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Bell Canada's Profit Doubles
Without the need for usage-based billing
Last year Canadian incumbent Bell Canada throttled the bandwidth of wholesale competitors, so they couldn't offer unthrottled services that were better than Bell's own, throttled DSL service. The company then started pushing for usage-based billing (UBB) for wholesalers, meaning competitors would now be paying for bandwidth on both ends (smaller Canadian ISPs lament this as double dipping and a tactic designed to drive them out of business). Bell Canada has justified the moves by saying they're financially necessary in order to fund network expansion. However, BCE's earnings this week indicate the company's profit more than doubled. Why was usage-based billing necessary again? Surely someday, somebody is going to notice that the North American ISPs who claim expensive new metering models are financially necessary are never able to prove it.
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axiomatic
join:2006-08-23
Tomball, TX

axiomatic

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Lessons learned from the south?

Looks like Bell Canada is running the "American Telco Playbook of GREED" to the letter here. Well done Bell Canada, you just achieved universal hatred, good luck with that. Funny thing about the "court of public opinion"... there's no courtroom to plead your case.

ReformCRTC
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join:2004-03-07
Canada

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Re: Lessons learned from the south?

Fuck Bhell. Alexander Graham, of the namesake of Brantford, Ont. MUST be shifting in his grave.

nothing00
join:2001-06-10
Centereach, NY

nothing00

Member

The obvious next step...

... to increase profitability further is of course to go a tiered cell-phone "buy more than you need" (alleged metered billing) model. If they can put this into place next quarter, all the better for them. Time is of the essence.

Please, stop whining about North America's high price of broadband and think of the shareholders!

Well, what they're doing is terrible. But at least there's a little competition in the market that holds things like this back a bit.

If these companies really want pay-per-use billing I'm all ready for it. Sign me up for $7 monthly cable bill that covers the four hours of cable I watch a week please.

n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY

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n2jtx

Member

Yes!

Nice profit but just think about how much MORE PROFIT they are making with metered billing. It should be enough to make their executives giddy with excitement!

DataRiker
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join:2002-05-19
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DataRiker

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Bell Canada = bad news

I've been following this bell canada / TekSavvy drama for a while. My sincere hope is that customers see bell canada for what it is, and decide to take their money else where. Hard to do for most unfortunately.

ReformCRTC
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Re: Bell Canada = bad news

They're trying to! They're switching to Teksavvy! And then they're getting shafted by anti-trust practices!
Bell_Abused
join:2006-10-07

Bell_Abused to DataRiker

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to DataRiker
said by DataRiker:

I've been following this bell canada / TekSavvy drama for a while.
If you have been following it, then I hope your eyes have opened enough to realize that Teksavvy is nothing more than a Bell retention offer, or like a cheap offer to stay with Bell. Thats reall what all these Bell-wholesalers are. So don't fall for the smoke-n-mirrors.

Every person who leaves Bell and goes to teksavvy is counted by Bell as a new sale by Bell in their financials. Bell loses no money. Each person the jumps ship still pays Bell between 21 and 31$/month as a minimum.

Bell is happier than a pig in mud if you leave them and go to their retention plan called teksavvy.

Follow the money.

El Quintron
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join:2008-04-28
Tronna

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El Quintron

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Re: Bell Canada = bad news

Hmmm that smells a lot like a post you made here:

»Re: Noticeable Speed Diference from Bell?

Exactly what motivated you to crawl out from under the bridge tonight?

Not enough ass kissing from the guys at TSI?
grunze510
join:2009-02-14
Cote Saint-Luc, QC

grunze510

Member

Re: Bell Canada = bad news

He's right to a point, but think about it this way. While Bell gets ~$20 per TekSavvy user, TekSavvy themselves get $10. If you switch to one of the incumbents as an ISP, then TekSavvy gets nothing from you. Also, you might need to sell your home and move into the Atwater metro station.

El Quintron
Cancel Culture Ambassador
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join:2008-04-28
Tronna

El Quintron

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Re: Bell Canada = bad news

Of course he's right, its the fact that he posted the response here, and in the TSI forum...

Which means he's a troll. So I'm not really denying his right to say what he's got to say, but Captain obvious up there is a troll and a Videotron Shill.
Bell_Abused
join:2006-10-07

Bell_Abused

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Re: Bell Canada = bad news

Seems your panties bunched up upon hearing the truth of what they are. A Bell retention company. A Bell-Virgin-mobile of the DSL world.

You not being able to handle the truth is a likely reflection of how deeply twisted they have you wrapped around their finger with unsubstantiated hype.

Let us know when your eyes have opened.

Let's all wait for their next big surprise of reselling another Bell service.

El Quintron
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Tronna

El Quintron

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Re: Bell Canada = bad news

The only thing I see is a lot of hate coming from you. Hate you didn't even have the balls to post with your real login on the TSI forum.

DataRiker
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to Bell_Abused
said by Bell_Abused:

said by DataRiker:

I've been following this bell canada / TekSavvy drama for a while.
If you have been following it, then I hope your eyes have opened enough to realize that Teksavvy is nothing more than a Bell retention offer, or like a cheap offer to stay with Bell. Thats reall what all these Bell-wholesalers are. So don't fall for the smoke-n-mirrors.

Every person who leaves Bell and goes to teksavvy is counted by Bell as a new sale by Bell in their financials. Bell loses no money. Each person the jumps ship still pays Bell between 21 and 31$/month as a minimum.

Bell is happier than a pig in mud if you leave them and go to their retention plan called teksavvy.

Follow the money.
We are well aware of this obviously, and its implied in the news article for those who are not aware.

JimmyArms
join:2008-01-09
Sault Ste Marie, ON

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to Bell_Abused
Bell loses no money. Each person the jumps ship still pays Bell between 21 and 31$/month as a minimum.

Bell is happier than a pig in mud if you leave them and go to their retention plan called teksavvy

I used to pay Bell $47/month and now they get $21 through Teksavvy. With all the phone calls and letters from Bell asking me to come back they aren't exactly coming across as "happier than a pig in mud".
33358088 (banned)
join:2008-09-23

33358088 (banned)

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profits ahoy

yes lets make it so expensive that no one can sit in chairs TOO!

»using a chair as example of copyright

Chronium
@teksavvy.com

Chronium

Anon

Apeals to CTRC decisions

I just received a interesting email pertaining to this topic
quote:
Thank you for your e-mail expressing your concerns regarding regulated
access to wholesale telecommunications services.

As you may be aware, three petitions to the Governor in Council have been
filed, appealing several decisions of the Canadian Radio-television and
Telecommunications Commission (CRTC). Each decision concerns the extent
that the large former monopoly telephone companies (e.g., Bell Canada) are
required to provide competitors with wholesale services at regulated rates
and terms. MTS Allstream has appealed Telecom Decision CRTC 2008-117 and
Telecom Regulatory Policy 2009-34, and is seeking more stringent wholesale
rules. Bell and TELUS have each appealed Telecom Decision CRTC 2008-117
and Telecom Order CRTC 2009-111, and have requested that certain wholesale
obligations be removed.

The public record of these appeals is available under Gazette Notices and
Petitions on Industry Canadas Spectrum Management and Telecommunications
website at »ic.gc.ca/spectrum. You will find electronic copies of
the petitions, public comments made by interested parties, and links to
the CRTC decisions under appeal.

Under the Telecommunications Act, Cabinet can decide to take action in
response to a petition by varying (changing) the decision, referring it
back to the CRTC for reconsideration or rescinding the decision. Cabinet
can also decide not to intervene and let the CRTC decision remain in
place. The governments powers to intervene expire one year from the date
of the decision in question. Given that the matter is still under
consideration by Cabinet, it would not be appropriate for me to comment at
this time.

Once again, thank you for writing. I trust that this information is
helpful.

Yours sincerely,

Tony Clement
Parellel
join:2009-08-06
London, ON

Parellel

Member

Re: Apeals to CTRC decisions

I got the exact same thing. Hopefully something will come of it.

killom
@shawcable.net

killom

Anon

amazing....

what one can do when you own those that are supposed to regulate you...
33358088 (banned)
join:2008-09-23

33358088 (banned)

Member

now if harper wants to convince me

do something postive for your country
A) DO NOT ALLOW any non-commercial downloading to be made illegal
B) BCE has profits and lots of them why then is the need to have user based billing shoved at 3rd parties
C) Where is the speed parity ORDERED by the CRTC

remember what ABC means
confq
join:2008-04-26
Toronto, ON

confq

Member

errr

GREAT! Good for you Bell! you fuckin D-bags

Bill Neilson
Premium Member
join:2009-07-08
Alexandria, VA

Bill Neilson

Premium Member

Again, I have no problem with a company

trying to get as MUCH profit as possible. I do that in my business.

I just wish companies would be a bit more honest when wanting to raise prices. No, I am not saying they should ADMIT to wanting more profit when they raise prices for such but just don't like to the public as much as we hear they do with this metered crap and/or "future upgrades" excuse that rarely ends up happening within the next decade