EveryName Premium Member join:2001-12-05 Montreal |
Oh great!I'm going to cancel my service in that case. I need GPS, and the GPS service which Bell supplies for $10 a month is absolute CRAP! Google Maps is the best, and if they start throttling my GPS traffic, GOOD BYE BELL! | |
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Re: Oh great!Verizon and T-Mobile charge $10 a month. I just checked T-Mobile today as I looked over their 8820. Lady said to get GPS to work, it would be $10 a month. I am not sure if you get an unlocked phone you can bypass this "feature." | |
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Re: Oh great!said by griff1013:I just checked T-Mobile today as I looked over their 8820. Lady said to get GPS to work, it would be $10 a month. I have T-Mobile, and GPS (actually aGPS as implemented on mobile phones) works just fine on my (currently carrier-locked) TM506 without any $10/mo charge, which is probably for subscription to TeleNav, whose GPS mapping application T-Mobile preloads on many of its phones. If you are content with just getting your coordinates using GPS, there's absolutely no charge for that. OTOH, if you need maps to go with it, you'll need to do one of the following: (1) subscribe to a data plan to download maps on the fly (there are free GPS apps that use maps from Google, Yahoo, etc), or (2) pay TeleNav, or (3) write your own app that can read stored maps on flash media etc. | |
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Re: Oh great!I've got VerizonWireless and aGPS on the Samsung i760. No aGPS for me without dialing 9-1-1.
Since its aGPS, I'm not really too miffed about VerizonWireless limiting its use, since aGPS uses their database and SMS system and coordination (my device doesn't have native GPS).
But VerizonWireless seems to have gone out of its way to disable native GPS on some of its Blackberry devices -- and that's despicable. | |
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FFH5
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2008-Sep-25 4:17 pm
Good question asked at blog post that started this story» www.wellingtonfund.com/b ··· terally/# xxxxxxx Says: September 24th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Before this thing gets too far, do we have any validation of this internal memo?
Dont get me wrong, Id not be surprised to see the rusted sinking hull of Bell make such a move, but is there any credible evidence that this memo exists? No confirmation of this internal memo other than that post by an anonymous person at the web site. | |
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Re: Good question asked at blog post that started this storyHey, it was on a blog - it must be true. | |
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said by FFH5:» www.wellingtonfund.com/b ··· terally/# xxxxxxx Says: September 24th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Before this thing gets too far, do we have any validation of this internal memo?
Dont get me wrong, Id not be surprised to see the rusted sinking hull of Bell make such a move, but is there any credible evidence that this memo exists? No confirmation of this internal memo other than that post by an anonymous person at the web site. The first mention of this I found was on Hofo, and it was posted by a very reputable member who works at a Bell dealer. It'd be one thing if it was in fact an Anonymous person or a brand new member that posted it, but I see no reason why this specific member would post it if the memo in fact didn't exist. | |
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2008-Sep-25 4:37 pm
Re: Good question asked at blog post that started this storysaid by corster:The first mention of this I found was on Hofo, and it was posted by a very reputable member who works at a Bell dealer. It'd be one thing if it was in fact an Anonymous person or a brand new member that posted it, but I see no reason why this specific member would post it if the memo in fact didn't exist. Any link to that? Otherwise it is still unsubstantiated rumor. | |
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2008-Sep-25 5:00 pm
Re: Good question asked at blog post that started this storyAnd why should we believe Sammy740 on that forum. There is still no text of the supposed internal memo. And another poster here in the BBR thread denies this is true: » Re: [ Mobile] Bell will be 'throttling' free Blackberry GPS AppsI've been doing some digging and checked with some colleagues within Mobility and no one seems to know anything about this. | |
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2008-Sep-25 5:19 pm
Re: Good question asked at blog post that started this storysaid by FFH5:And why should we believe Sammy740 on that forum. There is still no text of the supposed internal memo. And why should you not? Just because there isn't text doesn't mean it isn't true either. People should make up their own minds based on the facts (or rumors) at hand. If it is going to happen, shame on Bell Canada. If some Bell Ca exec was dreaming up ways to screw the customer, now is the prefect time to raise a fuss. If it was never going to happen, then the only thing bad happening is that the support lines are being tied up. He doesn't deny it. He just says that no one he knows has heard of it. He also said that a previous change (DPI...whatever that is) that the scripts weren't released until the change was. Since the rumor here says in the coming weeks, scripts might not be released until the GPS changes are made too. | |
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TK, I know your gimmick is pro-corporation and to distrust everything that is said that is negative about any large company in North America, but are you serious? If we've learned one thing about Bell the last year or two it's that they are out to make money, consumers be damned.
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Is this legal?I am not very keen on law, but this strikes me as illegal, for all my common sense tells me. Is it even allowed to sabotage a service and hold them ransom by forcing a fee to get the device to work properly in the first place?
Hopefully someone can enlighten me! | |
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2008-Sep-25 4:50 pm
Re: Is this legal?Why would it be illegal? Bell sells you the BlackBerry. As long as their contract with Research in Motion allows them to do so, I can't see why altering the BlackBerry's software would be illegal, unless Canada has some strange laws relating to cell-phones that I don't know about. | |
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Of course its legal. Have you ever had a cell phone that wouldn't allow you to add your own MP3s as ringtones, because the operator wanted you to buy ringtones from their store? That's not illegal.
Have you ever had a phone that had bluetooth file transfers disabled so you couldn't share content. That's not illegal.
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Re: Is this legal?I would say no all these questions, I never had that. | |
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said by TigerLord:I am not very keen on law, but this strikes me as illegal, for all my common sense tells me. Is it even allowed to sabotage a service and hold them ransom by forcing a fee to get the device to work properly in the first place? Hopefully someone can enlighten me! Bell has been crippling their phones for years and will probably continue to do so until they move to a GSM based network. As for the legality, they provide the service and it is their network. | |
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2008-Sep-25 4:49 pm
HowSince the GPS signal is in the public domain how can they stop you from getting it leaglly? They don't have tp sell device that receive the signal and I can see charging a little extra for the added receiver but diabling a signal that does not belong to them and then calling it a service and charging for it? | |
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Re: Howsaid by Ken1 :
Since the GPS signal is in the public domain how can they stop you from getting it leaglly? They don't have tp sell device that receive the signal and I can see charging a little extra for the added receiver but diabling a signal that does not belong to them and then calling it a service and charging for it? From what's been posted so far, it appears as though they'll delay the speed of the GPS signal acquisition, not stop it from working. | |
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2008-Sep-25 6:17 pm
Re: HowSort of like how Bell delays Internet traffic by throttling it down to a crawl. I have to hand it to Bell, they've perfected the art of providing a terrible service. | |
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dvd536as Mr. Pink as they come Premium Member join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ |
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2008-Sep-25 9:09 pm
no differentthan verizon disabling bluetooth soon as a new handset that has this capability connects to its network. | |
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2008-Sep-25 9:52 pm
Re: no differentWell, yes, but Verizon Wireless doesn't do business in Canada, which is I guess why it's newsworthy that a Canadian carrier is doing this. | |
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2008-Sep-26 2:20 am
Enhanced 911?Is Enhanced 911 another "third party service" that will see a 2-10 minute delay of getting GPS data? That's the only reason why there's a GPS in the phone at all. | |
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2008-Sep-26 12:04 pm
Re: Enhanced 911?What are the relevant Canadian laws regarding E-911? I don't know if you could get away with such a delay for 911 in the US, at least. | |
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Mapping softwareMy Nokia N95 comes with free maps and GPS built in.
Pay for a phone and don't buy a crippled Bell phone. | |
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Re: Mapping softwareYabbut Bell won't let you activate a phone on their network unless it came from them. | |
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