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join:2008-02-26 | I don't know why I bother.... I can't even read this guys stuff without getting infuriated.
How is it that he can spread such lies and deceit, and still look at himself in the mirror?
Every time I read something in the press from him, I feel sick. | |
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| Re: I don't know why I bother.... said by derekm  :I can't even read this guys stuff without getting infuriated. How is it that he can spread such lies and deceit, and still look at himself in the mirror? Every time I read something in the press from him, I feel sick. Are you referring to Bibic or Karl?  
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join:2001-10-05
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| Re: I don't know why I bother.... said by TK Junk Mail :said by derekm :I can't even read this guys stuff without getting infuriated. How is it that he can spread such lies and deceit, and still look at himself in the mirror? Every time I read something in the press from him, I feel sick. Are you referring to Bibic or Karl? if you think Karl is lying and deceitful, why are you here so much?
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join:2005-07-22
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| Re: I don't know why I bother.... said by nasadude :if you think Karl is lying and deceitful, why are you here so much? In journalism, honesty and transparency can only be measured by the editor's neutrality, however forced it may be. DSLR is a great resource. That doesn't mean it can't be better. IMO, Karl stooped to the same blatant "spin" (and advocacy) as the Madeconian cab driver. It doesn't reflect well on what is a terrific site.
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| Re: I don't know why I bother.... said by amigo_boy :...IMO, Karl stooped to the same blatant "spin" (and advocacy) as the Madeconian cab driver. ... Mark maybe you can help me see the light and point out Karl's "blatant spin".
btw, spin and advocacy are somewhat different; advocacy puts forth an honest argument; spin tries to convince the listener that black is really white. | |
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join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
·magicjack.com
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| Re: I don't know why I bother.... said by nasadude :btw, spin and advocacy are somewhat different; advocacy puts forth an honest argument; spin tries to convince the listener that black is really white. Baghdad Bob was an advocate for Saddam's government. Do you really see a difference?
I think DSLR readers are capable of forming their own conclusions. The fact that news has to be presented to with a [desired] conclusion is troubling. That always makes me question the conclusion. I guess it's even ironic coming from someone who considers themself a "question authority" type.
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Frodo failed. Bush has the ring
join:2005-12-09
Blacklick, OH
| Re: I don't know why I bother.... said by amigo_boy :said by nasadude :btw, spin and advocacy are somewhat different; advocacy puts forth an honest argument; spin tries to convince the listener that black is really white. Baghdad Bob was an advocate for Saddam's government. Do you really see a difference? I think DSLR readers are capable of forming their own conclusions. The fact that news has to be presented to with a [desired] conclusion is troubling. That always makes me question the conclusion. I guess it's even ironic coming from someone who considers themself a "question authority" type. Mark Considering your pro-corporate, anti-consumer views, it's not surprising you're complaining about this. | |
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| Re: I don't know why I bother.... said by digitalfreak :Considering your pro-corporate, anti-consumer views, it's not surprising you're complaining about this. I "spun advocacy" for the low-use consumer. I guess it was the wrong consumer. (Human nature again? Don't gore my ox?).
I wouldn't say I'm pro corporate. In the case of ISPs who control infrastructure, I'd place them under regulation like public utilities. It seems pointless to apply free market terms to them (about not reinvesting in infrastructure, shareholders reaping too much reward, losing business as a result) when there's virtually no competition.
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| Re: I don't know why I bother.... They are regulated (DSL and cable service is regulated so that it must be offered to wholesalers), which is why the case is before the CRTC.
There are three questions posed to the CRTC, really, far as I can tell:
1) Under the current regulations, is Bell allowed to throttle wholesalers?
2) Does Bell's use of DPI violate PIPEDA and other privacy laws?
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| said by amigo_boy :IMO, Karl stooped to the same blatant "spin" (and advocacy) as the Madeconian cab driver. It doesn't reflect well on what is a terrific site. IMO, Karl is what makes this a terrific site. Karl is probing issues and bringing up questions that just aren't covered anywhere else. And it's a great launchpad for all the back and forth in the followup posts.
There's plenty of outlets that don't invite critical thinking. And those outlets aren't nearly as thriving as this one. | |
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join:2005-12-18
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| Mr. Bibic probably has a business management degree, which teaches that perception is more important than reality. He's been taught that he can do anything he wants as long as he puts a good face on it for the public.
How else can anyone claim that P2P is just "a high bandwidth use technology" while his platform is "content-distribution network technology"? Wow, his is plainly better now!
BTW, someone should tell him that there are many interstate highways that were once two lanes that now have 10-12 lanes in each direction.
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join:2006-09-18
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| But it's a series of tubes It's not like a highway. Sheesh, doesn't anyone ever listen to the wisdom of our republican senators? The internet is a series of TUBES. And sometimes, when you try and send an 'internet', it make take DAYS to get to it's destinations, because the tubes are all backed up. Of course, if you try and send a dump truck down the tube, the tube will get backed up. The solution, of course, is to ban all cars from the tubes, then that interweb thing will work faster for everyone. The internet? Is that thing still around anyway?
If you have a 2 lane highway that's congested, you upgrade it to a 4 lane highway. No matter HOW MUCH you upgrade, sometimes, it will be crowded, sometimes it won't. Of course if you're a right wing nut case republican, you would support the PRIVATE (read: paid) addition of additional lanes for the highway, that only those willing to pay more could take. Doesn't matter if the regular internet gets congested, because if you pay more, you can take the 'high speed' lane.
So, to put in in american analogy, all the RICH people will drive on the 'fast' highway, while all the regular people will be stuck in the 'slow lane'. Doesn't matter that the highway was paid for by EQUAL DISTRIBUTION (read: rich and poor), it only matter that the rich people get special treatment. The nerve of those working class slobs, thinking they should get what THEIR MONEY paid for.
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join:2007-11-29
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| Re: But it's a series of tubes Again though the argument of getting what you pay for comes into play. I do agree a wholesaler shouldn't hinder traffic of it's customers but then.... what makes them different than an ISP. One could though lay down the example of when PSI (I believe) began running their commercial customers through a transparent web-cache which ultimately began the decline of that "feature".
I find it amusing though the difference between rich and poor you mention, the case of the rich getting more of what they pay for than the poor. The rich pay for T1's at anywhere from $300 - $600 per circuit at 1.5mbps. A 'poor' person pays 50 dollars a month for 5mbps. Which one of these is getting what they pay for? | |
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join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
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| Re: But it's a series of tubes said by NetKrazy :I find it amusing though the difference between rich and poor you mention, the case of the rich getting more of what they pay for than the poor. The rich pay for T1's at anywhere from $300 - $600 per circuit at 1.5mbps. A 'poor' person pays 50 dollars a month for 5mbps. Which one of these is getting what they pay for? Bad example, a T1 is nothing more than a DSL modem hidden in a metal box. The only reason companies pay $199 to $600 for one is the illusion presented that it won't ever go down. What you are really paying for is just more responsive tech support. I've dealt with enough "T1" installs in which I and the phone company have a good chuckle when they hook up the DSL modem, assign it a static IP, and bill the customer out the ying yang for service.
T1 is just a buzz word now, it's no longer 24 channels of 64 kbs like it use to be back when it really took 24 channels to get that speed. The phone companies and the like jumped to DSL last century, but who would pay for it when everyone else could DSL for cheaper and at the same or higher speed.
Don't believe me, open up the box for your T1 service. Did it you get it before 1998? It might be the real deal. But you are pretty much going to get a DSL modem in disguise now a days.
At least from AT&T (Bellsouth then) you will, but at least Covad admits it's just a DSL modem 
When you jump into phone lines, it's a different story, but the same confusing terms to further confuse customers. You can have a T1 that gives you 24 phone lines, that's for real. But it's a completely different (and even more confusing for customers) setup. I don't know how many countless companies I've helped ditch their "T1" Internet for DSL from a competitor that offered the same speed or faster service for nearly 1/6 of the price.
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Scarborough, ON | Re: But it's a series of tubes Actually the company I work for has a T1 installed 2 years ago in Ontario and it's the real deal, not DSL. And the latency to the first hop is much lower (4 ms) than DSL (usually 10 ms in the same area) | |
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| said by knightmb :Bad example, a T1 is nothing more than a DSL modem hidden in a metal box. HDSL and consumer-grade ASDL aren't really the same thing. HDSL has fixed framing, is a repeatable signal, and is able to be pattern tested the same way you would a T1. The diagnostic capabilities are significantly greater on a T1, largely due to the smartjack at the point of demarcation. | |
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| At the rate the Canadian internet is progressing either you get a T1, a T2 or T3 connection or dial-up from your country America. You don't seem to realize the internet in Canada is capped at a rate that makes anything other than reading email and trying to browse the internet (some web site are blocked)a total waste of money become of unlimited overuse fees. These fee can run as high as tens of thousands of dollars per subscriber per month. In addition most ports are blocks and speed throttling and traffic shaping makes almost everything else completely useless. Please America provide us with better satellite internet. | |
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| Re: But it's a series of tubes said by Froggy :
Please America provide us with better satellite internet.
You should be asking the Japanese instead.
They recently launched a comms satellite which can do 155Mbps (if my memory is correct) up/down per connection. They want to have disaster-proof comms for when the major earthquake and accompanying tsunami wipes out much of their land based infrastructure. | |
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Fier d'etre trifluvien
join:2007-08-16
Trois-Rivieres, QC
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| Oups! So according to Bibic's view, is better to treat their customers as a garbage instead to upgrade their networks.
So Bell Canada I gonna tell you something especially this goes to Bibic
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join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ | Re: Oups! Maybe you guys need metered billing. I wouldn't want to pay for those extra rush-hour lanes just because you need it.
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join:2005-01-08
Etobicoke, ON | Re: Oups! Scary enough, if you are with bell or rogers, it's already set that way, on top of throttling. | |
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join:2006-06-19
Montreal, QC
| said by amigo_boy :Maybe you guys need metered billing. I wouldn't want to pay for those extra rush-hour lanes just because you need it. Mark It's funny though, other ISPs can provide the infrastructure to everyone (Videotron, Teksavvy, Adanac, etc). So it's basically Bell trying to make Sympatico profitable by cutting down on infrastructure instead of managing their business properly.
What Bell is trying to do here is to fit a highway traffic on a boulevard and forcing the competition to close their highways and turn them into boulevards as well, cause they know not many people will want to drive their streets when others have their highways opened.
Reading your answer though, maybe you'd rather be forced to drive on Bell's boulevard and pay extra while doing it, instead of driving on a better highway at a lower price by the competitors Bell is trying to muzzle. | |
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Trois-Rivieres, QC | I aggre that Bell and Rogers are the leaders of the half-given-and-throttled internet service | |
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join:2004-11-10
Belleville, ON | just plain awesome Hi I'm Mirko Bibic and with the powers of my shit-eating grin, I WILL STEAL YOUR SOUL!
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join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
·Rogers Hi-Speed
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| Congratulations Bell On being the most hated company in all of Canada!
Every day I find more people to sign up to resellers.
Based on the aggressive marketing campaign that bell has on right now I would say they are losing customers in a major way.
Mr. Bibic, to use an analogy you can understand, If you have been on the 401 recently between say montreal and Windsor you might notice that most of the way in the congested areas, we have increased the width of the road to 3 lanes. Where previously, we could have 2 lanes, INCREASES in traffic volume have necessitated BUILDING more lanes.
To date I haven't seen the police arbitrarily removing groups of vehicles that all fall under one type of traffic to produce a positive effect of traffic flows.
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join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
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| Re: Congratulations Bell said by backness :If you have been on the 401 recently between say montreal and Windsor you might notice that most of the way in the congested areas, we have increased the width of the road to 3 lanes. Who should pay for that? The people in Moose Jaw?
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andyb
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SW Ontario | Re: Congratulations Bell Bell doesn't service Moose Jaw.Bell should pay for it.It's part of owning a company.Reinvestment.Don't reinvest watch your company go down the toilet as it gets left behind. | |
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join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
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| Re: Congratulations Bell said by andyb :Bell doesn't service Moose Jaw. Bell should pay for it. Creating cash with their printing presses in the basement? Or, from revenues? If it's the latter, who should pay? Using the highway 401 example, should those contributing to the congestion (and benefiting the most from an expansion) pay for an expansion? Or, should it be the people in unrelated, rural areas?
I can't believe Bell wouldn't expand if a sizable number of people offered to pay for their usage.
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| | backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
·Rogers Hi-Speed
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| Shows how little you know about Canada,
We have equalization payments. Ontario, for the better part of the century, has contributed support to almost all the other provinces financially.
And this debate is not about who pays and who doesn't. Its about blocking certain types of traffic.
To use a proper analogy, its like saying if we could just remove all the Chinese from the highway our problems would be solved. | |
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join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
·magicjack.com
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| Re: Congratulations Bell said by backness :To use a proper analogy, its like saying if we could just remove all the Chinese from the highway our problems would be solved. You should take that up with "backness" who used the congestion/expansion analogy. It seems like a much more natural analogy to me. Comparing it to racial discrimination is a bit over the top, IMO.
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join:2006-08-30
Toronto, ON | Sure, its all one pot and the folks in the Montreal-Windsor corridor pay for services in Moose Jaw that Moose Jaw proper couldn't afford otherwise. | |
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jhawk44
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USA | 5. Then they fight you. 6. Then you win. | |
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join:2002-11-19
Canada | Ha! He's got that same greasy, sleazy look that Ryan on The Offce had in season 4.
Here's hoping this lying bastard is hauled off in cuffs, too... | |
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MattE
Obama '08
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Kdee
join:2005-08-26
Etobicoke, ON | Does this guy.... .... have a Facebook page with embarrassing quotes in it? If so, we need to find it fast! | |
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@teksavvy.com | Bell video service, the content that we will be distributing Bell video service, the content that we will be distributing, is using peer to peer.
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Dallas, TX | Is Baghdad Bob Bibic's boss? Because he sure sounds like the former Iraqi Information
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join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ | Re: Is Baghdad Bob Bibic's boss? He looks like a Macedonian cab driver I once knew.
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@rogers.com | Let Us Not Offend... Let us not offend my buddy Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf... | |
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Jcan
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| Wow! This side of the propaganda is a little more extreme Though I don't agree with it, I understand your ire with Bell Canada. YOUR use of the service is being affected and that annoys you a little. Ok, A LOT. I have to say that I would have expected DISCUSSION on these forums, not full out propaganda. I have to say that yours is much more extreme than what Rogers and Bell are putting out.
Quite frankly, if you HAVE to have the latest Linux distro RIGHT NOW and absolutely can't wait until after 2am when the throttling is turned off, maybe you have bigger problems than throttling. Perhaps you could use a timer feature to download during the day?? I am assuming you are using P2P for legit reasons, not just downloading movies and music. Otherwise, you propaganda would be over the top... | |
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join:2007-12-26
Brockville, ON
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| Re: Wow! This side of the propaganda is a little more extreme Dear Jcan and anyone else that agrees with his comments...
You may agree with Bell and all the rest of the corporate overlords for the rest of your corporate given life on this planet.
HOWEVER, the rest of us PAY for a Broadband HighSpeed Always-On Internet connection that for many of us is, or should be 5Mb/sec ALL THE TIME that the modem is switched on and connected. Therefore we EXPECT to be able to USE that available bandwidth whenever we want to and need to. We are the ones that decide HOW to use it, NOT BELL. Bell is just renting the pipe to us.
So, I am paying for a 5Mb/s ALWAYS ON pipe. That should give me (theoretically), @ 5Mb/s, about 300Mb/minute (or 35MBytes), about 18000Mb/hour (2.2GB/hour?), about 432000Mb/day (50.3GB/day), about 12960000Mb/month (1508.7GB or 1.4TByte/month).
Or are my calculations mis-calculated?
So now that I have worked out the maximum that I should theoretically be getting on my DSL connection, I have to ask myself "Just what am I paying for?"
I could rant and rave a little more and get myself more upset, but I think I will let others do that.
Just remember. I am paying Bell for an ALWAYS on, 5Mb/sec DSL connection. I am not paying Bell for a ALWAYS on, 5MB/sec "when and if they decide to graciously permit me to maybe get to the speed limit that they arbitarily determine depending on the CEO's fart of the day" connection.
And the cockamanie bull that these ISPs have managed to get people to believe about congestion, etc. and that they "have" to manage it by using DPI.... Please... If you believe that, then you have been brainwashed and need to be ripped a new orifice to give you braindrain and allow you to think again!
said by Jcan :
Though I don't agree with it, I understand your ire with Bell Canada. YOUR use of the service is being affected and that annoys you a little. Ok, A LOT. I have to say that I would have expected DISCUSSION on these forums, not full out propaganda. I have to say that yours is much more extreme than what Rogers and Bell are putting out.
Quite frankly, if you HAVE to have the latest Linux distro RIGHT NOW and absolutely can't wait until after 2am when the throttling is turned off, maybe you have bigger problems than throttling. Perhaps you could use a timer feature to download during the day?? I am assuming you are using P2P for legit reasons, not just downloading movies and music. Otherwise, you propaganda would be over the top...
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Resident Pentaxian
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join:2002-06-09
Chicoutimi | Pretty... Doesn't he have the most yellow charming smile?
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| Time TO BUY EGGS yes folks the time to commit eggorist acts has arrived.
We have been invaded by the foreign American Hollywood devils and must defend ourselves.
Everytime one of these suits walks into public we should toss an egg at them.
FRIED if you wish to make a true statement of how crappy and stoned our internet is.
A) these eggorist acts will harm no one other then force some overly paid moron to clean the suit and look like the baffon he/she is.
B) press coverage off eggorist activity will be all the rage and require new anti-eggorist laws.
Eggorists will be arrested without trials and held at
Old Macdonalds Farm, until we can get there hen thats laying all htese eggs.
/satire by eggorists-R-us
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| Re: Time TO BUY EGGS said by chronoss2008 :yes folks the time to commit eggorist acts has arrived. We have been invaded by the foreign American Hollywood devils and must defend ourselves. Everytime one of these suits walks into public we should toss an egg at them. FRIED if you wish to make a true statement of how crappy and stoned our internet is. A) these eggorist acts will harm no one other then force some overly paid moron to clean the suit and look like the baffon he/she is. B) press coverage off eggorist activity will be all the rage and require new anti-eggorist laws. Eggorists will be arrested without trials and held at Old Macdonalds Farm, until we can get there hen thats laying all htese eggs. /satire by eggorists-R-us OH and when is my dad getting back the money you stole ???Mr BONHEADIC This thread now has everything.
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join:2001-02-26
antarctica | It's not the LENGTH of the pipe, it's the bandWIDTH. The hilarious thing is that P2P only maxes a download connection if you're lucky and have alot of uploaders, while their new video service will always fill the pipe. Their argument that P2P is harder on their network is total bull. | |
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join:2008-05-25
Vanier, ON
| Overpaid liers -all of them Bell doesn't own "anything" and most especially the Lines/Network.
WE ALL OWN them publicly-because we're paying for it MONTHLY. And we have been paying for it for over 100 years !!!
-They are simply paid to maintain them.
Instead they steal our money(via profits) just to give themselves higher salaries, way too many
"OVERPAID" useless executives at BELL.
Why is my 1-Meg connection in Costa Rica "faster" than any ISP can provide me in Canada ? -becuase Costa-Rica doesn't "throttle" they're customers.
And I have seen their equipment -its all Fibre-Optics, and guess what name is on all that equipment. Thats right,
"Made in Canada by Nortel Networks"
So, can someone at Bell kindly tell me again that we have "Network Congestion" in Canada. Comon, I double-dare ya.
Canada/Telecommunications has been a world leader in the Internet/Network medium so gimme a freakin' break.
As I said and can prove those Exec Bell Heads' are ALL LIERS' and our Canadian government should legally charge and arrest them all. | |
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join:2005-08-23
St Catharines, ON | Re: Overpaid liers -all of them Bell are all liars and they know it. They mess people services up , they screw small companies around. I hope they burn and bankrupt to the ground | |
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