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Bell Canada Picks Horrible Time To Launch Mediocre Video Store
Under fire for throttling P2P (and legit P2P video delivery) Bell launches store
by Karl Bode 04:19PM Thursday May 22 2008
So for conversation's sake, say you're a telephone monopoly currently under fire from all sides by regulators, consumer advocates and competitors for your effort to throttle competing ISP P2P traffic. Does that strike you as the best time (from a marketing perspective) to launch a video delivery store that competes with some of the same services (like Vuze) you just got done throttling? Bell Canada apparently thinks so.

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I mentioned the launch in passing last week, and discussion of the store has been ongoing in our forums, but Bell Canada today officially took the wraps off of their new video store. Interested in yet another expensive, Windows only, DRM-encrusted half-assed attempt at making a buck?

The store has a limited selection of 1,500 movies and TV titles, playable only by Windows users, and protected by Windows Media DRM (mmm, excited yet?). Rentals range from $2-$5, and movie purchases cost up to $20 (usually $5 more than Amazon). Interested in playing the media on a mobile device? You have to own a mobile player by Archos, according to the website. Sounds enticing, Mr. monopoly.

Technically, users tell me the store itself was in beta long before the throttling kerfuffle arrived. Still, Bell Canada picked a very odd time to begin promoting the store. Perhaps they were counting on the Streisand effect to give the store more attention than it actually deserves? Either way, Bell Canada can expect a digital beat down from the growing number of people annoyed with their anti-competitive behavior.

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en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Not surprising though... this is more like a wireless co.

Bell is throttling so that they have more bandwidth available for their video service...and so that competing video service may be out of luck. Bell's DSL landline sounds more like a wireless company's stand. You can consume all you want, as long as we have an ownership/profit arrangement in that company.
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gdogg

join:2006-02-06
39123

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Figures

I will not stop my quest for getting as many people as possible off of rogers, cogeco and bell and switched to dsl resellers, well atleast until bell is turned into
New name Phone company
New name satillite company
New name dsl company
New name online video rental serive

No bundling allowed, no connection between the 3 old parts.
No connection to the online video rental service.

Yup, bell you really suck. Crooks, give me my p2p back.

travisc

join:2001-11-09
Uxbridge, ON

Re: Figures

So you go after Cogeco, and get someone onto a DSL reseller... Which actually puts money back into Bell's pocket. Good plan?

gdogg

join:2006-02-06
39123

1 edit

Re: Figures

Better then supporting those who installed the traffic shaping hardware, ya i would, to me Cogeco is no better then rogers, just a diff neighborhood

tertech

join:2008-04-12
Ottawa, ON

1 recommendation

Bell Logo

After reading that article, I've finally figured out what Bell's logo represents.... My head is spinning.
ParellelSpid

join:2008-05-22
London, ON

Re: Bell Logo

I think they might be changing their logo to a swastika to represent their new business model.
ParellelSpid

join:2008-05-22
London, ON

Re: Bell Logo

oops double post

ParellelSpider

@nexusds.com
I think they are changing the logo to a swastika to represent their new business model.

andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
kudos:1

1 recommendation

Jack Kapica article

Jack Kapica from the globe has a nice article on this also.

»www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/···cyberia/

Matt3
All noise, no signal.
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12

Love it!

said by Karl :
Interested in yet another expensive, Windows only, DRM-encrusted half-assed attempt at making a buck?
Why yes thanks, I'll take two!

ShadPTR

join:2008-01-23
Markham, ON

G-ddamn Greedy Lieing bast-rds

I hope the CRTC does not let them get away with this. Congestion my ass.

FFH
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

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Providing a new service - hang the SOBs

Hey they are bringing out a new service. So let's get out the tar & feathers and run them out of town on a rail. {/sarcasm}

Bell Video Store Q&A
»www.bellvideostore.ca/Help.htm
Funny, I missed the part that FORCED people to use the store. My bad!

tertech

join:2008-04-12
Ottawa, ON

Re: Providing a new service - hang the SOBs

said by FFH:

Hey they are bringing out a new service. So let's get out the tar & feathers and run them out of town on a rail. {/sarcasm}

Bell Video Store Q&A
»www.bellvideostore.ca/Help.htm
Funny, I missed the part that FORCED people to use the store. My bad!
So if Canada decided to renege on NAFTA and told the U.S. it could not supply the 1.8m bbl/day of oil because of Canadian needs, and then turned around and announced a deal with China to supply 2m bbl/day, you would be OK with that?

FFH
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Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

Re: Providing a new service - hang the SOBs

said by tertech:

So if Canada decided to renege on NAFTA and told the U.S. it could not supply the 1.8m bbl/day of oil because of Canadian needs, and then turned around and announced a deal with China to supply 2m bbl/day, you would be OK with that?
»www.thefreedictionary.com/non%20sequitur
non sequitur
A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.
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fatness
subtle
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fishing
kudos:14

Re: Providing a new service - hang the SOBs

said by FFH:

said by tertech:

So if Canada decided to renege on NAFTA and told the U.S. it could not supply the 1.8m bbl/day of oil because of Canadian needs, and then turned around and announced a deal with China to supply 2m bbl/day, you would be OK with that?
»www.thefreedictionary.com/non%20sequitur
non sequitur
A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.
If you've followed the history of this, it is not a non sequitur at all. It is a decent analogy.
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DataRiker
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Re: Providing a new service - hang the SOBs

said by fatness:

said by FFH:

said by tertech:

So if Canada decided to renege on NAFTA and told the U.S. it could not supply the 1.8m bbl/day of oil because of Canadian needs, and then turned around and announced a deal with China to supply 2m bbl/day, you would be OK with that?
»www.thefreedictionary.com/non%20sequitur
non sequitur
A statement that does not follow logically from what preceded it.
If you've followed the history of this, it is not a non sequitur at all. It is a decent analogy.
My thoughts exactly, ony you beat me too it. LOL @ TK
pablo
MVM
join:2003-06-23
kudos:1
You're missing the history on Bell wrt throttling. Please read the links in the article above.

I mean this in a kind way: your ignorance is showing.
Expand your moderator at work

Niarlan
Excelsior
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join:2002-11-09
Manville, NJ

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I think it's more along these lines....

Bell Marketing: We are going to be launching our new Video store soon.

Bell Management: But there are other stores out there, how will we be able to compete with them?

Bell Marketing: Simple, we have our network engineers degrade the service on all others, we own the pipes after all, that way everyone will be forced to go to our product if they want good performance.

Bell Management: But what about the ISP's we lease to?

Bell Legal: Oh don't worry....we had a poison pill buried in all of our contracts in case.

Bell Management: Shiney

Guspaz
Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23

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said by FFH:

Hey they are bringing out a new service. So let's get out the tar & feathers and run them out of town on a rail. {/sarcasm}

Bell Video Store Q&A
»www.bellvideostore.ca/Help.htm
Funny, I missed the part that FORCED people to use the store. My bad!
They're not forcing you to use their video store, they're forcing you to NOT use anybody ELSE's video store.

Bell complains they have congestion in their network, so they throttle P2P and some other streaming media formats. This prevents competitors from delivering users to Sympatico customers. Bell also throttles the connections of wholesalers that buy aggregation services from Bell, so in effect, all DSL subscribers in Ontario/Quebec can use Bell's services, or nobody else.

That's a tad anti-competitive, doncha think? Walmart doesn't MAKE you shop there, they just drive everybody else out of business so that you don't have a choice. Same thing here, except worse; it's like Walmart is boarding up the doors on other peoples' stores to stop them from accepting customers.

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK

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said by FFH:

Funny, I missed the part that FORCED people to use the store. My bad!
I think you missed more then that... you missed the point entirely.

Let's see: Bell Canada rolls out throttling on THIRD PARTY ISP'S that among other things throttles sites like Vuze.

Meanwhile they launch their own, un-throttled Video store.

I guess you can't see any problem with that? Sure, they aren't forcing you to use their store. They're just throttling you and others from using OTHER services.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1

Re: Providing a new service - hang the SOBs

said by KrK:

said by FFH:

Funny, I missed the part that FORCED people to use the store. My bad!
I think you missed more then that... you missed the point entirely.

Let's see: Bell Canada rolls out throttling on THIRD PARTY ISP'S that among other things throttles sites like Vuze.

Meanwhile they launch their own, un-throttled Video store.

I guess you can't see any problem with that? Sure, they aren't forcing you to use their store. They're just throttling you and others from using OTHER services.
Download your videos over HTTP, Rapidshare for example, and it won't be throttled, end of story.
pablo
MVM
join:2003-06-23
kudos:1

Too bad the deadpool response was yanked ....

... it seems `someone' posted about the Bell mole named `deadpool' ... that post was yanked from this thread.

Too bad.

I'm glad I read it before it was snuffed.
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adisor19

join:2004-10-11
Reviews:
·Acanac

Re: Too bad the deadpool response was yanked ....

said by pablo:

... it seems `someone' posted about the Bell mole named `deadpool' ... that post was yanked from this thread.

Too bad.

I'm glad I read it before it was snuffed.
I'm curious. What was the gist of it ?

Adi
pablo
MVM
join:2003-06-23
kudos:1

Re: Too bad the deadpool response was yanked ....

In order to ensure this post doesn't get nuke'd, I think I can distill it down to:

o `Deadpool' is a dslreports member and a Bell employee.
o `Rocky' is a dslreports member and is the owner of TekSavvy - one of many ISP's affected by Bell's throttling

Below is a transcript where `deadpool' crosses the line - you may wish to walk to the top of the thread:

»Re: Privacy Question
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pablo
openSUSE 10.3 & 11.0;KDE
ISP: TekSavvy DSL; backhauled via a 6KM wireless link

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Don't they have a cap?

Yes they do 60 GB. So are the movies downloaded from their store counted against the cap? If yes, don't expect many customers. Who is going to risk an overage free just to download a movie? If not then they'll have huge anti-trust issues. Download a movie from them and it doesn't count against cap, but download the same movie form Amazon and it does? can you say LAWSUIT?

Maynard G Krebs

@teksavvy.com

Re: Don't they have a cap?

said by 88615298:

Download a movie from them and it doesn't count against cap, but download the same movie form Amazon and it does? can you say LAWSUIT?
Too bad we can't sue Bell in lawsuit-friendly Texas or Mississipi. The operative slogan after consumers winning against Bell in a venue like those would be "All your company are belong to us" - as paraphrased the text in manuals which often come with no-name peripherals from China.

Froggy

@dsl.bell.ca
It isn't even a real 60 gigabyte cap. It's actually 30 gigabytes download maximum plus 30 gigabytes upload maximum. It isn't something sane for the normal minded person like 60 gigabytes downloads plus uploads so the actual amount you can download is only 30 gigabytes a month without busting your caps and getting charged thousands of dollars in overuse fees.

LaZ3R
Premium
join:2003-01-17

Sadistic Humour at its finest :)

The store has a limited selection of 1,500 movies and TV titles, playable only by Windows users, and protected by Windows Media DRM (mmm, excited yet?). Rentals range from $2-$5, and movie purchases cost up to $20 (usually $5 more than Amazon). Interested in playing the media on a mobile device? You have to own a mobile player by Archos, according to the website. Sounds enticing, Mr. monopoly.

I burst out laughing from this paragraph

Excellent wording Karl.

Yes, Bell is not the most intelligent company... nothing new to me .
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ground

join:2008-01-16
Toronto, ON
Reviews:
·Rogers Hi-Speed

Windows only?

LOL @ "Windows only" - as it says on Bell's ugly site Steve Jobs uses his own DRM technology and does not release it for others to use. So what else did you expect? Should we all cry and beg him for his DRM? Or may be he wants 30% of the profit?

I love dslreports - it's a great place, but one thing that drives me totally insane here are mac followers that think they and their white computers are the centre of the universe.

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troll type me

@mc.videotron.ca

frig bell use zip.ca

shit i would rather pay 10$/month for zip.ca and have the dvd's delivered (72K titles) than pay bell for the filth they put everyone through.

Give me snailmail over Bell any day.
davidbrown

join:2005-05-31
Toronto, ON

Who the heck is running that place.

It seems like they got a bunch of idiots running bell.

Didn't dawn on them what this would do and if it did just who have they paid off so they don't have to worry about it?

Either the crtc is in bell pocket or these guys are seriously stipid.
qewey

join:2007-10-04

Re: Who the heck is running that place.

said by davidbrown:

It seems like they got a bunch of idiots running bell.
bingo ... I would call them corporate bureaucrats worrying more about their pensions than having an original idea or vision.

said by davidbrown:

Either the crtc is in bell pocket or these guys are seriously stipid.
They are all old buddies in the same industry. More than probably golf and ski together on the expense accounts.

bouchecl

join:2004-09-13
Quebec, QC

The service is ridiculously bad

The OP mentioned 1500 films and television show. He probably didn't bother to check the French side of the site. Not that he/she missed anything... I've made the count. There are 41 (yes, FORTY-ONE) movies available on the French side. And I haven't seen one local movie in the lot. I mean, it's like if they were trying very hard to fail in the Quebec market with their dismal lack of selection.

Considering that Bell knows very well the Quebec market (being the incumbent telco in that market and they have media holdings there), the growing controversy about throttling and that Quebeckers prefer to watch TV and movies in their language, one has to wonder what they were thinking when they launched this "service".

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Stumbles

join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse

There will be more wookies.

This is hardly surprising. It is what all ISPs have been trying to figure out to do for a long time, to make them selves an island ala AOL. Now that there has been some consolidation with ISP, one buying up another, etc, they think they now have enough of a monopoly, enough of a captive market it will be easy to ram down every ones throat.

chronoss2008
Premium
join:2008-03-29

So I Pay FOR BANDWIDTH .....

SO I PAY FOR BANDWIDTH to subsidize this little enterprise.
if i paid for 200GB cap with tek savvy and cannot reach that due to bells little enterprise that is direct harm to me.

That is an actionable enterprise that could and should get class action status and sued into the underworld of its utter stupidity.

If i am paying for 200GB a month and they sell then where is my piece of the action.

If YOU have a 5 megabit, unlimited use account with TSI or a CAIP member that is about a upper limit of 1 terabyte, if you cannot attain what you pay for due to the actions of a business venture then you can sue these people for stealing your money. It is fraud in the least.


ipickedaname

@teksavvy.com

Re: So I Pay FOR BANDWIDTH .....

The only people who should be throttled are those damn beavers. And perhaps Sabia, Crull, and Bibic.
ParellelSpid

join:2008-05-22
London, ON

File complaints

Everyone start filing BBB complaints against bell. If you can find some way to complain about them do it. The CRTC and the BBB might be our best bets though.