasn't that also what the Canadian 'SAF' was also used for ?

said by en102:

To help build better networks. This sounds like an extra cash grab 'just because'.
Its bad enough that in Canada, you typically have:
- 3 year contracts
- voicemail + CID are extras
- pay for long distance calls made
- pay for long distance calls received
- pay for detailed billing
     Do you mean that in Canada, a typical subscriber has to pay MORE to receive a long distance call than to receive a local call?

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

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Re: Wasn't that also what the Canadian 'SAF' was also used for ?

On wireless, you typically have to pay LD on an incoming call.

Eg. If you're in Toronto, and someone calls you and you're outside of your local area (even if you have a national plan), you'll have to pay LD fees on the receiving end. Might as well be called roaming.

From Rogers (same applies to Bell/Telus)
»www.rogers.com/web/content/add-o···vince=ON

Local? Long Distance?
With your wireless phone, calls are defined as local or long distance based on local calling areas. Your location at the time of the call, your wireless phone number and the phone number called are all important factors in determining local calling areas and wireless long distance.

* View a complete list of countries and rates

* Get answers to frequently asked questions

INCOMING CALLING is when you receive a call on your wireless device.
Your INCOMING LOCAL CALLING AREA is the area or geographic boundary 3 associated with your wireless number. All calls that you receive on your wireless device while you are physically within that area are local. All calls that you receive while physically outside of that area are long distance. The number calling you is irrelevant!

OUTGOING CALLING is when you place a call on your wireless device.
Your OUTGOING LOCAL CALLING AREA is determined by your physical location - the area you are in at any given moment. If you dial a number that is local to your physical location, then it is a local call. If you dial a number that is a long distance to your physical location, then it is a long distance call. Your wireless number is irrelevant!
*Note: In the case of mobile to mobile calling , the physical location of the person you are calling is also irrelevant.
Outgoing Calling Tip: If you're not sure if a call is long distance, dial without the "1" in front of the area code (just dial the area code and 7-digit number). Your call will be completed with an operator message telling you it's a long distance call.
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munky99999
Munky

join:2004-04-10
canada

The problem...

You have bell/telus network or the rogers network. If you're really lucky you can get WIND or mobilicity.

The issue being... if you want to ditch bell... you're only other choice really is the rogers network. But then... how long until Rogers chooses to just add $10 to their bills? Not long at all.

elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
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Re: The problem...

I agree it won't be long at all, in Canada competition is called "Monkey see, Monkey Do"
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notyet321

@verizon.net

Close...

"gives the user company a richer data profit experience"
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
Reviews:
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·Verizon Online DSL

Sprint fee is somewhat justified

Sprint may be paying a 4G per device fee to Clear for smartphones running on that network. Rememberf that Sprint is not the one building the ntwork...Clear I, and Sprint just happens to own a little over half of that company.

Also, the Evo and Epic have a lot packed into them. An alternate hypothesis states that the fee helps subsidize these phones so their sticker price is similar to phones on other carriers despite, for example, the additional WiMAX radio (not cheap yet).

There's also this little item of 4G being three times faster than what Verizon can do at the moment...with no cap.

If you don't want the 4G fee you don't have to pay it. Just get the Samsung Transform instead of the Epic or Evo. You still get dual cameras andAndroid 2.1 with 2.2 coming soonish. That phone also happens to be less expensive than the 4G phones, in case you actually want to save money rather than complain about the $10 surcharge.

As for Bell, they have no good reason to implement the fee. Hopefully customers choose Telus instead...same network, different pricing.
slckusr
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Greenville, SC
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Re: Sprint fee is somewhat justified

A 10$ fee for 4G service in an area that doesnt offer 4G is somewhat justified?

We offer 100mbps fiber connections in New Jersey, In order to provide that we charge an extra 10.00 fee. But big company you dont offer any landline internet or phone services in my area, why am i still paying the premium?.
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2

Re: Sprint fee is somewhat justified

Apples to oranges. Get a phone incapable of doing 4G and you won't have the fee tacked on. You won't get the Evo or the Epic that way, but with the introduction of the Samsung Transform et al it's not such a huge deal.
slckusr
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Re: Sprint fee is somewhat justified

said by iansltx:

Apples to oranges. Get a phone incapable of doing 4G and you won't have the fee tacked on. You won't get the Evo or the Epic that way, but with the introduction of the Samsung Transform et al it's not such a huge deal.
Their still charging you for something you cannot use. Unless of course you travel out of your home area. At which point much like roaming a 10 dallar 4g fee appears on your bill. There is no defense for charging you for a service you have no way to use. unless of course you travel.
iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2

Re: Sprint fee is somewhat justified

Is there a local cellular company in your area? Do you use it? If not, why not? Because last I checked local cellular companies are cheaper than national ones if you get a local-area-only plan...

joako
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So if you don't want it you still have to pay it is what you said.

For example where I live Sprint has no 4G network. What if people here like a certain phone, they must pay for a service they can't use if they want that phone.

I don't think anyone disagrees that if you live in a 4G area and want to use that service $10/month is a reasonable price for it.
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iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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Re: Sprint fee is somewhat justified

...and if you want an iPhone, you have to pay even more!

Metatron2008
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united state

I'd pay $10 extra.

If the wimax service was noticebly better then At&t.

Until then fuck off Sprint.
Happydude32
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Re: I'd pay $10 extra.

AT&T sucks the dick. Getting rid of their lousy service, ridiculously slow speeds and the subpar iPhone was the best $110 I ever spent. (Cancled with 9 months left to go in my contract) AT&T blows chunks. Not to mention not only do I get better, faster and more reliable service with Sprint, I also get service in plenty of places I had none with AT&T.

I'd have to say Sprint is noticebly better then A Fee&Fee

AT&T 3G, Full Bars


Sprint 3G, Full Bars


Sprint 4G, Full bars



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Metatron2008
Premium
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united state

Re: I'd pay $10 extra.

In Atlanta and Metro I get 3 d/1.2 u for At&t. I get worse speeds for Wimax.

That should change should they ever upgrade their service, but right now Wimax is worse.

The Limit
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Greensboro, NC
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So...

Don't buy it. Smartphones are not necessities, they are luxuries. I have one, and when my contract is up, I won't be renewing.

I'm looking for an alternative honestly because I could be using that money for something else other than a smartphone. Only reason why I even have a smartphone is for the google maps navigation, and the fact that I can look up any number on the internet on the fly without having to lug a phone book around everywhere I go.

I have facebook, and admit to using it on my smartphone quite often, but I don't NEEEEED it.
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jfmezei
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3g is only option for newer phones.

Because Bell Canada (and Telus) only operate 3G GSM and offer no fallback to 2.5G GPRS/EDGE, onwers of GSM phones have no choice but to use the 3g offering.

Rogers, having had GSM for a few years, provides both 2.5 and 3g, so one could disable 3g to avoid such fees and fall back to 2.5g.

But on Bell, an iPhone would have no service if you disable 3g.

So onwers of locked iphones will have no choice but to pay that $10 tax.

funny_one

@dsl.bell.ca

Re: 3g is only option for newer phones.

The $10 charge is optional and not a "tax". Didn't anyone read the article?
chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01
San Jose, CA

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So whats there in Canada?

Anything fun? Especially in Southwestern Ontario?

I was told everything there is more expensive. Gasoline, food, beer, vodka, roads are worse and narrower, and many people there still warm their houses with wood instead oil or electricity.

Some people there for winter, have even to prepare a stock of supply of food and raise farm animals to survive winter and unplowed roads covered with 10 feet snow.

So nothing surprises me there. Especially sh**ty technology and subprime cell phone, telephone and broadband services.

eh Canada, I planned to go there for vacation but I will just save my money to another state (Miami, Florida )

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33358088
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bell who?

who uses bell for an actual phone of any kind must seriously need a whole in head

yes i have dry loop via tsi but that will change , either cable comes ot me or i migrate when the caps come to nexicom.

trainwreck6

join:2010-09-21
off track

Bhell

bhell can kiss my ass cheeks.