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Bell Lowers Caps
Raises Maximum Monthly Penalty Limit
by Karl Bode 12:02PM Wednesday Jan 04 2012
Users in our Bell Canada forums note that the Canadian incumbent telco has lowered the monthly rate of several of their tiers, but they've countered that by lowering customer usage caps as well. A look at the Bell website reveals that the company lowered usage limits on all their tiers, in addition to raising the overage cap penalty limit (at $1 per gigabyte) an additional $20, to $80 per month in maxiumum usage penalties. Bell's Fibe 10 service went from a 75 GB cap to 60 GB, Fibe 12 went from 50 GB to 40 GB, Fibe 16 went from 75 GB to 65 GB and Fibe 25 went from 125 GB to 100 GB. Customers in our forums aren't pleased:
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I'm keeping a close eye to my allowed quota on their portal. If they drop my package from 75 GB to 60 GB, then they better have a really good offer for me, or this might finally convince this 10+ year customer here to move elsewhere. I had been staying with them recently mostly because of the inconvenience of switching. If my bill is going to increase by another 10-20$/month due to that change, I'm gone.
Bell's "Fibe" service is named to make you think it's actually fiber, but the limitations on the DSL service are abundantly clear.

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DataRiker
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I feel your pain Bell Users.

I used to be able to pass 300+ gigs of data over ATT* DSL almost a decade ago. (*formerly Bell South )

Now, with DSL being a mature tech with cheaper equipment and back haul being way cheaper, ATT now places a 150 GB cap.

The foul odor emanating from these soiled toilets is almost too much to handle.

MSauk
MSauk
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Re: I feel your pain Bell Users.

Yikes, that is some damn low caps!

Hell I don't even download illegal shit and I am at 100GB a month. That is fro streaming, and regular usage.

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ptrowski
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Re: I feel your pain Bell Users.

said by MSauk:

Yikes, that is some damn low caps!

Hell I don't even download illegal shit and I am at 100GB a month. That is fro streaming, and regular usage.

Crazy

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MSauk
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Re: I feel your pain Bell Users.

said by ptrowski:

said by MSauk:

Yikes, that is some damn low caps!

Hell I don't even download illegal shit and I am at 100GB a month. That is fro streaming, and regular usage.

Crazy

You have an Afro fetish?

lol why yes i do
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PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
said by MSauk:

Hell I don't even download illegal shit and I am at 100GB a month.

100? I could easy do multiples of that without ever even touching a torrent. Caps are highly unrealistic - and so is the claim that "the average user" blablabla..
flycuban

join:2005-04-25
Homestead, FL
And it's just the start...within a couple of years they will lower it again, and soon after will move to a per-byte model...
leo81486

join:2010-10-21
Brooklyn, NY

how nice~~~

i still don get why NA. laugh at those Asians back in the days.
now what?
they all got great n cheap comsumer products, but we got thise shitty slow n cap internets.
so proud of our goverments

88615298
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West Tenness

why are companies going backwards?

Is this 1995 and AOL?

I think this pretty much disproves the cap apologists theory that caps will increase over time.

Mike2009

join:2009-01-13
Ottawa, ON
kudos:3

Re: why are companies going backwards?

That's why I'm with Teksavvy. 12/1 DSL with 300 gig cap and unlimited usage (as of Feb. 2nd) between 2 and 8 a.m. Oh, and they lowered the cost by $6.00 a month. Bell sucks.

Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
said by 88615298:

Is this 1995 and AOL?

I think this pretty much disproves the cap apologists theory that caps will increase over time.

Same thing with taxes never say a tax is a good or useful thing, the political types will rape you just because they can.

KrK
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The caps increase over time is based on a fantasy that companies will be altruistic and provide a service the consumers and pay for.... at a fair price.

What, and leave all that extra gouging profit on the table? NO WAY!

You're be damn lucky if they don't just freeze the caps at today's levels forever, despite the growth in consumption, and if you have a really greedy ISP like Bell then they'll actually LOWER them.
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Re: why are companies going backwards?

said by KrK:

The caps increase over time is based on a fantasy that companies will be altruistic and provide a service the consumers and pay for.... at a fair price.

What, and leave all that extra gouging profit on the table? NO WAY!

You're be damn lucky if they don't just freeze the caps at today's levels forever, despite the growth in consumption, and if you have a really greedy ISP like Bell then they'll actually LOWER them.

They're not altruistic, and never will be. But they are motivated, by greed, to sell what the customer will buy. In this case, they're lowering prices. How much "fairer" can you get?

Wired caps are a short-term strategy, a response to the threat of Network Neutrality and Netflix.

They will prove too much of a headache for the ISP - who will first increase them, then replace them with reduced speed tiers, throttling, and "NN-compliant" protocol management.

Mom will not put up with paying overage charges for your "abuse", but she will gladly accept throttling, so long as it doesn't affect LifeTime.

KrK
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Re: why are companies going backwards?

LOL. Lowering prices.

They lowered prices on a few tiers on the front end while lowering the caps and increasing overage charges on the backend to make a lot more money. "Fair" you say.

And in an environment lacking proper competition, all they have to do is be motivated by greed. The customer will buy or will do without, so they are safe to make such moves.

And I guess you define abuse as not paying for PayTV. There's going to be a lot of pissed of Moms out there, methinks.... along with Grandmoms, fathers, and everyone else. Abuse, hardly. Service, yes.... or lack thereof.
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DataRiker
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Re: why are companies going backwards?

I LOL at all his posts.

Many people simply don't understand the difference between corporatism and capitalism.

Greed is good in a sense in capitalism , and absolutely devastating in corporatism.

Guess what we overwhelmingly have in North America?

88615298
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West Tenness
said by elray:

said by KrK:

The caps increase over time is based on a fantasy that companies will be altruistic and provide a service the consumers and pay for.... at a fair price.

What, and leave all that extra gouging profit on the table? NO WAY!

You're be damn lucky if they don't just freeze the caps at today's levels forever, despite the growth in consumption, and if you have a really greedy ISP like Bell then they'll actually LOWER them.

They're not altruistic, and never will be. But they are motivated, by greed, to sell what the customer will buy. In this case, they're lowering prices. How much "fairer" can you get?

lower prices?

Ok what was the price of the their when the cap was 75 GB? What is the price now with the 60 GB cap plus the $15 for the 15 GB you'd go over using the same 75 GB you'd normally would use?

Nothing fair about this. If their network is so bad that these are the best caps they can do perhaps they need to get out of the ISP business and sell to someone more competent.

AkFubar
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Greed...Greed...Greed....

Greed is the motivator for going backward with the caps. Bhell wouldn't do it if there wasn't $ in it. Why people allow themselves to be continually gouged by BHell is beyond my understanding. There are much better alternatives available out there.
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siouxmoux2

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Re: Greed...Greed...Greed....

Canada wants to Continue their lead to be Lowest Bandwidth Caps Leader.

TSI Gabe
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Next thing you know...

It's going to be a 100Mbps connection with a cap 0 GB

AkFubar
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Re: Next thing you know...

yeah... LMAO

Mike2009

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Ottawa, ON
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said by TSI Gabe:

It's going to be a 100Mbps connection with a cap 0 GB

Definitely!

Chucks Truck

@teksavvy.com
I don't doubt that.
yabos

join:2003-02-16
London, ON
Yep and it'll be $50/m plus $2/GB data usage
taraf

join:2011-05-07
Stittsville, ON
If I could get a 100Mbps service with a cap of 0, for a reasonable price (say $20/mo for the connection, and $0.10/GB for the usage --- a 1000% markup is reasonable on usage, don't you think?) I would actually pay that. That's how landline phone service in Europe works... pay a low monthly fee for the connection itself, to maintain the line, and then pay per minute for the usage. It actually would work out to be quite reasonable for most users, as long as they're not charging $2.50/GB like Bell does right now for overage....

TwiztedZero
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said by TSI Gabe:

It's going to be a 100Mbps connection with a cap 0 GB

And its going to COST, and I mean cost an arm, a leg, several fingers & toes, a side of beef, a flock of sheep, three or four heads of horse, a donkey, two quarters of a harem, a kings dowry, nine tenths of the farm... the list goes on, even Smaugs hoard isn't out of question.
amungus
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blame Canada

Seriously, that is crap. Assbackwards as frak.

Total, absolute crap. This is nothing but flat out stupid.

Honestly, this is the lowest of low moves, on tech that has existed for quite some time, no less. Seriously, DSL has existed for a good several years now, and SIMPLY CANNOT be upgraded to faster speeds as cable has shown possible over the years (esp. w/DOCSIS 3). Further "gimping" of such tech is a totally needless thing.

Then again, I suppose that death, taxes, and telco greed are the only certainties in life.

cork1958
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Re: blame Canada

said by amungus:

Seriously, that is crap. Assbackwards as frak.

Total, absolute crap. This is nothing but flat out stupid.

Honestly, this is the lowest of low moves, on tech that has existed for quite some time, no less. Seriously, DSL has existed for a good several years now, and SIMPLY CANNOT be upgraded to faster speeds as cable has shown possible over the years (esp. w/DOCSIS 3). Further "gimping" of such tech is a totally needless thing.

Then again, I suppose that death, taxes, and telco greed are the only certainties in life.

That's not assbackwards. It's bassackwards!!
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Chucks Truck

@teksavvy.com

They try to lure in the daft

The clueless newbies and the feeble minded people in the 90 plus age category may fall for this. Bell preys on these types of people. Lucky for them many exist in the province of Ontario. Very few exist in the other provinces.

SHY
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Just another nail in.......

the coffin. Seriously, I do not understand how anyone in their right mind would even consider using Bell as their provider.

PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD

Re: Just another nail in.......

Knowing DSL, no other local providers and a de facto monopoly in the area; or is that not really a problem in Canada like it is in the USA?
cybercrime

join:2011-11-23
Honey Brook, PA

all dsl and cable will be like 5 gigs a month

5 gigs a month like fronter did i dont know if they still do that but im sure the limits are soon will drop more real soon cause all the gaming concles apps uses more downloads now and they want too stop that
Katzendreck

join:2003-09-29
Calgary, AB

lol

quote:
Bell's "Fibe" service is named to make you think it's actually fiber, but the limitations on the DSL service are abundantly clear.
When I talked to Bell about what type of service their Fibe brand was, I was transferred numerous times between Internet Support, Sales, and even was transferred to their wireless department regarding using a usb dongle, WTF. Either their employees are stupid or they're too afraid to tell you it's just VDSL.

Sufficed to say, when the time comes, will be reassessing my broadband options. I'd so pay for municipal in a heartbeat just to give a giant "f you" to Bell and Rogers for their shoddy broadband service.
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JonyBelGeul
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Bell is confused

Bell recently announced they are eliminating throttling. They justify this by invoking network improvements, and the reduction in P2P traffic. How do they justify reducing caps then?

Oh wait, I know. Eliminating throttling allows more usage, therefore lower caps are that much easier to go over.

Smart.

asdfdfdfdfdf

@myvzw.com

Maybe I'm being lazy...

but I wasn't able to quickly determine what kind of price drop is involved. I'm not familiar with their previous pricing.

KrK
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Way more profitable...

To sucker people into "lower priced" tiers but then MURDER them with "overages."

Even better is when people upgrade to a faster "speed" tier only to then overrun their cap quickly and REALLY get bent over.
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funny0

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Re: Way more profitable...

said by KrK:

To sucker people into "lower priced" tiers but then MURDER them with "overages."

Even better is when people upgrade to a faster "speed" tier only to then overrun their cap quickly and REALLY get bent over.

and after a month or two of rape people will dorp the net accounts caused they cant afford htem and what happens .....

a raise in overage costs and lowering of the caps again

ya see i was right its a trend that causes them to in time put themselves out of business...HAHA GO BELLL

GO BELL
Os

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How will Bell defend this?

I'm looking forward to seeing their corporate speak justifying this. Will it be to keep our network running smoothly for all users? Will it be because costs are increasing?

There is no justification to lower caps for DSL other than gouging revenue because you can. This is why we MUST stop UBB in the US.

A cap like Comcast's really doesn't serve to produce revenue the way Bell's does. A cap like Cox/Charter have with different caps for different speeds does. And of course, AT&T and Suddenlink (and what TWC has dreamed about) is the nightmare we will have, just like Bell, unless we stand up and stop it.

corey

@shawcable.net

Re: How will Bell defend this?

Come to TELUS. There are no fees for going over the soft "limit" we have in place. Period.

Chucks Truck

@teksavvy.com

Re: How will Bell defend this?

Dsl doesn't have much of a future even the people subscribing to Telus will figure that out. The problem has been speeds in western Canada have been 20 years behind the rest of the world. When the subscribers finally figure that out they'll make the move to Shaw cable internet just like you did.

genethomasa

@bellsouth.net

Bell cable tv dsl service monopoly?

They are not raising their rates by lowering the Gb caps, exactly. They are in stark frightful desperation trying to save their long overpriced, low quality cable TV business model. Their cable TV huge cash cow is under attack and they are slowly but surely fighting back by, eventually, making it cheaper to stay with their cable TV side of the business v. the DSL download side of TV viewing.
This has to be some type of conflict of interest. A company with two ‘ports’ into a PUBLIC market (conventional Cable TV and DSL internet service) is driving their customers to the well-known higher priced and lower quality choice just by FALSELY raising the rates on the DSL side of the business.

Stand by for even more rate hikes and GB cap lowering’s as the low quality and high priced 800 lb. gorilla’s drive out competition to maintain their high price/low quality status quo.

DKS
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Performace has no change

It only affect Fibe customers. The larger part of the customer base, those of us on Performance (5056/800 profile), still have the 25 GB cap. Unless you still have the old HSLD package with no cap (and I do).
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London

@rogers.com

What next... TV Caps ?

So when will these thieves realize that TV caps would generate even more revenue? Perhaps you'll have to pay for more than 4 hours of usage a day...

DKS
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Re: What next... TV Caps ?

said by London :

So when will these thieves realize that TV caps would generate even more revenue? Perhaps you'll have to pay for more than 4 hours of usage a day...

More logical would be a TV receiver license as Great Britain has.
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disgusted

@videotron.ca

new arrivant

arf i m frshly arrives here to discover tha tmiddle age is just next door . switching from a 30 euros (45$) monthly fee for all GB you can get whatever you do (700 IS SMALL) to here ... doasna make sense i thaught north america was in the future