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| Classification The one the EFF sued to try and get information about but the Obama Administration classified as a state secret? How's that CHANGE and transparency working out for you?
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| Re: Classification said by Time  :The one the EFF sued to try and get information about but the Obama Administration classified as a state secret? How's that CHANGE and transparency working out for you? I think you misunderstood. The transparency only exists when it has to do with documents that the Bush administration refused to release 
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| someone needs to leak this full document on the net, wouldnt be the first time and this one getting leaked would cause no harm because it's not like its the design for a new spyplane or something important to keep hush hush.
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| said by Time :The one the EFF sued to try and get information about but the Obama Administration classified as a state secret? How's that CHANGE and transparency working out for you? LOL, you guys/gals crack me up.
I would just like to point out that everyone is getting their information from a single place: Michael Geist's blog. So where is this "leaked document"? Every source I find online points back to Geist. Even the articles Geist cites at the bottom of his blog point back to him. Even Wikipedia points back to him. I'm not saying that he's wrong nor am I trying to deflate the severity of this but Geist is even relying on other sources:
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Sources say that the draft text, modeled on the U.S.-South Korea free trade agreement, focuses on following five issues...
Then following that even he says:
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If accurate ...
Doesn't leave me a whole lot of confidence that we're getting all the facts here. I would seek information better than third or fourth hand accounts of something before I went around screaming about the sky falling.
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Secret Copyright Treaty Leaks. It's Bad. Very Bad.
So where is the leaked document so that I can judge for myself?
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Billings, MT | Re: Classification You honestly think if everyone knew of this that they'd approve?
I'm sure we'd have a cyber-equivalent of a Civil War. | |
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2 edits | Re: Classification said by Simba7 :You honestly think if everyone knew of this that they'd approve? I'm sure we'd have a cyber-equivalent of a Civil War. to bad ISP are in the middle
because people will drop there internet to a lower cheaper speed if they can not download anything
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| Hey, another Slashdotter. 
But either way, unless you are the same Slashdotter that posted the nearly identical post, I think we are going to have to count this as 'Strike 1' for you.
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| No matter what the source, secret laws that are hashed out without the full open participation of our elected representatives are bad ideas.
This appears to be yet another step to bring the US under control of some non-elected, non-responsive, non American international board of thugs. As such it should be resisted with every fiber of our being. We are Americans; our nation and her citizens should be subject only to US laws, and not be answerable to some international body who is not charged with working in our best interest.
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1 edit | Re: Classification excuse me Mr. NOVA_Guy, but this is a 'whole world' initiative by the Office of the United States Trade Representative via the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement . | |
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| said by Time :The one the EFF sued to try and get information about but the Obama Administration classified as a state secret? How's that CHANGE and transparency working out for you? No kidding. With that useless $^$#@ in office - this kind of crap just might actually fly.
Governments need to think REAL HARD who votes for them and who can vote them out of office. Hint: it's not the corporations. | |
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| Re: Classification said by nitzan :Governments need to think REAL HARD who votes for them and who can vote them out of office. Hint: it's not the corporations. Give 'em time. | |
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join:2008-02-27 | Re: Classification Governments still need to keep up a facade of being "for the people". They can't completely screw us without even pretending to care about us. This WILL come back and bite whoever votes for this - if it even gets to a vote. (it shouldn't) | |
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| Re: Classification yeah, right. like the average person remembers anything these days. only the ones of us that are technically savy will remember a vote like this. the knowledgeable digital rights citizen is a minority. the average voting numb-nutz won't care cause they'll dismiss it cause its a non-issue to them because they don't understand digital rights (like we ever had any).
and in 2050 when i'm 92 and some young 20-something whipper snapper posts something about digital rights on this board, i'll snap back at him saying that his great-great-grandparents gave it all away during the Bush/Obama Administrations because their old, assisted living asses were more concerned about Social Security, Medicare, and prescription drug options rather than the 12:00 that had been flashing on their ancient VCRs for 20 years.
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| Stupid regulations I don't think network neutrality rules that stop ISPs from buying expensive packet discrimination technology are excessive regulation. Surely, a better example of overblown regulation is requiring ISPs to monitor customers, stop doing business with them, and blacklist them from starting a new contract.
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Norwich, CT | Re: Stupid regulations Countries sign off on it. its a global initiative from the USA that is getting pushed by the MPAA/RIAA. kind of like a trade agreement.
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| Re: Amerika said by TK Junk Mail :...government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations. If he's complaining about that, then this is not the real TK LOL. Well, this just reflects America's usual world police role and Obama's move to socialism. Secret laws made by way of secret meetings by the socialist party that people have no vote on or even knowledge of. Sound familiar? While certain socialism elements aren't horrible, this defeats the entire way the government is supposed to be run according to our current process. Who does he think he is overriding the voters part of the process? George W. Bush? | |
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Washington, DC | Re: Amerika ACTA, its agenda, and its secrecy all pre-dates Obama by a very long time. | |
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| Re: Amerika said by funchords :ACTA, its agenda, and its secrecy all pre-dates Obama by a very long time. Don't tell them that! It's all Obama's fault!
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| Saw this the other day in response to some glenn beck crap, but I liked it.
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity
generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department
of Energy.
I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to
see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic
and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be
like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National
Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my
breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking
the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug
Administration.
At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept
accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the
US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads
built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation,
possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level
determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender
issued by the Federal Reserve Bank. On the way out the door I deposit
any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the
kids off at the public school.
Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work
thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor
and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to
my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state
and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which
has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police
department.
I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense
Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on dslreports and
fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the
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| Re: Amerika *yawn*
The FCC? A joke.
NASA? Losing their funding.
US Postal Service? Going out of business.
OSHA? A respected department.
Police and fire departments? Budget issues. Funding problems. Lack of resources.
The Internet? Thanks to private companies for building it out and making it what it is.
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| Re: Amerika *Yawn*
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The FCC? A joke. Plenty of privatized companies that are jokes yet request government funds. Connected Nation springs right to mind as soon as I think of one. Could probably list thousands.
NASA? Losing their funding. Which has been the general theme since the space race ended. With the current state of health care maybe funding would best be spent in other areas closer to home for the time being?
US Postal Service? Going out of business. Is in need of reform, it has been running too long without changes to business practices, the same as many privatized businesses that failed and requests bailouts.
The Internet? Thanks to private companies for building it out and... Which also request government subsidize while also requesting huge incentives such as tax cuts and breaks, that the common working man pays for.
Police and fire departments? Budget issues. Funding problems. Lack of resources. Even privatized security companies have this problem. As for fire departments, many run a voluntary program. People who do not even get paid, but do it for the good of a community. One of the few programs I will defend no matter the cost, if you never lost a home to a fire, well then you can't possibly understand. I think you made the mistake of pointing out one of the most glaring examples of the good socialize can be. If the world worked more like a voluntary fire department, the world would be a much nicer place. Here is someone making no money, out of the goodness of their hearts running into a home or business on fire they have no connection to risking their lives to save, Yeah I would love to see you tell one of those men and women to their face how privatized business could run their department better. And when I think of privatized business running a fire department, I always think of Marcus Licinius Crassus. A firefighter on the list of the all time richest people in the world, hmmm wonder how that happens...
Major investment firms in the US? In need of government bailouts.
The entire privatized banking/lending system of the US? In need of government bailouts.
The entire auto industry in the US? In need of government bailouts.
The entire housing market in the US? Total collapse, in need of more government bailouts.
Privatize health insurance in the US? While the bottom line looks great for them, it is a industry that will collapse under it's own weight just as the lending/banking companies. In this area alone, three hospitals have closed their doors. For some reason I do not think it is a sign that less people are getting sick, or in need of health care.
Interesting how with one hand the very privatize businesses that fund groups that talk about how socialization is bad for America, while the other hand grabs at US tax payer money.
It is hard to say many big corporations in America at this point are not in some way associated with socialization, when their goal is to become too big to fail to insure the government will back their business, then it is hard to argue the point of privatized is more secure and without fail of it's own. | |
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| Re: Amerika Nah, maybe just time to completely remove money from politics. Debates and commercials funded by taxpayer money, equal amounts for each candidate. Politicians completely forbidden from accepting gifts or donations from anyone. All that counts is one person, one vote.
I think that would go a long way towards restoring power to the people.
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nothing will change short of revolution and it may very well come to that yet | |
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| New business models? "There is simply no reason for ACTA, at all," chimes in Mike Masnick at Techdirt. "It is nothing but an attempt by the entertainment industry to put massive restrictions on the internet, place liability on lots of third parties, and do nothing to push themselves to adapt to a changing marketplace with new business models." "
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| Re: Just go o wikileaks.. I just send this article to InfoWars.com
They usually have all the dirt on what secret gov is doing.
That makes me ask a question. What do you people think about the NSA's new ultra secret 1.5 million square foot data center that can store yottabytes.
Do you think they are archiving all social networking info that's on the entire Internet?
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| Re: Just go o wikileaks.. it will be voice conversations (VoIP)/email/chat sessions/social networking sites/etc. anything that is transmitted across the internet can and will be copied then filtered for analysis.
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| Termination upon Allegation? Gotta love this part: "ISPs would be required to automatically terminate a customer upon a rightsholders' repeat allegation of copyright infringement at a particular IP address."
So all the RIAA/MPAA has to do is allege that I've been pirating music/movies a couple of times and I'll be kicked off? No burden of proof or court cases to determine my guilt, mind you. The mere fact that a giant, copyright owning corporation says I'm guilty is enough to shut off my Internet connection. Does that work both ways? Can I allege that they've infringed my copyright (I do create some copyrightable works) a few times (whether or not they have) and get them kicked offline? Why do I think there are processes in place that would penalize me for trying to do this but are effectively useless if they falsely get me kicked offline?
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| said by Jason Levine :So all the RIAA/MPAA has to do is allege that I've been pirating music/movies a couple of times and I'll be kicked off? No, it's worse than that. All they have to do is allege that pirating is occurring at an IP address associated with your account. In other words, you have to play cop over anyone with potential access to your home network (kids, wife, granddad, dog, wireless moochers), and the ISP in turn plays cop over you.
This is know by its acronym for System for Total Awareness of Stolen Information. | |
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2 edits | As i said yesterday this as is , is ILLEGAL IN CANADA
there going to have to sneak laws by us to make this work SO WATCH all laws that are crime based in the next little while and play that game
lets imagine how it can apply to this UNDEMOCRATIC facist
TREASONOUS GARBAGE
THAT'S RIGHT ACTA IS TREASON
it is a small group undermining YOUR DEMOCRACY
on November 11th remember that we fought 2 world wars and one in north Korea thats not even technically over.
MY GRANDFATHER FOUGHT
( its also his birthday if he were still alive ) there FOR OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS.
And yes i have an honorable discharge form the Canadian armed forces.....and i think we should get the hell out of Afghanistan and let the Americans finish the insanity they started.
Many died ...Millions died. For what now i ask so a few traitorous greedy bastards could steal those rights away so they can have more yachts?
THIS IS getting sickening...
They are going ot hav eto amend the charter of rights and freedoms on 2 fronts which will be nearly impossible to do.
the right to be presumed innocent under one charter
and section 12 CRUEL and UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT
for it is both CRUEL and UNUSAL to pass judgement on a presumption of guilt until you are tried and convicted and if said treatment in due course causes harm or malice to said individual ( think about a disabled person with no other means of communications getting cut off wrongly )
DO YOU TAX payers want to fork out the cash for that?
So home networks hows that work does it hten by law force me to also become a cop cause FUCK THAT
im sick a govt interfering in my life
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| Re: As i said yesterday through your angry halfway legible typing skills, i understand what you are saying.
what the MPAA/RIAA in the USA and the other Entertainment Organizations around the world Office of the United States Trade Representative is saying is that they want the Governments of all Countries that sign off on ACTA to ensure that ISPs are held accountable for their subscriber's actions, up to and including termination of service for the subscriber, blacklisted from any subscriber based ISP, criminal punishment for the subscriber, and subscriber fines. Also included are fines for ISPs that don't adhere to ACTA in those Countries that sign off on it, whether it be not buying certified filtering hardware/software, lack of monitoring, careless/reckless disregard for global policy, ignoring termination of service letters from the Global Intellectual Property Organization, not keeping/falsifying/destroying logs, etc, etc, etc.
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| Re: As i said yesterday said by Harddrive :through your angry halfway legible typing skills, i understand what you are saying. what the MPAA/RIAA in the USA and the other Entertainment Organizations around the world Office of the United States Trade Representative is saying is that they want the Governments of all Countries that sign off on ACTA to ensure that ISPs are held accountable for their subscriber's actions, up to and including termination of service for the subscriber, blacklisted from any subscriber based ISP, criminal punishment for the subscriber, and subscriber fines. Also included are fines for ISPs that don't adhere to ACTA in those Countries that sign off on it, whether it be not buying certified filtering hardware/software, lack of monitoring, careless/reckless disregard for global policy, ignoring termination of service letters from the Global Intellectual Property Organization, not keeping/falsifying/destroying logs, etc, etc, etc. which in Canada is at lest 3 charter of rights and freedoms violations sorry i was tired and just woke up.
i should go back tidy it up and re-edit parts yea. BUT most get the meaning.....i really am NOT going to wear a poppy any more cause what my grandfather fought for in world war 1 and 2 is dead its been stripped away by reagonite like greed.
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join:2009-01-13
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| WTF? • That ISPs have to proactively police copyright on user-contributed material. This means that it will be impossible to run a service like Flickr or YouTube or Blogger, since hiring enough lawyers to ensure that the mountain of material uploaded every second isn't infringing will exceed any hope of profitability.
• That the whole world must adopt US-style "notice-and-takedown" rules that require ISPs to remove any material that is accused -- again, without evidence or trial -- of infringing copyright. This has proved a disaster in the US and other countries, where it provides an easy means of censoring material, just by accusing it of infringing copyright.
• Mandatory prohibitions on breaking DRM, even if doing so for a lawful purpose (e.g., to make a work available to disabled people; for archival preservation; because you own the copyrighted work that is locked up with DRM)
You've gotta be sh**in me... | |
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| Re: WTF? said by PapaMidnight :• That ISPs have to proactively police copyright on user-contributed material. This means that it will be impossible to run a service like Flickr or YouTube or Blogger, since hiring enough lawyers to ensure that the mountain of material uploaded every second isn't infringing will exceed any hope of profitability.
• That the whole world must adopt US-style "notice-and-takedown" rules that require ISPs to remove any material that is accused -- again, without evidence or trial -- of infringing copyright. This has proved a disaster in the US and other countries, where it provides an easy means of censoring material, just by accusing it of infringing copyright.
• Mandatory prohibitions on breaking DRM, even if doing so for a lawful purpose (e.g., to make a work available to disabled people; for archival preservation; because you own the copyrighted work that is locked up with DRM)
You've gotta be sh**in me... Nope. Read what has been leaked thus far about ACTA (www.michaelgeist.ca is a very good place to start) and you'll see that it's all pretty much as you have feared, and worse.
Cross a border with an iPod that has songs on it that aren't DRM'd and you could be looking at hard time in a Turkish prison, courtesy of Disney, Sony, Warner, et. al., and your friendly local Senator/Congressman's vote. | |
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join:2009-06-19
Portland, ME
| Boycott Hollywood,MPAA, and RIAA I have been on a personal boycott of all things Hollywood and bigwig greedbags RIAA and their stogge labels/artists.
This is what I have been doing:
1.I no longer buy any music except for local artists and indie small label artists
2.I no longer buy nay movies from Hollywood but will buy indie small filmmakers
3.If I need to buy a movie I find it used and start my search at a local store that sells used stuff.If not local I will buy a used copy from ebay or amazon
4.If I follow a TV show I will support that show by buying a new DVD Boxset and hope it will help to renew the show I follow.
How many folks will follow me ? How many will ask their friends and spread the word ?
And if this ACTA krap happens how many will truly boycott this disgusting greedy BS industry ???? | |
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join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| encryption anyone? So how much longer till everything being sent across the internet is in some encrypted form (and possibly goes through a network like TOR)? if crap like this continues to be pushed behind the people's backs, I can easily see many people getting ticked and start using encryption and anonymization techniques as part of a larger protest against this crap.
as others have said, 'so much for transparency...' . i just fail to see how ACTA is classfied as a state secret. maybe 'the man' is afraid that if this gets leaked out (which it will i'm almost sure) it'll cause an up roar or revolt. | |
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join:2008-09-23
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| how hackers end the internet we hack you do pirating you get caught and one strike
we rove about and sooner or later there is no one left on the net.
ENJOY cause that is what will happen
there is no security thats 100% tight to prevent it there is no way to stop it and your all going to have to enjoy the love. | |
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What Country Are We Living In?
join:2000-12-27
Glendale, AZ
| Everyone need to boycott... The Entertainment Industry. I have not been to a movie or bought a CD in the past seven years.
The only movies I buy are the ones in the bargain bin at the store. Yeah, I know it still supports them but they don't make as much money from it than when the movie came out 5 years ago.
All my music was ripped from CDs that friends have. I see the protections that the recording industry put on CDs is working out so well. I have no problems ripping using my Mac. Windows doesn't do so well with some of the copy protections.
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Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL | Oh FUN! Ahh yes termination of service on allegation of piracy. How wonderfully appropriate that is.
Don't bother with the whole "due process" thing, "innocent until proven guilty" yea that doesn't much matter I suppose. | |
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Capital offense if your Wireless Network is hacked.
Will the copyright weasels pay off enough lawmakers to make it a capital offense if copyrighted material is downloaded through your wireless network after it is hacked? Our government has a history of requiring individuals and corporations to do work for them and not reimburse them for the cost incurred. Tax laws require companies and banks to maintain a work force and/or computer systems to report employees or depositors income.