Bell Canada Redefines 'Satisfaction' and 'Fairness'

said by Romney2012:

.... and allowing ANYONE(including their competitors) to send unthrottled data would adversely affect all users on the local infrastructure. IF THEY HAVE to throttle, they are doing it in the right spot where it affects all providers equally.

said by KrK:

This was done purely as an anti-competitive move, not a "manage the network" move. Bell Sympatico chose to implement throttling on their customers some time ago. As a direct result, customers began leaving in droves for third party ISP's like TekSavvy. There has been much concern at Bell Sympatico about the losses of direct subscribers (they still make a healthy profit off the 3rd party ISP's customers, but naturally they make a much bigger piece when the customer is directly a Bell Sympatico user.)

Thus this new policy is born. Throttle everyone at the local level, therefore the third party ISP's cannot compete on the grounds they have an unthrottled network, since Bell Sympatico is doing it to them by force. Result they can stem their own customer losses because now there's little reason to switch.... Except for purely moral grounds.

said by Romney2012:

.... and allowing ANYONE(including their competitors) to send unthrottled data would adversely affect all users on the local infrastructure. IF THEY HAVE to throttle, they are doing it in the right spot where it affects all providers equally.

said by funchords:

No, this is DSL. There is no bottleneck anywhere. No customers are affected by the behaviors of the others.

said by Jodokast96:

Not true at all. All of those customers eventually come together in the CO, and if it doesn't have enough bandwidth to handle all of them, there will be slowdowns. Just take a look at the Verizon DSL forum here, it's loaded with threads about just that, especially in NYC.

said by jsmaster:

So you're saying that DSL is a sharing line like cable? If so, you're on a wrong path because customers with DSL services have a dedicated line. If your DSL providers sets you for example for a profile of 5056/800, you'll have for all time a steady connection. Your line profile will be in most of the case a little less ( speedtest 5056/800 is about in reality 46xx/6xx ) This is normal because profiles are calculated on an optimal state and it's impossible to have a clean line. Perfection does not exist sadly.

said by Nintendo:

Its funny Teksavvy has never had a problem passing as much bandwidth as they need through their equipment, but the big Bell can't.

said by Done_Posting:

I don't think TekSavvy has any of their own copper plant anywhere. If I'm correct, then your theory is flawed. It's far easier to add another Gig-E / DS3 / whatever link on the backend (in this case TekSavvy's part of the system) than it is to add additional plant capacity (in this case Bell's copper loops to the individual subscribers).

- Tate

said by adisor19:

You're misunderstanding the issue. The copper loops are already in place. What bell is claiming to be the problem, is their internal ATM network, which is complete BS. This has nothing to do with capacity and everything to do with POWER and control. They want to limit and stop the migration of their own sympatico customers towards third party DSL providers.

Adi

said by Done_Posting:

Funny, this kind of dispels the age old belief some people have that DSL subscribers are immune from throttling, doesn't it?

said by qworster:

In some ways its like your electrical power being browned out each evening. You're paying for 120 volts, but on their own (and without telling anyone) the electric company has reduced your voltage to 105 volts-hoping that you won't notice that your lights aren't quite as bright as before.