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Bell Starts Charging DSL Users $1-2.50 Per Gigabyte
Want to pay $170 a month for 7 Mbps DSL? Now you can!

Users in our Bell forum note that Bell Canada has begun charging users a variety of new costly and very confusing per gigabyte overages. DSL tiers now have several layers of caps, including base monthly caps starting at 25 GB and overages up to $2.50 per gigabyte.

For example, users on a 7 Mbps DSL tier who hit that 25 GB cap start paying $2 a gigabyte up to $60 maximum. If they cross 300GB the meter starts rolling again, and they incur an additional $1 per gigabyte for every gigabyte thereafter. So in short, users paying $44.95 CA (unbundled, no contract) for 7 Mbps DSL could face a bill up to $154.95 CA (plus fees) should their household consume 350 GB one month.

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The initial cap varies depending on the market and local competition (or more accurately lack thereof). In Quebec there's a 60GB monthly cap with $2.50 per GB overages with a $60 overage limit. In Ontario, there's a 25GB cap with $2/GB overages with a $60 overage limit. In both markets users who hit 300 GB begin being charged a whopping $1 for every gigabyte.

Given the fixed and dropping cost of providing DSL services, that's a fairly astounding price for what's essentially last-generation broadband technology. The move comes after the CRTC gave Canadian incumbents the green light for usage-based-billing (UBB) of wholesalers (which prevents any competitor from offering superior, uncapped services,) and only a few months after Netflix launched streaming HD video services in Canada.
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mob (banned)
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Are these Standard or Metric gigabytes?

They need to clarify this.

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Re: Are these Standard or Metric gigabytes?

In all seriousness, there are no regulations on how a Gigabyte is suppose to be measured, or any government inspection and certification of the bandwidth measuring equipment.

In other words, you have ABSOLUTELY NO WAY OF KNOWING if Bell's bandwidth consumption claims on your bill are accurate and reliable.

I know one thing. As soon as I get my first Bell overage bill via my 3rd party provider, Not only will I contest it directly to Bell, I'll also contest the charge to my credit card company.

Only by refusing to pay our bills as a group can we have any chance to fight this.
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Re: Are these Standard or Metric gigabytes?

If you guys are as tech savvy as you say you are, then you can monitor your pipe yourself.

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It'll be clarified when you receive the non-negotiable bill!

Fuck Bhell!

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Most likely 1000 megabyte = 1 gigabyte as that would get overages rolling in quicker.
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thats sad to see

No user will run a server at home or host games. It will surely prevent file sharing. And no unlimited Netflix.
IanR
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Re: thats sad to see

300GB per month is a load of Netflix streaming, is it not?
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not really, do the math..

3300kbps for HD streams from netflix, so 3.3mbps.
8 Megabits to 1 Megabyte, so .4125 MB per second.
.4125*60*60(for data per hour) = 1485 Megabytes per hour for HD streams from netflix.
300 GB = 300000MB.
300000/1485= 202.7 about 202 hours of streaming netflix before you hit your cap on netflix alone.
That's 6.7 hours per day(given 30 day billing cycle).
This does not include anything else that you do online, this is netflix only.
For homes that cut the cord, this can be devastating, especially if they run more than 1 netflix stream at a time.
If anyone sees errors with my math, please let me know. im pretty sure im correct in the bit to byte and GB to MB conversions.
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Re: not really, do the math..

said by Chubbysumo:

3300kbps for HD streams from netflix, so 3.3mbps.
8 Megabits to 1 Megabyte, so .4125 MB per second.
.4125*60*60(for data per hour) = 1485 Megabytes per hour for HD streams from netflix.
300 GB = 300000MB.
300000/1485= 202.7 about 202 hours of streaming netflix before you hit your cap on netflix alone.
That's 6.7 hours per day(given 30 day billing cycle).
This does not include anything else that you do online, this is netflix only.

Actually at 3300 kbps it's 211 hours per month. And you're assuming everything you watch will be in HD. Netflix doesn't have much HD content in the US. I'm sure Canada has less.

For homes that cut the cord, this can be devastating, especially if they run more than 1 netflix stream at a time.

That's the point, they don't want you to cut the cord. If you do they'll get their money in overage charges.

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Re: not really, do the math..

Canada has an inferior internet, many people get packet loss which would increase the average gigabyte useage.

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6.7 hours per day of Netflix? Jeez, that's a lot of TV.

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Re: not really, do the math..

said by fifty nine:

6.7 hours per day of Netflix? Jeez, that's a lot of TV.

Not for a family of 6 with a online streaming plan that lets you use 4 devices at the same time for netflix.
If each device has one 2 hr movie per day then that is 8 hrs of usage daily.
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Re: not really, do the math..

said by r81984:

said by fifty nine:

6.7 hours per day of Netflix? Jeez, that's a lot of TV.

Not for a family of 6 with a online streaming plan that lets you use 4 devices at the same time for netflix.
If each device has one 2 hr movie per day then that is 8 hrs of usage daily.

Once again you're assuming that you are watching nothing but HD on Netflix which Netflix has very little HD content. And don't take this the wrong way but does everyone have to watch a movie by themselves? Don't you have family time? Why I think these caps are BS, that doesn't mean you have some right to 24/7 streaming of Netflix. You're going to have to decide that once you go over your cap if a 2 hour HD movie from Netflix is worth the $3 you're going to get charged in overages. Perhaps you'll need to rent more DVDs from them instead. It would probably be cheaper.
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Re: not really, do the math..

actually, I dont know what you are watching, but I would say that about 50% of the content on netflix is HD already, and it goes higher every month. Also, there are other sources like hulu, and proprietary websites of abc, nbc, and so on. Most, if not all of the content that I watch on the web is in HD, and most is accessible in HD already. Any new content that netflix adds is in HD, and they are getting new HD sources for old stuff. give it 1 year or less, and netflix will have all content in HD.

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said by 88615298:

And don't take this the wrong way but does everyone have to watch a movie by themselves? Don't you have family time?

That is a stupid comment. Obviously you never had kids and you must have been an only child.
said by 88615298:

Why I think these caps are BS, that doesn't mean you have some right to 24/7 streaming of Netflix. You're going to have to decide that once you go over your cap if a 2 hour HD movie from Netflix is worth the $3 you're going to get charged in overages. Perhaps you'll need to rent more DVDs from them instead. It would probably be cheaper.

Everyone has a right to use their internet connection how they want. That is the point of the internet. Especially when your connection cost the ISP the same regardless if you use it 2 hrs a day or 24 hours a day. The ISP has to build their network to peak usage which means based on the max speed with everyone using it at peak times. Caps do not prevent network congestion, its purely a way for an ISP to bilk extra money out of many users.

Also you have every right to use netflix 24/7 on 4 devices. That is what you pay for with $7.99 a month.
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Re: not really, do the math..

said by r81984:

That is a stupid comment. Obviously you never had kids and you must have been an only child.

Actually I'm a single dad of a 15 year old. I have 2 sisters and a brother. Any more stupid assumptions?

Everyone has a right to use their internet connection how they want.

Your ISP says otherwise. What are you going to do about it? Sue them?

That is the point of the internet.

Not really.

Caps do not prevent network congestion, its purely a way for an ISP to bilk extra money out of many users.

Preaching to choir dude. You're not stating anything I haven't already said myself.

Also you have every right to use netflix 24/7 on 4 devices. That is what you pay for with $7.99 a month.

That has nothing to do with your ISPs TOS.

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Re: not really, do the math..

I am sure that you and your 15 year old and your 2 sisters and brothers always watch the same thing. Any more stupid comments you want to make??

My ISP exists (in the us) because my and everyone elses tax dollars paid for the invention of the internet. They have no right to start limiting it especially when having no limits is still hugely profitable for them.
Even in Canada the internet was built from US companies and US tax dollars and I am sure a bunch of Canadian government tax dollars and subsidies.
If they want to live in a place where they can freely exploit citizens and stop competition they should go to china.
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Re: not really, do the math..

Apparently you have *ZERO* clue as to how the Internet works.

Government money stopped having an impact on the Internet 20 years ago. I suppose if you would like to enjoy a 2400 bps modem, you could enjoy the all the Internet you could eat. Ever since then, private money has funded the Internet.

I have invested my own money to build an ISP. I purchase connectivity from other companies that have built using their own (including their shareholders) money.

The Internet would simply fall apart if everyone tried to use all of their capacity at the same time. The phone system, water system, sewer system, electrical grid, etc. are all the same.

Educate yourself before posting again, please?

r81984
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Re: not really, do the math..

said by johan_hammy:

Apparently you have *ZERO* clue as to how the Internet works.

Government money stopped having an impact on the Internet 20 years ago. I suppose if you would like to enjoy a 2400 bps modem, you could enjoy the all the Internet you could eat. Ever since then, private money has funded the Internet.

I have invested my own money to build an ISP. I purchase connectivity from other companies that have built using their own (including their shareholders) money.

The Internet would simply fall apart if everyone tried to use all of their capacity at the same time. The phone system, water system, sewer system, electrical grid, etc. are all the same.

Educate yourself before posting again, please?

You need to educate yourself. I know how a network works.

Government money is still being used today for development of the internet.
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Re: not really, do the math..

I need to educate myself? Well, yes, I do. I do so on a continual basis so I can deliver my customers the best Internet experience possible at a reasonable price. Anyone who thinks they don't need education is dangerous.

"A network" and "the Internet" are vastly different.

Other than ARRA and RUS, what government money is being used for development of the Internet.

BTW: Internet is capitalized.

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Re: not really, do the math..

said by johan_hammy:

"A network" and "the Internet" are vastly different.

Not really, sorry.
said by johan_hammy:

Other than ARRA and RUS, what government money is being used for development of the Internet.

Huh? which is is? the government does or does not pay for the development of the internet.
You should also pull out a history book.
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Re: not really, do the math..

LOL, now I remember why I don't frequent DSLR. There are simply too many people that think they know more than they do.

In "a network" every single thing is under your control. The Internet is a collection of network which at a very basic level means you no longer have control over everything. You have to convince someone else to connect to your network, usually with money. It costs you money to connect your client to the content they desire.

If you don't know what ARRA or RUS are then you obviously have zero clue about today's Internet. I'm not interested in history books as you stated the government *PAYS* for the Internet, not *PAID*. I will agree that more than 20 years ago, the US Federal government had a substantial involvement and investment in the network that became today's Internet. Other than ARRA and RUS, I am not aware of any government funds going towards the Internet in 20 years. If there have been, I would love to hear of them.

Do the thread a favor and don't respond if you can't form a sentence (which is is?) or cite sources for your lunacy.

»www.rurdev.usda.gov/RUST ··· ams.html
»www2.ntia.doc.gov/
»www.broadbandusa.gov/

Those three are the only sources of federal government money to the Internet I am aware of for the last 20 years.
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said by r81984:

I am sure that you and your 15 year old and your 2 sisters and brothers always watch the same thing. Any more stupid comments you want to make??

Actually my 15 year old rarely watches TV at all an hasn't for years. As far as my siblings, well we're all grown up so no we don't watch TV together. Quit being so defensive.

My ISP exists (in the us) because my and everyone elses tax dollars paid for the invention of the internet. They have no right to start limiting it especially when having no limits is still hugely profitable for them.
Even in Canada the internet was built from US companies and US tax dollars and I am sure a bunch of Canadian government tax dollars and subsidies.
If they want to live in a place where they can freely exploit citizens and stop competition they should go to china.

WOW you should really educate yourself on a topic before posting.
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My kids won't have a TV in their room until they're at least 16.

No, it does *NOT* cost the ISP the same regardless of usage. ISPs do *NOT* have to build their network to meet or exceed peak usage. Usage based billing *DOES* massage congestion and provides the funds to build up the network in required areas.

I'm sure NetFlix doesn't appreciate people streaming 24/7 on 4 devices for $8 either.

These sorts of actions simply aren't sustainable, neither for the ISP or for NetFlix.
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Sounds like a family crisis if they're watching TV separately.

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said by r81984:

said by fifty nine:

6.7 hours per day of Netflix? Jeez, that's a lot of TV.

Not for a family of 6 with a online streaming plan that lets you use 4 devices at the same time for netflix.
If each device has one 2 hr movie per day then that is 8 hrs of usage daily.

I had no idea the Netflix tos allowed streaming to four devices at once. I thought that the tos limited you to one. Is it different in canada?
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Re: not really, do the math..

I'm not sure of the TOS, but I've seen multiple devices on the same account streaming at once.

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No, it's the same here in Canada, one device at a time. Two deices requires two Netflix accounts.
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said by fifty nine:

I had no idea the Netflix tos allowed streaming to four devices at once. I thought that the tos limited you to one. Is it different in canada?

from my account page

You may watch instantly on up to 6 unique devices:

Including personal computers and Netflix ready devices. You may also use this page to manually de-register devices you no longer wish to use for watching instantly. A deactivated device can be reactivated later if you wish to resume using it.

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Ya no kidding. My family of 4 couldnt put away 6+ hours of TV even if they tried, Go out and play! lol

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said by Chubbysumo:

3300kbps for HD streams from netflix, so 3.3mbps.

3.3mbps is *barely* DVD Quality.
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Re: not really, do the math..

said by dvd536:

said by Chubbysumo:

3300kbps for HD streams from netflix, so 3.3mbps.

3.3mbps is *barely* DVD Quality.

They are most likely using h264 or another current-generation CODEC. Current-gen codecs do far superior jobs at encoding stuff at low bitrates than MPEG2 (DVD) ever could even with much higher bitrates.
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People can't expect to cut their cable or satellite service and expect to get video content for free.

If you decide you want to drain and refill your pool every day, you should certainly expect to pay for more water.

more math
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from the headline story
"$1 per gigabyte, for every gigabyte over three hundred that they consume each month. In other words, users paying $44.95 CA (unbundled, no contract) for 7 Mbps DSL, could face a bill up to $154.95 CA "

Not sure how, when you go 50 Gigs over (an additional $50 @ $1/Gig), you can raise a $44.95/month package to $154.95.
That works out to a $110.00 increase, not $50, for 50 Gigs,
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Re: thats sad to see

Right, it is NOT

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2 years until...

it comes here to USA.

if even that long.

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Is that such a steep price?

Let's see, 350 GB is 7 dual-layer Blu-disc's woth of data. How much would 7 BR movies cost?

No-cap flat rate pricing was fine when the only ones using lots of data were a small number of geeks, but once it starts moving mainstream (e.g., online Netflix, etc.), the Powers That Be aren't gonna let what used to be a ~$100/month per subscriber revenue stream for TV services go poof! and disappear due to some disruptive technology. Unless competition forces them to do otherwise, that is.

I think the explosive growth of Netflix online is the signal that flat-rate pricing will be coming to an end.

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Re: Is that such a steep price?

It's actually 60 dollars a month extra on top of your dsl rates plus an extra one dollar per gigabyte above 300 gigabytes a month plus GST and HST on top of that.

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I don't understand..

The info here states $1 per GB for everything over 300GB.

So if the monthly cost is $44.95 and you use 250GB shouldn't the following be true?

Monthly $44.95
Overage $50.00
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Total $94.95

Seems a lot less than the $154.95 as quoted.

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Thx crtc

CRTC as always Continually reducing telecom competition
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Re: Thx crtc

Even worse, you'll notice Bell customers get something they aren't offering users from other ISP's:

40 GB Usage Insurance Plan reg. $5.00/MO.
your price: $5.00/MO.
This feature is already on your account.

Give yourself peace of mind with extra Internet usage for only $5/month. Download all the TV shows you missed worry-free.

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Nuff Said...

BHell

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Glad My ISP Doesn't Have Caps (Yet)

Because I downloaded over 350GB just last weekend. And I uploaded at least 25GB as well.

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$1 per Gigabyte

is pretty reasonable, looks like a wholesale rate to me.

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So all this talk about milking us for overages

But why dont we see advancements in compression. Wouldnt the bandwidth apocalypse not be so apocalyptic if we could condense our data further. More data in the same bytes = less data transferred = problem solved ?

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300 is generous...

300GB is pretty generous for a $45 7mbit plan. I would bet that 9 out of the 10 people complaining in this thread have never exceeded 125GB in a month though means other than forgetting to turn off bittorrent after their ratio hit 1.

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Pricing change is for new users

What Karl neglects to mention is that this new pricing scheme is for new customers only at least for now. Old customers are suppose to be given a 30 day notice in writing of any billing changes and when I checked my account earlier today I was still subject to a maximum $30.00 overage charge which means I can download quite a few terabytes on my 25/7 plan all for an extra fee of $30.00 . If they try to stick me with this plan I would flee to one of their competitors in an instant who as it just happens offered me an unlimited and un-throttled business plan for less then I'm paying now.

I should also add that these are "list prices". Bell Canada has very active promotion, retention and winback departments who significantly discount these prices.

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Canada's communication industry is a goldmine but not for te

Here in Canada we have an Oligopoly; three major players soon to be four, Bell, Telus (DSL) and Rogers (cable) and shortly Shaw again cable making a push into becoming a national player hence "soon to be four".
Our government also basically has free reign of it's masses which the CRTC is a part of and i'm guessing gets lobbied regularly by the big players here, you know, trips to nice place with lots of "free" perks annually *just guessing but i'm sure it's very correct*
Although to some it may seem we pay less for a lot, it is infact the opposite add in heavy monitored traffic shaping and we in fact get less data for more dollars, the industry is pretty much closed as they've been blocking outside competition for years something which they can thank the Canadian government for having in place and which the players abuse as much as they can even with local competiton; e.g Fido which only remains a name from the past being chopped and split among the big three for the most now under Rogers. The others have since started their 'budget" brands Kodoo (Telus), Chatr(Rogers) and Vigin/Solo (Bell), you'd be surprised how the general public actually doesn't understand the playground here in Canada, you can run but not very far as ALL the new players are pretty much re-sellers or spin offs with a few exceptions being Videotron (Quebec) and Shaw (Western Canada, soon to be a national player)

So there is a brief history why the government is solely responsible for our horrid communication landscape ...well for the end users but is a money tree for the controlling players, mind you the government gets a huge cut from them in various forms and other perks when they leave public office.

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This isn't about controlling how much, but what ...

This isn't about controlling how much data you use. It's the next step in breaking network neutrality.

Bell and the other incumbent ISPs are media barons with broadcasting, production and distribution interests. They want you to use an "internet connection" to watch their TV, their programs, their portal info. They DO NOT WANT YOU TO GET ANY digital material from the internet.

They are in essence recreating Compuserve and AOL. You want stuff from the internet? We'll make sure you don't get too much and certainly not TV or movies or music because we'll charge you through the nose for that. They want you to get your movies from Bellflix ... they want you to get music from Belltunes ... they want you to get TV from BellOnDemand - or use BellTV over Fibe their non-FTTH fibre optic network or via DBS.

It's a preliminary direct assault on network neutrality.

And worse, to make sure you don't go to 3rd party internet providers who use Bell's and other providers last mile services, they are enforcing these same caps on the 3rd party by appealing to the government regulator that their services are congested and they want to control the congestion. Totally bogus.

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so how is overall economic growth in Canada? hows ecomony?

im sure internet access is not a positive factor to be included!

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Re: so how is overall economic growth in Canada? hows ecomony?

The housing market is on the cusp of a total collapse in prices. Prices have already tanked in Alberta with many apartments and townhouses selling for less than half their 2007 peak price. Growth will likely be around zero or slightly positive GDP for the year unless housing really tanks. In which case GDP will be negative and technically Canada will be back in recession. The harmonized sales tax in Ontario and British Columbia should shave around 1 to 2 percent off the GDP this year so if housing tanks growth will be negative for sure.

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Anon

real cost of bandwith?

so what exactly are the telcos trying to achieve with this cap? it seems to me that the largest cost would be the fixed cost of running a physical line to a house. the 2nd 300 gigs should be a whole lot cheaper than the first 300 gigs, right? what's their justtification?

milnoc
join:2001-03-05
Ottawa

milnoc

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Re: real cost of bandwith?

Their shareholders want more money?
johan_hammy
join:2003-08-08
Dekalb, IL

johan_hammy to j653

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to j653
The largest fixed cost, yes, is the individual home connections. However, the fixed and recurring costs associated with people that abuse the system aren't trivial either.

EUS
Kill cancer
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join:2002-09-10
canada

EUS

Premium Member

Throttled too!

On top of this steep pricing, you are throttled as well.
Nefarious collusion of Gov't and incumbents.

megarock
join:2001-06-28
Fenton, MO

megarock

Member

.

Bell to customers "Bend over, here comes Red Rover!!".

If people would just man up and cut off their internet in droves until this changes it would go away. If you don't speak with your money Red Rover will slowly give you less and less and less until you're throttled back to dial up speeds and paying for the meg.
johan_hammy
join:2003-08-08
Dekalb, IL

johan_hammy

Member

Re: .

There's a bright idea!

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium Member
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ

dvd536

Premium Member

Netflix's death knell

UBB

chuckcar
@bell.ca

chuckcar

Anon

Re: Netflix's death knell

I'd give netflix 6 months tops in Canada before they fold up operations for good.

RobbieS
@shawcable.net

RobbieS

Anon

Re: Netflix's death knell

And our ISPs will have succeeded - thanks to the naive, 300 year old folks over at the CRTC - They are so old, how can we expect them to understand these tech issues they are making decisions on...
Ulmo
join:2005-09-22
Aptos, CA

Ulmo

Member

So move out of Canada

So move out of Canada. It's a free world.

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