1 edit | ?? How the heck would an ISP enforce this anyway? Doesn't Congress have more important things to do? | |
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2 edits | said by hootabius:How the heck would an ISP enforce this anyway? Doesn't Congress have more important things to do? Agree. Uh, how? So some Nigerian scammer puts the initials "SIPC" in one of those "we've got $10,000,000 for you" messages, and an ISP is supposed to block it. There's so much of this junk out there that the only way to block it would be to just shut down the internet.
And if the wording is so broad it could be interpreted to include VOIP, I guess it's also your ISP's fault if a scammer calls you on your VOIP phone service.
Unenforceable. It's just like the "Can Spam" bill, which accomplished nothing. | |
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| | | | Re: ?? This may go with the territory. It was the ISPs that refused to be used as dumb pipes. If they didn't expect to be over-regulated they then had their heads in thier arse!
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| | | | | Re: ?? You got it.
Also, there goes our internet "privacy", not they we really had any in the first place. This is really scary and will only result in higher costs for the consumer. The intent may be good, but the implementation will not be what was intended. The gov't needs to realize that they can not just waive a magic wand and say, "Make it so" to fix a problem. | |
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I hope this gets removed from the bill. | |
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| | | good intent but it will never happen and it is stupid to even think of it.
how can you even know what is a scam or not ?
how can you even implement this ?
and how much more money will we the consumers be forced to pay if this bill passes. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | i am awaiting something being spewed by a lawmaker about stopping child porn. i mean all this bill is missing is a "for the children" angle and dont our lawmakers enjoy exploiting that for vote gaining?
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Sterling Heights, MI | god fordbid i am actually looking to re-finance, and doing it via email. i hope these dont get auto-blocked | |
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| dforan
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Willoughby, OH | Re: god fordbid If you do not get you financing, then maybe you can get your degree | |
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Houston, TX | ISPs = PROVIDERS, NOT NANNIES Do lawmakers have any idea how hard would this be..? This will just add more cost to subscribers.
Plus, Internet Service Providers are PROVIDERS. It's like making the electric company liable for fried electronics due to variations on voltage, or sending my medical bill to the water service for having crappy water that got me sick....
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1 edit | Re: ISPs = PROVIDERS, NOT NANNIES No, it's not like either of those. In both of those cases it could actually be argued that the providers were the source of the problem.
It is more like holding UPS or FedEx responsible for you sending someone cocaine in a package.
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| | | | Re: ISPs = PROVIDERS, NOT NANNIES said by canesfan2001:No, it's not like either of those. In both of those cases it could actually be argued that the providers were the source of the problem. It is more like holding UPS or FedEx responsible for you sending someone cocaine in a package. Funny you should phrase it like that...
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|  tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM
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Chandler, AZ | said by PToN:Do lawmakers have any idea how hard would this be..? This will just add more cost to subscribers. Plus, Internet Service Providers are PROVIDERS. It's like making the electric company liable for fried electronics due to variations on voltage, or sending my medical bill to the water service for having crappy water that got me sick.... They need to focus on things that really matter. it stems from having people in congress that have no idea about that which they are tasked to regulate and understand. most people in congress are lawyers, though there are some doctors, etc. very few (if any) are engineers or technical people. as such, they are forced to make decisions based on lobbyists, think tanks, and hearings chock full of populist rants - they have no clue about what it really entails to run an isp. they see chris hanson go after peder-asses and nigerian scammers. pedophiles are a big deal, so by association, so must nigerian scammers.
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kudos:2 | ISPs are not IPPolice wouldn't this law be the same as holding the US Postal Service liable for letting 'chain letters' and 'pyramid schemes' through to our mailboxes?
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| | | Re: ISPs are not IPPolice Exactly. | |
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New Orleans, LA | I would love to see the ISP's become a bit more proactive in this area but I am just not sure how they would be able to police this AND how exactly it would work that we hold them liable | |
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| | | Now that is a law I could get behind (as long as it's narrowly defined as you've stated). | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | my guess is that is the intention but since lawmakers are not really capable of knowing about high tech things like the internet and how it works they worded their little law too general.
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Glendale, CA | Lame Seriously, are lawmakers this bored? How the heck would an ISP enforce this?
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1 edit | Will this include riaa and mpaa also? Since the riaa and mpaa is a financially scamming, with questionable tactics. | |
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| | on the other hand Not that I like this idea, but if ISP take it upon themselves to protect the interests of the RIAA et al, why not require them to protect the interests of their customers??? | |
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If someone drowns in their bathtub the water company can be held liable .... | |
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| | And how, exactly, can the ISP recognize fraud? An ISP can't tell, just from the content of a message, whether it's fraudulent or contains a "misrepresentation" of any kind. About all we could do -- and we might have to, in self defense -- is to flat out block any e-mail message containing the phrase "Securities Investor Protection Corporation" or any abbreviation thereof. | |
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| bgraham
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| Re: And how, exactly, can the ISP recognize fraud? The same way the U S Mail and the phone companies do. They do nothing until the authorities carry out an investigation. When people get scammed, they complain to the police or the FBI and the police and/or the FBI investigate.
Hasn't this happened recently with the so called mortgage adjustment industry and the credit card interest reduction scams where most of them took your money and did nothing. Those industries used phone, email and mail for their scams.
I don't see where this requires a new law. Just another case where politicians have no idea about technology. To the uninitiated and non technical people it looks as if the politicians are actually doing something.
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Pasadena, CA | Never happen I don't think the majority of members of Congress actually understand how the internet works in the first place. I doubt most of them do anything more than check email. It will never fly. | |
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