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Big Brother Is Watching (And Using Deep Packet Inspection)
When every packet you send and receive is monitored for the greater good...
by Karl Bode 04:22PM Thursday Oct 16 2008 Tipped by jbgroup1 See Profile
Deep packet inspection has many legitimate uses on an ISP network, but has gained notoriety in recent years for its use in delivering behavioral ads, injecting ISP javascript banners into websites, and identifying (and ultimately filtering or throttling) P2P traffic. Evolution in DPI technology has companies not only buying and selling your online habits, but pushing the technology as a new Internet policing solution, placing the onus on ISPs to compare every packet a user sends to a master database of what's legal or illegal. According to MSNBC, the legal pressure on ISPs to be babysitter is mounting, and the technology has caught the eye of NY AG Andrew Cuomo (we just mentioned his child porn "crackdown" yesterday):
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"A PowerPoint slide show from Brilliant Digital Entertainment describing the technology was passed on to AOL last month by two powerful forces in the fight against child porn: the office of New York Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo, who has been calling out ISPs that won't agree to block sites with illegal images, and Ernest E. Allen, the president and CEO of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, a nonprofit given by Congress a central role in the fight."
Child porn is kind of the "gateway drug" to broader filtering of the Internet, given that once ISPs take on the mantle of being kiddie porn cop, it's a short jump to engaging in policing for the entertainment industry and others. As Colorado law professor Paul Ohm recently noted, thanks to deep packet inspection, we're entering a brave new world where the ISP plays the starring role in a potential privacy nightmare.

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furlonium
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11,000 images?

That was the statistic I remember reading yesterday - 0.0003% of the images on newsgroups were illegal. So hell, let's just inspect every packet to make sure nobody's doing anything wrong.

WSPTOTC?

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Re: 11,000 images?

»thepiratebay.org/

Bring The Porn 2.11

»addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5504
k1ll3rdr4g0n

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Re: 11,000 images?

People in another thread didn't believe me when I said the internet was for porn! (Legal non kiddie porn).
Anyone wanna a 1hr movie of tentacles doing you know what?

But yeah this isn't possible, as there is just too many packets going over the network to where a computer/server just couldn't process it (maybe multiple "scanners", but still during peak usage it could become backloged with packets that need to be "inspected" especially if the user is using P2P).

Our law makers are so stupid though, they are just so thick. Lets say torrent packets are now allowed to be dropped, someone will come around with "Torrent v2" which allows you to use SSL....which no on can touch SSL decryption as it is a federal law saying its illegal to decrypt. And if you use SSL there is no way to determine if the packet it going to a web server or over P2P, especially if both are operating on port 80; because the information of what kind of packet it is, is encrypted. 256bit SSL encryption anyone?

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Do not want

^^^

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Porn is just the excuse...

"The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) which enforces movie copyrights, on the other hand has taken the position with the FCC that network neutrality could hurt anti-piracy technology such as deep packet inspection and other forms of filtering. To protect themselves against lawsuits, court injunctions, and government policies and regulations, ISPs are employing DPI to prevent illegal distribution of copyrighted materials by their subscribers."

In the 1960's, hollywood bowed to the FCC by showing only "wholesome" tv shows because of a perceived threat against the broadcast licenses. This may also be in play.
While NOBODY wants kiddie porn on the net, this is a clear attempt by the MPAA/RIAA to inflict policy via our legislatures.
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This is only the start...

Things such as this are endangering our online rights. That isn't to say looking at child porn is a right, but there are already clear processes for investigating people who are breaking the law. Look at CALEA and the whole warrant process. Oh, wait, that went down the drain long ago.

Not only that, what does this mean for the common carrier status? I imagine things such as this will endanger the status; for as soon as something illegal slips through, one could argue that the ISP has the capability of knowing whether something is illegal or not and that they missed it.

I fear for the future of online privacy and the mom-and-pop ISPs.

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Re: This is only the start...

said by bzmeteorite:

Not only that, what does this mean for the common carrier status?
What, exactly, is this "common carrier" status? I believe this is a sorely misunderstood subject.

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I just took a CALEA training course and its complete bullshit.
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Re: This is only the start...

said by technick:

I just took a CALEA training course and its complete bullshit.
The course was, or CALEA was? I'm guessing you meant CALEA since I happen to feel it's a flaming pile of horseshit myself...

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Re: This is only the start...

said by Done_Posting:

said by technick:

I just took a CALEA training course and its complete bullshit.
The course was, or CALEA was? I'm guessing you meant CALEA since I happen to feel it's a flaming pile of horseshit myself...
CALEA seems to be poorly designed in some respects, for one, there is no publicly published open standard out there that I am aware of, and two, the cost burden is completely on ISPs. That may not matter for the large ISPs, but for the smaller ones I'm sure it does.
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Re: This is only the start...

said by bzmeteorite:

CALEA seems to be poorly designed in some respects, for one, there is no publicly published open standard out there that I am aware of, and two, the cost burden is completely on ISPs. That may not matter for the large ISPs, but for the smaller ones I'm sure it does.
Here's a public standard:
WISPA CALEA Standards (Versions 1 and 2) as produced by the WISPA CALEA Committee and ratified in May 2008.
»www.wispa.org/calea/WCS/

There are also cost effective solutions for small providers:
Netequalizer: »www.netequalizer.com/caleafaq.php
Mikrotik: »wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Calea

HTH,
Mike
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said by Mike_27:

Here's a public standard:
WISPA CALEA Standards (Versions 1 and 2) as produced by the WISPA CALEA Committee and ratified in May 2008.
»www.wispa.org/calea/WCS/

There are also cost effective solutions for small providers:
Netequalizer: »www.netequalizer.com/caleafaq.php
Mikrotik: »wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Calea

HTH,
Mike
I recall some time ago that WISPA was working with the FBI on working on a standard, great to see it's been finished and published.

»www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireles···faq.html

Edit: I just relooked up OpenCALEA. It seems they have made considerable progress from when I last looked at them. Interesting.

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said by bzmeteorite:

Not only that, what does this mean for the common carrier status? I imagine things such as this will endanger the status;
ISPs are not considered Common Carriers, a flaw that is causing a seemingly endless pile of problems.
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Re: This is only the start...

said by funchords:

said by bzmeteorite:

Not only that, what does this mean for the common carrier status? I imagine things such as this will endanger the status;
ISPs are not considered Common Carriers, a flaw that is causing a seemingly endless pile of problems.
That is what I have always understood, at least, that seems to be implied by the FCC requiring that ISPs are CALEA compliant, and CALEA labels them as Common Carriers.

If I happen to be wrong, please correct me, I don't like spreading misinformation.
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Re: This is only the start...

said by bzmeteorite:

That is what I have always understood, at least, that seems to be implied by the FCC requiring that ISPs are CALEA compliant, and CALEA labels them as Common Carriers.
Not that this is an authoritative source of any information:

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communicat···ment_Act

But there seems to be a distinction between "common carriers", and ISP ("facilities-based broadband Internet access providers"), and CALEA classes both as, “telecommunications carriers”.

Does anybody tossing the term "common carrier" about have any clue as to what it really means?
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Re: This is only the start...

said by NormanS:

But there seems to be a distinction between "common carriers", and ISP ("facilities-based broadband Internet access providers"), and CALEA classes both as, “telecommunications carriers”.

Does anybody tossing the term "common carrier" about have any clue as to what it really means?
Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. So many intricacies of the laws out there - quite daunting.
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said by NormanS:

Does anybody tossing the term "common carrier" about have any clue as to what it really means?
Planes, trains, and automobiles.

It was meant to level the playing field between companies needing to transport goods from one place to another so that one company would not have a competitive advantage over another one due to getting an "under the table" good buddy deal from transportation companies such as the railroad industry.

In the telecommunications industry I believe it applies to the carriers that the ISPs get their connection to the Internet from and not to the ISPs themselves.

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Re: This is only the start...

Finally; somebody who actually has a clue!
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Re: This is only the start...

said by Kearnstd:

For the Children is the most abused method of getting new abuses of...
"For the Children"... I believe one family law attorney as labeled accusations of child sex abuse in divorce proceedings as the "atom bomb of family law".

I am mindful of several latter day witch hunts, including the McMartin Pre-School case in Manhattan Beach, California, the Wenatchee, Washington child abuse scare, and the Satanic Ritual Scare in Kern County, California.

Fighting child abuse is politically safe; being accused of it is the Kiss of Death.
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Paging the authoritarians...

Isn't it about time someone popped up saying "If you don't have anything to hide, then why worry if the government tracks your browsing habits?"
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Re: Paging the authoritarians...

said by Corydon:

Isn't it about time someone popped up saying "If you don't have anything to hide, then why worry if the government tracks your browsing habits?"

I have nothing to hide, and I'm not worried that the government tracks my browsing habbits. I'm worried that my browsing habbits are being sold to THIRD PARTIES who I have no business relationship with. I am worried about directed advertising.

I don't feel like the government, my ISP or anyone other than the person/company on the other end of the transaction should know what adult sites I visit, or what adult toys my wife may decide to purchase.

Identity theft is at an all time high. Just this weekend I spent two days cleaning out the results of an .XPI exploit that has German users infected to the tune of 500,000 (it also exists in an MSIE version.) Perhaps that was my fault, but a momentary lapse in security can cost one a pretty penny, and I don't need no more eyes or machines inspecting my supposedly encrypted packets.

Do you now get it?

My credit card and debit card companies both began offering virtual credit cards a few months ago, as if on que. Last month I had a fraudulent $46 dollar charge.

Why would I want to subject myself to MORE ads, MORE potential data theft and MORE nannyism. I'm an adult and a big boy. If I do something wrong, they'll find a way to come after me ANYWAY. It's not like there are many secrets left online.

Vermont has a law on the books - The consumer explicitly decides which third party business associates of the ISP he or she wishes to allow transfer of his info, or not at all.

Why would I want my vitals in MORE databases susceptible to MORE hacks and INCREASING my chances of having a serious incident of theft.

This is no longer about piracy. It's about PRIVACY from unwanted intrusion and targeted advertisements.

The government can have my data all they want. I DON'T WANT THIRD PARTY PRIVATE COMPANIES keeping my data all over the place, especially when I'm only risking increased chances of problems.

Maybe if the ISP gave me a break of 5 bucks a month on my bills, I'd change my mind. But why should I agree to allowing any and all comers a peek at where I've been?

Anything can be misconstrued. I'd rather not chance a misunderstanding. When you have children depending on daddy to make the adult decisions, you'll get it. Maybe.

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Steaming Piles Abound

Karl nailed the issue when he used the words gateway drug. Given that the amount of images on the Net at large of kiddie porn amount to less the .0333333333%, this crap with the filtering is nothing but utter nonsense and a way for the **AA, and, their cozy buddies the federal government, to invade privacy.

Remember that the Internet is really the only true form of Democracy as anyone anywhere can express his opinion. We cannot, of course, as a society that caters of, by, for and to the corporation, afford to have the worker bees informed/aware of what their government/plantation owners do in their name, therefore, democracy must be regulated in order to, say it with me....save the children.
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Re: Steaming Piles Abound

I agree with most of what you said except for that very last bit. Sorry, but there are hundreds of millions of Chinese who don't see the Internet as being unmonitored or democratic in any way.

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Re: Steaming Piles Abound

said by jarthur31:

I agree with most of what you said except for that very last bit. Sorry, but there are hundreds of millions of Chinese who don't see the Internet as being unmonitored or democratic in any way.
You're absolutely right about the misconceptions that are so abundant amongst people who have lived their entire lives in democratic societies and incorrectly assume that the whole world is as their experiences have taught them, I would add to your posit about the Chinese from communist China (The "Peoples" Republic of China, not to be confused with The Republic of China, aka Taiwan) is only one of many throughout the world that fall under such "big brother' category, for instance just ninety miles south of Key West communist Cuba does not allow unfettered net access, it is extremely restricted and even more exponentially limited to a few monitored (by human "minders") locations, additionally all traffic is directed to centralized location where all content is filtered, but the average John Q Public in the USA has no clue about these issues because this country's media outlets are basically more concerned with the almighty dollar and the romanticized fallacy of Socialism by another name, aka Liberalism American style.
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said by jarthur31:

I agree with most of what you said except for that very last bit. Sorry, but there are hundreds of millions of Chinese who don't see the Internet as being unmonitored or democratic in any way.
I wasn't referring to any other country except the U.S. With policies in place like DPI and before it the PRO-IP Act, the U.S. is fast becoming like China so fear not, the average John Q. will soon know on quite the intimate level precisely what it's like to be monitored. Then you won't have to but in with anymore about China on a U.S. based thread about U.S. policies.

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Re: Steaming Piles Abound

said by SilverSurfer1:

said by jarthur31:

I agree with most of what you said except for that very last bit. Sorry, but there are hundreds of millions of Chinese who don't see the Internet as being unmonitored or democratic in any way.
I wasn't referring to any other country except the U.S. With policies in place like DPI and before it the PRO-IP Act, the U.S. is fast becoming like China so fear not, the average John Q. will soon know on quite the intimate level precisely what it's like to be monitored. Then you won't have to but in with anymore about China on a U.S. based thread about U.S. policies.
First off, I'm amazed at this issue, coming up now, in the midst of this circus of a Presidential campaign.

Mr. Cuomo, I hope this whole issue comes back to bite you on your arse one day in the future. Stop trying to find the American People nannies... We're adults. Got a warrant ? Come on in and look around. No? Go away and stop urging my ISP to further spy and police it's users.

ISPs should be tought a lesson about these emerging anti-privacy practices as well. This has tremendous implications for the role of the ISP.

Do you guys really want to be the Corporate Interest Police, Verizon? Do you AT&T (n/m that, you already answered a while back. Telecomm immunity ring a bell??




The following may be slightly OT.

I wish to quote something.

"
Tribute to Abraham Lincoln
A letter from Booker T. Washington
Springfield, Ill. Feb. 12, 1909

"My Dear Sir:
It is a matter of keen regret to me that owing to a long standing promise to speak in New York on the occasion of the one-hundredth anniversary of the birth of Abraham Lincoln, I find myself unable to accept your generous invitation to speak in his home city on that day. There is no spot in America where it would have given me greater satisfaction to have spoken than in Springfield - the city that he loved and the city where his body rests."

"There are many lessons which can and will be drawn from the life of our great hero, but there is one above all others at this moment that I deed fitting to call attention to on this occasion. Among other reasons, I do it because of recent occurrences in the city of Lincoln's adoption."

"When Lincoln freed my race there were four millions. Now there are ten millions. Naturally, more and more this increase means that they will scatter themselves through the country, north as well as south. A large element already is in the north. If my race would honor the memory of Lincoln and exhibit their gratitude for what he did, it can do so in no more fitting manner that putting into daily practice the lessons of his own life. Mr. Lincoln was a simple, humble man. Great men are always simple. No matter where members of my race reside, we should resolve from this day forward that we will lead sober, industrious, frugal, moral lives, and that while being ambitious, we shall at the same time be patient, law-abiding and self-controlled as Lincoln was. These are the elements that will win success and respect, no matter where we live. Every member of my race who does not work, who leads an immoral life, dishonors the memory and the name of Lincoln. Everone, on the other hand, who leads a law-abiding, sober life is justifying the faith which the sainted Lincoln place in us.

"In every part of this country I want to see my race live such high and useful lives that they will not be merely tolerated, but they shall actually be needed and wanted because of their usefulness to the community. The loafer, the man who tries to live by his wits, is never wanted anywhere.

"Many white people in the north who are now honoring the memory of Lincoln, are coming into contact with the race that Lincoln freed for the first time. I have spoken of the patience and the self-control needed on the part of my race. With equal emphasis I wish to add, that no man who hallows the name of Lincoln will inflict injustice upon the negro because he is a negro or because he is weak. Every act of injustice, of law-breaking, growing out of the presence of the negro, seeks to pull down the great temple of justice and law and order which he gave his life to make secure. Lawlessness that begins when a weak race is the victum, grows by what it feeds upon and soon spreads until it includes all races. It is easy for a strong man or a strong race to kick down a weak man or a weak race. It is ignoble to kick down; it is noble to lift up as Lincoln sought to do all through his life. Just in the degree that both races, while we are passing through this crucial period, exhibit the high qualities of self-control and liberality which Lincoln exhibited in his own life, we will show that in reality we love and honor his name, and both races will be lifted into a high atmosphere of service to each other.

"Yours truly,
BOOKER T. WASHINGTON"

What ever happened to Log Cabin republicans. Lincoln was a very big, strong man, and lived in an age where the country had much more wilderness than today. Yet, "Lincoln's formal education consisted of about 18 months of schooling, but he was largely self-educated and an avid reader."

"He was also a talented local wrestler and skilled with an axe YET Lincoln avoided hunting and fishing because he did not like killing animals, even for food.

At 6 foot 4 inches (1.93 m), he was unusually tall and strong, he sure could've shot whatever he pleased.

His life is a long struggle of personal sorrow, honest, hard work, deep introspection and most importantly , empathy and more hard work. He held this country together where as folks like Joe Vogel of the Alaskan Indepence Party of whom Mr. Palin is a member of since 1995.

He is my idol, political or otheriwse.

If I was somehow president for a month, I would immediately speak to the people, allay their fears and convince folks that a paradigm shift is needed. We can no longer be blind consumers; the wall mart to the rest of the world. American people especially our leaders must stop living in the immediate moment and consider their interests with a more mature, long term outlook.

Furthermore, I also believe also it should be made ILLEGAL to malign one's political opponent's religion or color. Even if Obama is somehow a closet Muslim (LOL) what makes him any worse than me? Or you?

I like to say that his middle name blew up the World Trade Center Towers, and if you think about it, Sadam/Iraq had NOTHING to do with it all in the first place!

Now McCain does a 180 and says he's a good guy? Wait, I'm confused.. Wasn't Barack the antichrist days ago?

McCain would loose his matching funds for the stunts his campaign pulled over the past year if not disqualified entirely... Like S is really that close to the B on a qwerty layout.

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said by StreetSpirit:

The following may be slightly OT.
You, sir, have a gift for understatement.

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An example of where this is heading:

"A 15-year-old Ohio girl was arrested on felony child pornography charges for allegedly sending nude cell phone pictures of herself to certain classmates. Authorities are considering charging some of the students who received the photos as well."

She's facing up to 20 years, but the probably won't throw the book at her due to her age. Yet they are using her age to call her a child pornographer!! Anyone else find this well.... kinda like a big load of BS?

Not to mention her friends who are "guilty" of "receiving Child Pornography" apparently...
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One day...

One day, someone's going to find a stash of kiddie porn on a certain AG's computer...

Remind me what happened to the last Governor of NY?
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Re: One day...

I don't believe that it was kiddie porn, I believe that it to do with some short (timewise) business relationships with a young lady.
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Should the AG really be shilling for a corporation?

The Attorney General "passing on a PowerPoint" from a specific corporation is equivalent to him saying "buy this company's product or I will make your life hell". It's up there with senators introducing legislation written by people outside the government.

In the typical fraud, someone in the government will get a list of features from their friend "corporation A". Then they will open bidding to complete work (or follow regulations) that magically matches the list of features of "corporation A". If corp. B and C want to have a chance of winning, they need to spend money being compatible with A, because their unique features aren't even considered. And even then it's known that A should be picked.

Here, he's just skipping the part where government makes a regulation, and forwarding marketing material from "corporation A" to the ISPs. I expect if they block child porn their own way without using this product, he'll make their lives hell anyways.

Here's a good example of how it's done at the highest levels:
»www.susanohanian.org/show_nclb_a···?id=2377

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I know some here approve of this stuff

But for those who do not, if you ever get invited to visit a major porn/child abuse monitoring point, take up the offer. You will be amazed at how much goes on, and some of the powerful names in business and governments that are playing the game. Many untouchable because of their power and the fact that the evidence gotten that way is not legal (unless they can actually be at a meet point and witness the activity which they do with older men pretending to be 13 year old girls).

I was told a few years ago that new encryption techniques are hiding the really big guys that like playing with little boys and girls, and it is hard to fight the red tape to get access to that technology.

Oh well, everyone has their own experiences and views.
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I get a kick......

out of all this crap which is designed to pop ads up in my face that I may pay attention too. The reality is.... I don't even look at the ad. I'm looking for the little X that closes the window. You would think these advertising guys would figure that out.
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Re: I get a kick......

said by Mememeeeeeiiii :

out of all this crap which is designed to pop ads up in my face that I may pay attention too. The reality is.... I don't even look at the ad. I'm looking for the little X that closes the window. You would think these advertising guys would figure that out.
I have pop up blocker, so I don't have to worry about that, but I wonder if the tools that the ISP use or the Feds use would detect that it did pop up and I "looked" at it?

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oh yea

but you can still look at cartoons depicting child porn.
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said by i1me2ao:

but you can still look at cartoons depicting child porn.
Actually, the Supreme Court this year upheld the PROTECT act of 2003 which bans the possession or distribution of any obscene depiction of children. It also bans the offering or mention of having such images even if there are no images available.
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Re: oh yea

thanks did not realize that..
Madtown
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Madera, CA
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·Comcast

1 edit

1 recommendation

Privacy tools need to be used more often

I use CCleaner as a privacy tool, yes I know not very effective but still...........

The reason I use CCleaner aside from cleaning out junk that fill up space, I use it if for example I'm in a chat room and someone post a link to a questionable website I can use CCleaner to clean that out.

If I were to click on a child porn link, let me tell you, even if all of the images had time to load on my laptop screen, maybe 1 or 2 I might look at but once my eyes and the cursor find that red x, I'm clicking that bitch as fast as I can. I don't think their monitoring tools would detect that, it would just detect that I was on there, even if the webpage didn't fully load it would show as it did fully load.

Tell me one thing and be honest, how many of you had ended up on a child porn site? I have, and I tell you one thing I made a mental note not to go back to that site again, and I also ran a Anti-Virus scan to make sure no viruses happened and I used CCleaner to make sure I don't go back there no more.

sASaSAdAsasDA

@verizon.net

2 recommendations

TYRANNY

this is not about child porn this about the start of mass censorship on all levels. TPTB know that the internet is the last vestige of freedom of speech and it must be stopped as their plans for one world government/socialism with the international bankers running everything is getting exposed and the governments that they own, namely western govts. wake up sheeple

The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is The People vs. The Banks. - Lord Acton, Historian, 1834 - 1902

jbgroup1
Non Conformist
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join:2000-05-04
Dayton, MD
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·T-Mobile US

Look at its checkered past.

Brilliant Digital is the owner of Altnet which was once installed with Kazaa and used the unused resources (CPU, memory and network bandwidth) of the computer on which it was installed to serve paid advertisements. I was later determined to be spy ware. This company also currently blocks copyrighted material on P2P networks using a global file registry of copyrighted files. This technology will be the same technology used to filter child porn.
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StreetSpirit
This spot reserved for Xenu.
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join:2002-08-13
Roslyn, NY
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·Optimum Online

1 recommendation

Cuomo, you've lost me as a potential voter. Forever.

And I suspect this issue will lose Mr. Andrew Cuomo lots more support from consumers who use PCs and understand the issues.

This isn't freaking Communist China or at least it did not used to be.

This is no longer about piracy, but privacy.

Mercurybird
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join:2004-06-24
Hooks, TX
kudos:1
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·Windstream

Yeah right! I have a bridge to sell ya...

If anybody seriously thinks that anybody has the time and resources to undertake such a monumental task... especially every day... especially during peak hours...

Just open your eyes and look around you. There are a host of examples to be found that suggests that they couldn't find their butt with both hands if they had a string attached.

I'm not saying that to mock them. But the world gets more and more complex, multifaceted, and layered every day. We're all doing the best we can to keep up. When you realize that the "Big Brother" you're talking about here is awash in his own bureaucracy, and it is growing and compounding every day just like the world around him... I guarantee you he isn't able to do what it says he can.
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oolisfast

@optonline.net

isn't this invasion of privacy, no matter what..

my feeling.. doesn't sound right (except for reasons of national security) for any legal authority to be snooping in other peoples business for anything without an order of the court.

phxmark
What Country Are We Living In?

join:2000-12-27
Glendale, AZ

Re: isn't this invasion of privacy, no matter what..

said by oolisfast :

my feeling.. doesn't sound right (except for reasons of national security) for any legal authority to be snooping in other peoples business for anything without an order of the court.
What privacy? Welcome to the U.S.S.A. United Socialist States of America.
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Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT

Hmm.. Which country does this remind you of?

Yep.. I knew this was coming for awhile now.

Glaice
Brutal Video Vault
Premium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY

Hey Big Brother

Go rotate on this a few thousand times!
Kearnstd
Space Elf
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Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1

perverts will still move their materials

no matter how much filtering and policeware we let the government pollute our freedom with. the child porn spreaders ability to be creative in material movement and law avoidence, makes P2P piracy creativity look like chickenshit. this is something that needs to be handled via traditional detective and FBI work as rings have to be penitrated with agents or the perverts lured out by stings.
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Froggy

@teksavvy.com

What a farce!

Maybe New York Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo can pay for everyone's subscription to giganews. Andrew i'm waiting for my check in the mail i just took out a one year subscription to giganews.