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join:2009-06-17 | Youse wants insurance?
Da boyz will be happy to offer youse insurance. We'll be by every Wednesday to collect. | |
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Youse wants insurance? Sounds like some of 'da boyz' in the Golden Horseshoe area.
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join:2001-06-10
Centereach, NY
1 edit | "Metered Billing" by any other name How come no one has recognized that this is actually metered billing? They're trying to move their customer base to it by threatening them with ridiculously high overage rates.
They're only one step behind cell phone industry billing practices. (They've added the "insurance" buffer before rates go crazy.) | |
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join:2005-06-16
Markham, ON
| Re: "Metered Billing" by any other name This actually isn't that bad(at least from my billing standpoint).
With the new pricing for max 12 and max 16, never mind the insurance plan price drop. One could either save themselves some money staying at the same speeds, or actually get a faster connection and a decent amount of monthly bandwidth usage.
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join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON
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·Bell Sympatico
| Re: "Metered Billing" by any other name said by nuno  :This actually isn't that bad(at least from my billing standpoint). With the new pricing for max 12 and max 16, never mind the insurance plan price drop. One could either save themselves some money staying at the same speeds, or actually get a faster connection and a decent amount of monthly bandwidth usage. Your mileage may vary though. do you or are you even aware of the DPI "technology" that is being used right now in Canada ... or what ?  | |
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1 edit | Re: "Metered Billing" by any other name said by DJMASACRE :do you or are you even aware of the DPI "technology" that is being used right now in Canada ... or what ?
Yes, I am fully aware of the DPI practices that bell employs.
They are not an issue for me (unless they start throttling everything under the sun).
Like I stated previously, from my billing standpoint I will actually gain additional speed and bandwidth, for the same or less then what I am currently paying.
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join:2001-03-05
H3B
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| Re: Youse wants insurance? said by en102 :Sounds like some of 'da boyz' in the Golden Horseshoe area. Except that Bell's HQ is in Montreal.
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join:2005-08-26
Etobicoke, ON
| said by MaynardKrebs :Da boyz will be happy to offer youse insurance. We'll be by every Wednesday to collect. If youse don't wantz insurance, bad things can happen to your connection. Youse getz my drift? | |
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join:2008-11-20
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Fair and Balanced
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join:2001-11-14
St John'S, NL
1 edit | Re: WTF!?!?!? Why doesn't the Canadian government step in and stop this shit.
This is a regression to the AOL days where you paid by the minute.
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| Re: WTF!?!?!? Well they are a Private ISP, so by capping ect they are not breaking the law. However, by throttling their resold lines and making sure no one can offer a better internet, there by keeping their mono, they are breaking the law by discouraging(if not eliminating) competition. | |
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1 edit | Re: WTF!?!?!? For now the speed part is true, wimax can do 6/1 but that ain't as much as it used to be(still better than DSL in some places), it can also be used as wireless last mile. WISPs may be on the verge of a boom if the cap/meter keeps growing in the U.S.A, wireless may be slower but if it can get an un-caped 1m or 2m for $50-ish in places where tw/att have a mono or are the duo and are meter testing 1-2m for $50 with no cap don't look so bad compared to caped AND metered when tw's biggest cap is supposed to be like 100GB and att 150GB and $1 for each GB over. And over time if they get enough costumers they can up the speed(and maybe lower the price) and a new wimax that meets the 4g standard is under development so that mean it will be able to do higher speeds, so the future may hold a wireless internet.
And "When it was dialup it was easy to start your own ISP, but with broadband unless you have a lot of money most startups can only afford to do wireless setups which cannot compete with wired connection speeds."
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Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
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| Re: WTF!?!?!? Already ahead of you. That is some of the exact reasons why we have customers flocking to us. Even non-tech people know what a bandwidth cap is and how to compare numbers to what any bandwidth monitor they install on their computer will show.
Does the casual user even know what the difference between 1 mbp and 20 mbp does for web browsing, e-mail, youtube, etc.? No, not at all. They want it to be fast and if it's cheap, that brings them in large groups.
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join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
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2 edits | Re: WTF!?!?!? Yup even if a wireless connection is slower low cap+meter vs. no cap, no cap will win most of the time.
I am on a WISP(512/128[256 most of the time]) it may be slow but it has no cap, so I won't whine about it.
"Does the casual user even know what the difference between 1 mbp and 20 mbp"
I doubt they do, but we almost have the tech to supply the 20m wirelessly. According to some articles I have read in the morning/evning links section, LTE advanced(the second ver of LTE, and the only thing that, as of now, meets the 4g standard) is on par with docsis3. And wimax ver 2, when it comes out, is supposed to be on par with LTE and meet the 4g standard so wimax ver2 should be about on par with docsis3. | |
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| Re: WTF!?!?!? said by me1212 :I am on a WISP(512/128[256 most of the time]) it may be slow but it has no cap, so I won't whine about it. One thing to keep in mind: 256kbps = 75GB/month if you keep your connection maxed out 24/7.
I'd much prefer having 5M service with 100GB cap for $30/month than having "unlimited" 0.25Mbps service for $40/month. | |
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join:2007-02-18
Waterloo, ON
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| said by r81984 :Private ISP that is a monopoly or duopoly. Reselling an ISP is not competition. The regulated access system is actually a wholesale system, not resale. The way it was originally designed TekSavvy buys from Bell a connection to the end user at a specified speed, no throttling and unlimited traffic. TekSavvy has to have their own networking equipment interconnected with the Bell network to receive traffic from their users. Using their own equipment and their own transit providers they would provide a different internet service that shared only the last-mile customer connections. The pricing for this service is regulated to a 15% profit margin.
Recently this has changed as Bell has kept the maximum wholesale speed far slower than their retail speeds. They've also begun throttling wholesale connections and plan to introduce caps.
The system as originally intended can create competition between wholesalers and the ISP. It's been quite successful in Europe. The problem is that the CRTC is letting Bell get away with crap like throttling and capping.
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join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | Re: WTF!?!?!? Bell provides the conection to the BAS where it is handed over to the wholesaler.who then supples the conection to the net.Because the DPI is installed at the BAS level they can control what they want unfortunatly unless the crtc intervenes. | |
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Fair and Balanced
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St John'S, NL | Re: WTF!?!?!? If the third parties are leasing the connection to the end user and Bell limits that end user connection, then I would think Bell is breaking the contract.
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SW Ontario | Re: WTF!?!?!? That would be one of the many things we are fighting with them about.The crtc process is slow.No that is incorrect.VERY slow is better.The FCC any better? | |
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join:2003-07-20
Greer, SC | Re: WTF!?!?!? FCC isn't even involved in our mess. Lets say the politician who is paid the most gets the most done | |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
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| said by me1212 :Well they are a Private ISP, so by capping ect they are not breaking the law. However, by throttling their resold lines and making sure no one can offer a better internet, there by keeping their mono, they are breaking the law by discouraging(if not eliminating) competition. They lowered to a point where people will hit this limit. This is a back door charge to get you to pay up for "Unsurance".
Should be illegal.
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'Cause they haven't got the BALLS!!! | |
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join:2003-12-20
Ottawa, ON
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| said by r81984 :Why doesn't the Canadian government step in and stop this shit. We have a CONSERVATIVE government right now... enough said. | |
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Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
·Bright House
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| Re: WTF!?!?!? In other words: The people dictate the services. If they don't like it, they'll find a replacement. Unfortunately, finding a replacement doesn't happen because of the following:
Many of the people who allow regulations to be mandated are liberal party liners, or long time members of the telecommunication industry.
Get your head out of your ass, and start thinking critically. | |
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Verizon Fios User
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Flower Mound, TX | Re: WTF!?!?!? yes because conservatives are rolling out telco's to crush the monopolies!..
Get a grip. Even your government is owned by corporations.
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Balking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
·Bright House
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| Re: WTF!?!?!? said by NOCMan :yes because conservatives are rolling out telco's to crush the monopolies!.. Get a grip. Even your government is owned by corporations. You do know that government doesn't create business right?
Dig your head out of your backside, and realize how government works. Canadian politics isn't near as corrupt as American. | |
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join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON | Re: WTF!?!?!? No you dig your head out - our government is just here to do what the American government tells them to. | |
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Balking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
·Bright House
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| Re: WTF!?!?!? said by Roop :No you dig your head out - our government is just here to do what the American government tells them to. And you actually believe that? Do you think that there's probes stuck to the back of a persons head, that tell them how to vote as well, and the CPC is further to the right then the Democrats in the US?
Another uniformed voter in the ranks that doesn't understand politics. And by the way, there's that whole 30:1 ratio. | |
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join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA | ô_0 --- This was my face when reading this news. I think they've gone a little crazy on this plan. | |
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ninjatutle
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join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | Welcome to Canaduh! Now bend over! | |
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Hi
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY | The Moose Telco Mafia Where, you have no choice but to get that insurance. Capiche!
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join:2005-01-20
London, ON | Re: The Moose Telco Mafia LOL! Don't LOOK now! All we need is a merger of Bell and Rogers to complete the circle of no choice. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Banking/dog in a manger, someone must have been paying attention in Business Strategy 101 during their MBA. | |
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@optonline.net | Why don't Canadians... just do like they did with healthcare and make it a government entitlement?
Give everyone in Canada a standard broadband connection, and avoid all of this gouging by private companies? | |
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join:2009-05-19
151 Front St
| muahhahahahha - Grilled Bell Time AND I QUOTE FROM THE 6TH DAY OF THE CRTC HEARINGS. (bell was suppose to be up today, they are adding a extra day for bell tomorrow)
From the head of the CRTC:
¨because we are short on time right now and to give enough time we will reconvene for Tuesday , to give Bell the interrogation they deserve *laughter*, after all they started this whole thing ¨ | |
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join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
clubs: | Re: muahhahahahha - Grilled Bell Time Hopefully this will give the CRTC some ammo they will actually use to shoot Bell in the foot... | |
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Premium
join:2009-06-17
| Re: muahhahahahha - Grilled Bell Time said by ropeguru :Hopefully this will give the CRTC some ammo they will actually use to shoot Bell in the foot... In the foot???
Nah. Double-tap behind the ear. | |
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join:2008-03-28 | Hmmm... "insurance" ... I-N-S-U-R-A-N-C-E
or
"extortion" ... E-X-T-O-R-T-I-O-N
They just look so much alike to me. You decide. | |
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pnjunction
Teksavvy Premium
Premium
join:2008-01-24
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Preparing for the future Bell is just preparing for the future. Since demand for internet bandwidth is always declining, it would just be silly to increase caps instead of shrink them.
If their caps grew too large they would be eaten alive in the highly competitive broadband market we enjoy here in Canada. | |
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join:2005-01-20
London, ON
·Bell Sympatico
| Re: Preparing for the future said by pnjunction :Bell is just preparing for the future. Since demand for internet bandwidth is always declining, it would just be silly to increase caps instead of shrink them. If their caps grew too large they would be eaten alive in the highly competitive broadband market we enjoy here in Canada. LOL I love the sarcasm, you should have ended with "The future is dial-up" | |
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join:2008-04-28
Picton, ON
1 edit | Re: Preparing for the future Using State of the Art Bell technology:
100% Canadian craftsmanship and BC fir content. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Preparing for the future said by jerseyjoe123 :100% Canadian craftsmanship and BC fir content. Is that rented or owned?  | |
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JoeBlow50
@exxonmobil.com |  Bell Canada = Losers
You can always switch back if you like, after they realize they can't push you around any more and stop these rediculous caps. | |
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join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL | Re: Bell Canada = Losers Have you ever looked at the wireless market in Canada? Competition in the States is downright fierce compared to our neighbors up north. Bell, Telus, and Rogers...all ridiculously expensive. | |
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join:2002-01-27
Kansas City, MO | Re: Bell Canada = Losers the us wireless market is basically 3 companies in collusion... hardly fierce.... | |
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Premium
join:2003-10-13
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| Re: Bell Canada = Losers I live within spitting distance of the Canadian border (on the U.S. side obviously). Canada is always a great pick me up. When I'm feeling cheated/overcharged be it in taxes, cell phone bills, internet, etc., I simply get in my car and drive across the border and start talking to a Canadian about what they pay and it picks me up. | |
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trent25
join:2005-11-28
Philadelphia, PA
| What's the base price? At 40GB for $5 increments it's not too terrible bad, compared to some overage charges that have been suggested in the past. Although the 120GB limit is kinda low for this day and age.
That's of course assuming that the base price for the connection + initial 25GB/2GB is reasonable! | |
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join:2009-03-23
Columbus, GA | Re: What's the base price? which bright (un-bright person at bell canada is making this stupid changes.) | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: What's the base price? said by zpm :which bright (un-bright person at bell canada is making this stupid changes.) Its like the gas company. $30 a month just for the pipe, then pay per usage, best of both worlds. | |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| The whole picture... Just checked bell.ca...yep, changes are there.
But what's worth noting and isn't in the article is that it's also cheaper now: $29.95/month (with a bundle).
The max you'll pay for "bandwidth insurance" is $15.
There's the pesky modem fee of $3.95 as well.
So, for $49/month you now get 145 GB of bandwidth and 1 Mbps less (although I'm sure for those who can handle it, their profile will be set to 7 Mbps or higher in order to achieve a true IP throughput of 6 Mbps).
Whereas before it was more expensive for less speed and bandwidth.
Karl Bode should update the article to provide the entire story, not just one aspect of it.
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confq
join:2008-04-26
Toronto, ON
| surprised? what a pos of a company.
"Hmm.. how can we scam more money from customers"
" hmm I know, lower the cap to something ridiculous in this HD streaming era and then sell them insurance for an extra 5 dollars per 40 GB". that way we get extra 20% minimium per customer demand!
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
Premium
join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
clubs: | Canada So see CORPORATE GREED has found yet another home north of the border.
Good luck all my Canadian friends, good luck. | |
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Premium
join:2003-10-08
canada | Re: Canada think now.. bell is owned by the teachers pension group mostly made up of idiots from the USA... now you see why we are seeing this crap i mean cap.. lol | |
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SLD
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1 edit | All they are doing is... They're making themselves the laughing-stock of the modern world. Almost like Canadians have to make up for mocking the US for so long. | |
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Quake110
join:2003-12-20
Ottawa, ON | Re: All they are doing is... I hope the conservative government will be DEFEATED and have a MAJORITY LIBERAL government. Because it's becoming ridiculous. Instead of moving forward, we're moving back. | |
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join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH | Re: All they are doing is... When do you guys have reelection? | |
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@minor-baseball.org | Re: All they are doing is... The next time a no confidence is reached. It could be as early as September. | |
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join:2007-10-26 | Sad state of affairs Internet in Canada really is very discouraging | |
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Simba7
join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT | WTF!?!? All I can say is "What the fsck!!"
I am glad I don't live in Canada. Do they even have an Anti-Monopoly law?
Wait.. Is it illegal to do a wireless trunk from the states to Canada? If not, would it be easy to do? | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: WTF!?!? said by Simba7 :I am glad I don't live in Canada. Do they even have an Anti-Monopoly law? No.
There has never been any telecom sector specific legislation effort such as Telecom act of 1996 or 1984 Divesture in Canada. Their generic antitrust regulator seems to be useless »news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=can···N&tab=wn and just rubber stamps everything. | |
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Wandering
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| There need to be a serious backlash.... against this corporate greed. If people by the masses unite and start dropping these services out of protest, these companies will change their tunes.
It is sickening to watch how these companies are taking our money and giving us less and less.
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: There need to be a serious backlash.... said by fatmanskinny :against this corporate greed. If people by the masses unite and start dropping these services out of protest, these companies will change their tunes. It is sickening to watch how these companies are taking our money and giving us less and less. Won't happen. Its an addiction. Try not buying gasoline, or food, or water, or electricity. The streets will turn into lawless anarchy and tribalism to fight for limited unavailable resources (kill my neighbor so he won't try to compete with me for resources). | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Fun with math Ok I am going to assume that the "insurance" at minimum covers the actual cost of the bandwidth.
Ok so 40 GB for $5. that right there tells you it doesn't cost them more than 12.5 cents per GB.
Ok so 12.5 GB actual cost, $2-$2.50 for overage? Price gouging anyone?
25 GB = $3.13 in cost. How much do they charge for the "performance" tier? | |
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join:2002-04-02
Ontario
·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| CRTC needs to stop this Bell obviously does not care about the customers. Reducing services does not benefit the customer in any way. As it has been stated in the above comments, Teksavvy and other 3rd party DSL providers are 10x better than Bell. If you need to refer someone, point them towards a 3rd party provider. | |
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join:2003-03-30
Cincinnati, OH
| Re: CRTC needs to stop this you guys know that in the usa bandwith only for 20$ tops for 1 mbit average or 330gb monthly. i dout it's that much more in canada 15-25 amonth for 330gb usage thats what dedicated server providers charge so i don't see how it could cost isp much more than that. like if u paid 40 usd amonth for internet they should atleast allow u to use 200 gb or something!
i think isp r greatly overcharging in canada couse know they can legally get away with this stuff cause not enought people fight them!
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