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Also discovers that video demand pressures capacity...
(old news - 12:03PM Monday Mar 12 2007)
tags: bandwidth · cable
We've enjoyed the tug of war among analysts that is the debate over whether cable networks have enough broadband capacity. The latest proclamation is courtesy of IDC Research and the Boston Globe, who take a look at Comcast's decision to boot egregious downloaders (something we've been talking about for years). They've come to two aging conclusions: Comcast needs to communicate better when it comes to caps, and video demand requires infrastructure upgrades (shocking, both).

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AnonProxy
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The GLobe generally stinks

But at least they are on top of this one.
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Re: The GLobe generally stinks

What we need is more bandwith (FTTP) at an affordable price for everyone. The only way to accopmlish this is with a National High Speed Internet for all Policy that provides a minimum of 2mbps downstream and 1mbps upstream. There must be accountability and public reporting of actual broadband speeds and reliability.
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said by AnonProxy See Profile :

But at least they are on top of this one.
No...! If you think the globe stinks.. then they stink! Don't come around here applauding something you don't like because they happen to be on your side of a vanity issue.

Sorry, but this is a major problem - it's called being a sell-out. This is no different than being against, say, the dems because of their social issues and other issues, yet supporting them because they now support your side on the war.
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Re: The GLobe generally stinks

said by fiberguy See Profile :

said by AnonProxy See Profile :

But at least they are on top of this one.
No...! If you think the globe stinks.. then they stink! Don't come around here applauding something you don't like because they happen to be on your side of a vanity issue.

Sorry, but this is a major problem - it's called being a sell-out. This is no different than being against, say, the dems because of their social issues and other issues, yet supporting them because they now support your side on the war.
Wait, so he has to disagree with the Globe even when he agrees with the Globe, because they stink? It's sounds like he was giving credit where it's due, in spite of his dislike of the Globe.
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Re: The GLobe generally stinks

If the rest of their reporting stinks.. then wouldn't that show that this story stinks too?

It's called being a sell out.

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said by fiberguy See Profile :

If the rest of their reporting stinks.. then wouldn't that show that this story stinks too?

It's called being a sell out.
Why? Even a bad newspaper hits it on the head once in a while. I hate Bill O'Reilly, but if I listen to him long enough there's bound to be something I agree with him on, and if I do I'd admit it. Doesn't mean that O'Reilly doesn't stink or isn't wrong 99% of the time, but 1% of the time he might have a point.
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Re: The GLobe generally stinks

Why? Because when they are 1wwrong 99% of the time, you have to look at this in one of a couple ways.

1) They are a poor reporter and they have no credibility.

2) You don't agree with anything he says most of the time, yet you say they suck, however, when they agree with you then you give them a pass.

Either way, it all comes down to the credibility. You can't feel that strong against someone all the time and give them credit when you agree with them. This doesn't mean they got it right,.. their track record is that they just don't get it.. it just means that you are on the same side.

But, if they are always wrong, how can you be sure their intentions, reporting, and facts (even when you agree) are in fact going to be right?

It boils down to credibility.
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said by AnonProxy See Profile :

But at least they are on top of this one.
Their story had no more details than the many posts here. If they uncovered a 'new' story, that might mean something, but this is old news. Let them force Comcast to make the Cap public. Then they'd be 'on top' of this. But still, they printed my credit card number on computer paper along with others and just shipped that out. It was stupid then, but in hindsight, it was @#$%ing stupid.

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said by AnonProxy See Profile :

But at least they are on top of this one.
They always stink in the editorial department, but they are the paper of record for the Irish sports pages.

For those of you in Yorba Linda, that's the death notices.

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People...you are missing the irony of the original comment...

they are on top of this like being on top of a 4 year old story.
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ughhh

Not again
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Double post
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Enough trolling, Karl. Can we go just one day without a post that's anti-business or pro-piracy? It's far from a unanimous opinion that Comcast should publicize its caps.

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How is this "anti-business"?

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I'm with you, I can't find any amount of opinion or social engineering in that summary anywhere. Frankly Karl's unbiased news and summaries are the only reason I come to this site.
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said by Yauch See Profile :

Frankly Karl's unbiased news and summaries are the only reason I come to this site.
now thats funny.

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OK, so if you want straight "news" visit the linked site. But, you don't want that. What you want is a network enthusiast slant on things.

DSLR talking about a huge player in the broadband arena cutting off service to customers without giving any fair limit of "too much usage" is news to me.

Folks here trying to protect "big business", as if big business really has their interest at heart, kills me.

Comcast is huge. Being big shines a bright spotlight on everything they do. And, considering the amount of "big businesses" out there, Comcast steps into that spotlight (in a negative way) quite a bit.
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said by Yauch See Profile :

I'm with you, I can't find any amount of opinion or social engineering in that summary anywhere. Frankly Karl's unbiased news and summaries are the only reason I come to this site.
Unbiased? are you BLIND? You'd have to be to say that Karl isn't biased. He posts opinions in his news.. that's bias. Not to mention, this site is largely a so-called "consumers" forum... so, how is he unbiased again?
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Ummm, find me an opinion in the summary above. I realize that not all of the headlines are free from personal opinion, but the summary at the top is nothing but a summation of someone else's article, with nothing extra thrown in. Point being, summaries like this one are why I come here.

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I'm not going to argue your opinion, nor am I going to defend Karl's choice of stories, but I'm just curious: Since Karl presumably can only post "anti-business or pro-piracy" stories, how many "pro-business or anti-piracy" stories have you found and submitted to the front page?

It's one thing to simply bitch about the quality of the stories and blast them with no contrary evidence or links, but it's quite another to actually contribute information supporting your allegations of bias. At the very least, I would think that any story so controversial and so biased would have plenty of dissenting articles you could point to.

Or are you doing this and having a contrary opinion quashed by the terrible powers that be here?
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said by quatrix See Profile :

Enough trolling, Karl. Can we go just one day without a post that's anti-business or pro-piracy? It's far from a unanimous opinion that Comcast should publicize its caps.
So accountability is anti-business?

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said by quatrix See Profile :

Enough trolling, Karl. Can we go just one day without a post that's anti-business or pro-piracy? It's far from a unanimous opinion that Comcast should publicize its caps.
Eight years ago(give or take one), it was people like you saying that the only reason for 512/90 DSL connections were for piracy because media files require a lot of bandwidth.

Now, 512/90 is a joke - for driver downloads, or piracy, compared to what most broadband ISPs offer for that same $55/month.

There are many reasons for better caps, and many of them are legal. Trading sessions with a friend, higher quality legal audio/video on the net(god knows we need it, youtube looks like shit and streaming radio on tons of sites is 80k).

It's pretty damn ignorant to say the only purpose for higher bandwidth and a lack of caps is piracy. It's people like you that hinder technological progress. If people like you were on the board of directors of certain companies over the past 40 years, we'd have no VCRs, no CD/DVD burners, no tape machines, no consumer level recordable records.. it's pathetic that people still think like that.
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"It's people like you that hinder technological progress. If people like you were on the board of directors of certain companies over the past 40 years, we'd have no VCRs, no CD/DVD burners, no tape machines, no consumer level recordable records.. it's pathetic that people still think like that."

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This issue is NOT about piracy anyway. But to every ISP's defense (including Comcast's) they do not monitor what it is that you are hitting or downloading, rather they are looking at the node and how hard it is working. That being said, it's pretty clear to me that Comcast's network CANNOT handle the number of users and the increasing loads of content.

Top 1%? Let's do the math: Comcast number of users (according to what they publicly state): 11 million subscribers
number of users booted off for network abuse: 1%= 115,000 (and growing).

Can you say Federal class-action suit happing soon and CEO/blow-hard Brian Roberts is gonna be brought back down to planet earth?

And for those of you that think invisible caps are better? Your day will come when you receive "the call" and you're on the other side of the fence on this issue.

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I am begging you Comcast please do not communicate a clear cap I don't wanna be limited to 60 GB's a month

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said by Loker See Profile :

I am begging you Comcast please do not communicate a clear cap I don't wanna be limited to 60 GB's a month
Yeah! No shit!

Inviso-caps are WAY better than 50-60GB stated caps!
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said by dadkins See Profile :

said by Loker See Profile :

I am begging you Comcast please do not communicate a clear cap I don't wanna be limited to 60 GB's a month
Yeah! No shit!

Inviso-caps are WAY better than 50-60GB stated caps!
They at least send a letter, or temporarly shut you off, so you can resolve the issue, or switch. I would HATE an actual cap, as I am too lazy to plot my usage, and would hate to have to check a site each day to see where my monthly total is at. But we don't have this problem anyway, so it's all good.
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Well, personally I think stating a cap is like placing a food limit on that all-you-can-eat buffet.

For my $6 I do expect to get all the food my stomach can handle, but I also know there's going to be some reasonable limits. There's no way they're going to let me hang out all day while taking whole trays of food back to my table...
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If Comcast comes out and states what the cap is, then it wouldn't be like an all-you-can-eat buffet. That's kind of the point of this argument. I would much rather eat at the buffet that costs $6 when I know I can eat 3 plates rather than the buffet that costs $10 when I think I might be able to eat 4, or 5, or maybe 10 plates, but might be cut off by the restaurant at some point during my 5th plate because they believe I'm eating too much.
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said by kpfx See Profile :

There's no way they're going to let me hang out all day while taking whole trays of food back to my table...
Your last comment is the key analogy. Hanging out all day is abusing the general idea and costing the restaurant money, but it isn't directly affecting other diners. However, as soon as you snatch most of the food as soon as it comes out then it is your peers who suffer. This seems to be exactly Comcast's (very sensible in my opinion) approach - go after those who impact other users.
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All You Can Eat!!

 
 
no caps means.... no caps!
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Re: All You Can Eat!!

They didn't say no caps.. they said no "hard" caps.

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said by kpfx See Profile :

Well, personally I think stating a cap is like placing a food limit on that all-you-can-eat buffet.
There is no appropriate analogy for the cap situation.

What is a bit disconcerting is that Comcast doesn't have a odometer where one can check their usage. I've never gotten a letter, and my big file downloads are random and infrequent. But I don't know if one month I'll have pushed my luck. Probably not.

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said by joetaxpayer See Profile :

What is a bit disconcerting is that Comcast doesn't have a odometer where one can check their usage. I've never gotten a letter, and my big file downloads are random and infrequent. But I don't know if one month I'll have pushed my luck. Probably not.
GOD PEOPLE WAKE UP!!! It's not like every node is deployed in a uniform fashion! There can never be a "specific" limit enforced, because it's based upon area usage patterns, and how you as an individual impact the rest of the users. If my node has 90 people, but somehow you manage to tie up 80% of the available overhead, then your @$$ needs to go, plain and simple. However, if there is only 40 people on the node, you are not as likely to stress out your neighbors by "pounding away" on the downloads, hence, you'll never get a letter. I myself do not expect to suffer, however, with a hard cap just to please a bunch of idiots who think it should be in writing. I'd much rather get a letter, resolve the issue and either move to a smaller neighborhood, or switch to another provider. You will only see "easy to hit" "caps" if you're in a heavily populated area, and your usage is far beyond the norm. So if you live in Hillbilly heaven, and the "interweb" is what people use, you may have 140 users on your node who don't do jack with their connection, but if you slow them down, or affect them negatively, you'll get the boot, not them.
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said by kpfx See Profile :

Well, personally I think stating a cap is like placing a food limit on that all-you-can-eat buffet.
Ok, well how about this. Do you really think the "all you can eat" place will let you sit at the same table for 10 hours, and have 3 different meals worth for $6, NO, because you paid to fill up once. Comcast is doing similar. They are saying "please stop eating so much bandwidth, or we're going to have to ask you to leave", and when you continue, they usher you out the door. Whats wrong with that. In my opinion, if you're disrupting my service, and everyone else around me, because your a greedy pig, then don't let the door hit ya on the way out!
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Inviso-caps are WAY better than 50-60GB stated caps!

To quote some detractors, what are people doing to hit 50-60 Gigs a month??? That's a lot to download!

Yeah I'm sorta kidding. I can hit that but it would take some work. Now I'm on DSL and MRTG and vnstat shows I should be using about 21-30 Gigs this month with normal usage. I'm curious how Comcast came up with the numbers I was accused of. Weird.

What's interesting is Comcast would benefit from infrastructure such as Utopianet but fight against it. Go figure.

Anyway, I've always thought we should remove the speed limit signs myself and guess how fast I should be driving.

Heck, if I purchase a piece of clothing from a store (for example), I'd expect it to be the right size, style or even color I'm looking for. From a business perspective, Comcast kicking people off is no different than walking to a store and the clerk puts an article of clothing in a bag and telling you it's what you really wanted to purchase. Really it is.

That being said, Comcast really should join the rest of the world and advertise what we really purchased. Other Cable Internet companies are doing just that.

Speaking of which, I've heard chatter about Comcast limits of 40, 60 and 80 gigs at some point being announced. Don't recall who told me that. I've been pouring through my hand written notes. I must have lost it or something. I'm wondering if this is true. Also I understand they have a system that will allow you to monitor your traffic but it's not enabled currently.

If I recall properly, I heard this from some guy in Atlanta Georgia last week as we chatted over the phone. He was disconnected by Comcast in February and was willing to chat with reporters in the area about it. So stay tuned. There is a lot more of this coming as I am directing people to chat with the media.

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said by Loker See Profile :

I am begging you Comcast please do not communicate a clear cap I don't wanna be limited to 60 GB's a month
You must have a really low opinion of Comcast or HFC networks to suggest that they'd set the cap so low.

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Anti Business? Wait... so as a CONSUMER who has very few choices, we should sit down, pay the bill, and accept what we get? Seriously? Ok buddy, if you buy a car that's a Lemon DON'T complain. Once again, it's anti business that you complain. Should you win, that business will lose money fixing or replacing your car. Better yet, if you buy a product and it's under warranty, DO NOT USE the warranty. Warranties are ANTI BUSINESS. Comapanies lose money on sales when items are exchanged. If you want to be a top notch consumer.. REBUY the product.... Now you see how stupid your comment seems?

So call me a bit picky, but we're one of those countries PAYING the most for our internet. Hell, half of europe has 10mbit+..... Sure their government subsidizes it but let me ask you.. How does my tax dollars going to build a bridge that costs 300 million in ALaska or the 10s of billion in pork barrel spending not fall under the same guise? I'd rather MY TAX DOLLARS were used wisely to once help companies build a better infrastructure and give me incentive to do so. We pay taxes. We pay these guys A LOT per month... My bill for 5mbit is 55 dollars a month. Give me a break that these companies can't afford to build out and expand....Karl Marx? NO. Reality from someone with a BRAIN? Yes
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I agree totally. We shouldn't even be arguing over this. In Japan they are paying less than $40 for 100 Mbps. Too many other countries to it faster and cheaper. Not only don't we have an broadband policy that supports infrastructure growth but if we do pay for high speeds there is no one making sure we get what we pay for. I don't expect it for free and I don't expect anyone to build it for free, but it do expect my government to start taking this issue seriously. It's as important to our economy as schools and roads and air traffic (though I would hope they'd do a better job on this than they've done on those). Check out »speedmatters.com for some ideas on broadband policy.

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And comcast is charging 60.00 for that. That's right, 60.00 a month for 1GB of data? If that's the case, then that's only about 3 days of DIAL-UP (33,6) speeds. How in the world can comcast justify charging 60.00 for 1GB of data?

So, if you download only 2GB a month, you COULD be cut off by comcast. Don't think it won't happen, if they want to increase profits, they will just put on a 2GB/month cap.
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The Commonwealth of Massachusetts will act swiftly to fix this non published cap issue.

The AGs office will investigate a criminal conspiracy, finding none then civilly sue Comcast for Chapter 93A »www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/gl-93a-toc.htm
violations. There will be a cap publicly posted by then end of 2009. LOL
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said by bigjimc See Profile :

There will be a cap publicly posted by then end of 2009. LOL
"LOL" and now everyone will see a cap of about 60gb and now many people will start to see broadband prices soar. Soon, the people of MA will be crying that BB prices are "out of hand" when they start paying the overage of $2.50 per gb of transfer.

Until the socialists of the world finally 'get it'.. they will continue to screw things up for everyone else.

The bottom line is that the bandwidth abusers KNOW they are using way too much. If not, then they need to be told - which they are.

Here's what I DO agree on, because I happen to be one that agrees both with the consumer AND business as businesses, believe it or not - HAVE RIGHTS!

- Customers should be throttled back after a certain transfer to a 768kbps line for the remainder of the month - not cut off.

- Customers, if they are using the service to download movie after movie, need to be educated on the amount of bandwidth they are using. They may not know that 1 single movie helps push them to a bandwidth abuser that much quicker.

- Businesses don't need to be putting the consumer's best interest first. If you really believe that, I invite you to start your own business.

- If government wants to offer better services to the consumer, they need to do their job, the way it's supposed to be done. LAY A BETTER LANDSCAPE FOR BUSINESS TO COMPETE. They need to STOP tugging business by the leash and stop telling them what to do at every turn. We all know that government can't run anything worth crap, so when they take a private business and dictate how it must operate, they are in fact running things again. Governments job is to lay a foundation for which business can work - maybe they should work on that first.

It's currently way too hard for business to want to compete in this area. They write idiotic laws that favor one side, not the other and you constantly have big business fighting government and in the end the consumer feels the pain. The government needs to be :: gasp :: "fair" to business if they want to get what they want for the people.

Finally - stop living like socialists... we're not a socialist society. The sooner people get that out of their minds, the happier you will be. If not, there is a country or two out there that would be happy to have you as part of the borg.
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said by fiberguy See Profile :

"LOL" and now everyone will see a cap of about 60gb and now many people will start to see broadband prices soar. Soon, the people of MA will be crying that BB prices are "out of hand" when they start paying the overage of $2.50 per gb of transfer.

Blah, Blah, Blah

Finally - stop living like socialists... we're not a socialist society. The sooner people get that out of their minds, the happier you will be. If not, there is a country or two out there that would be happy to have you as part of the borg.
You post has little merit because of the evolution of the net. IPTV, Netflix Online, Proliferation of Youtube and other video sharing site. LEGAL (yes, L-E-G-A-L) downloads for the average joe will increase 10 fold. What about those who will give up broadcast and sat tv for IPTV. How much bandwidth do you think they are going to use?

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Re: Net neutrality any one?

said by FIOS See Profile :

Just wait until net-neutrality becomes law; you ain't seen nothing yet.
Irrelevant. Net neutrality addresses web sites paying ISPs for preferential routing. It has nothing to do with end-user QoS or caps.
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said by FIOS See Profile :

Just wait until net-neutrality becomes law; you ain't seen nothing yet.
Irrelevant. Net neutrality addresses web sites paying ISPs for preferential routing. It has nothing to do with end-user QoS or caps.
Net-neutrality is whatever the ignorant political hacks want it to be.
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Cable TV doesn't want to state a cap because it is not a fixed number. It depends on the `number of people on a node and how much those people use their connection.

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Once again, the point is missed due to a forest - trees thing. The article is pointing out the bandwidth bind that providers are going to face very soon at the present rate of internet growth, and the fact that Comcast's current stance is to play a game of pretend (or don't ask, we won't tell) and go on with business as usual. These companies do business like our government -- or is it the other way around? -- and sell impression by spinning reality to suit a consumer paradise at inflated prices only because they've turned the word regulation into a pejorative and are creating mini geo monopolies.

We all know why Comcast doesn't want to publish a cap: the question is what are they going to do when their back is against the bandwidth wall they pretend doesn't exist?

Put those frying pans over your arse, is my advice
CLEVELTECH

join:2006-12-21
02107

Re: Shoot, aim, ready

Eventually Comcast is going to be facing a federal class-action suit. It's only a matter of time.

Toguro

join:2003-10-23
Ottawa, IL

Let me give you a little inside information about Comcast. Comcast likes to monitor. they are pranksters. Think about it. they give us high speeds. They give us this extraordinary gift, and then what do they do, I swear for their own amusement, their own private, corporate gag reel, they set the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Surf but don't stream. Stream, but don't download. Download, but not to much. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what are they doing? Their laughin' Their sick, fuckin' ass off! Comcast a tight-ass! Comcast a SADIST! Subscribe that? NEVER!

Thank you devils advocate

JTRockville
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Rockville, MD
clubs:
·LINGO
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·surpasshosting
·Verizon FIOS

The shenanigans Comcast plays with caps is a big reason why I hope I always have an alternative to Comcast. Who wants to be on a network where a single person downloading at full speed can cause degradation for hundreds.

!!! THANK YOU FOR FIOS, VERIZON !!!
CLEVELTECH

join:2006-12-21
02107

Re: Just One More Reason I Won't Use Comcast

It just comes to show that this company's network CANNOT handle the network congestion and rather than this company buying new equipment, booting off people and risking alienating new customers is the norm to them. Sooner or later a federal suit is going to come.

dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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Phoenix, AZ

said by JTRockville See Profile :

The shenanigans Comcast plays with caps is a big reason why I hope I always have an alternative to Comcast. Who wants to be on a network where a single person downloading at full speed can cause degradation for hundreds.

!!! THANK YOU FOR FIOS, VERIZON !!!
JTR, how does it feel to be on the greener side of the fence? I'm in a qworst area so it'll always be brown and dead on my side of the fence.
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JTRockville
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Re: Just One More Reason I Won't Use Comcast

For years I thought I was on the brown side too - since I was not able to even get DSL. I thought Verizon was really lame. After all, it's not like this area is rural.

But now I feel really lucky. It doesn't get any greener than FiOS.
CLEVELTECH

join:2006-12-21
02107

The whole reason that this article is on here and this subject will continue to get spotlight is because the the more that content is available on the internet, this is only going to continue being a problem for Comcast. They have to either come forward and tell people what the cap limit is OR lose customers altogether. What I've learned about this whole Comcast affair is that this company doesn't want people who use the internet a lot for more than just email and occasional web surfing. They want an 70-year old grandmother not a 20 or 30-something adult that streams video or uses FTP applications like ICQ.
I don't understand why you Comcast supporters defend this company when their interests are not yours? Why do you have such a problem with them being honest to people? Why do you take the personal attacks? What is an acceptable GB usage to you? Why can't you give a clear answer instead of tippy-toeing on the subject?

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stella

@comcast.net
If they ever cap me i'll just dump comcrap for any flavor dsl.
at least you can d/led as mush as you want on dsl unlike comcrap
CLEVELTECH

join:2006-12-21
02107

Re: when caps comes just dump comcrap

I'd rather have a slower connection on DSL which everyone and usage is balanced out evenly. That's smart networking design right there. Comcast is using bad, outdated equipment, bad network design and the company is run by greedy executives who are cheap.
CLEVELTECH

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This Boston Globe article was reported because of another guy I know in UTAH who also had issue with Comcast and like me has stated many times that this is not an isolated incident. His town is bringing UTOPIA.net in and has also brought QWEST as competition against Comcast which they fought and lobbied very hard to keep out.
Now that competition is in his town, Comcast won't be the only ball player in the area and it's only a matter of time before they get kicked out which is going to happen thanks to him.

And as Comcast keeps kicking people off for this "fuzzy policy" there are an ever-growing angry customer base (like me) that will not be silent and continue talking so either they will have to give in and upgrade their network or face a federal judge that will rip their one-sided contract apart and allow former subscribers to sue them until blowhards like Brian Roberts realizes not to shit where he eats.
You can't keep paying off people to look the other way.

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b1gdr3
I Blame Your Mother

join:2001-07-28
Pittsburgh, PA
Comcast has the right to maintain their network the way they see fit. I, for one, hope they continue to crack down on the people that selfishly downgrade other users' capability.
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xiaobb

join:2005-12-21
Seattle, WA

I've just got a call from them last week telling me that I used too much. If they ever cut me, I will ask all my friends and family to switch to dsl.
I used to like them a lot, but this invisible cap is making me hate them so much. If you can't handle the traffic, don't claim it is unlimited.
Too bad Fios is not available here, otherwise I will make the switch immediately.
In Seattle there are not much to choose from. Anyone has any suggestions for alternative in Seattle area other than dsl?

b1gdr3
I Blame Your Mother

join:2001-07-28
Pittsburgh, PA

Re: they called me.

said by xiaobb See Profile :

don't claim it is unlimited.
They do not claim it is unlimited. And there's no ISP in business that will let you leech 24-7-365 nonstop at the residential charge.
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melonduck

join:2004-07-19
Atlanta, GA

Re: they called me.

I don't know what era you're living in.

But, in today's internet, you don't need to leech 24x7x365 nonstop to reach Comcast's "CAP"

And, that does not mean piracy. There are lots of legitimate ways of downloading big files/contents

stella

@comcast.net

said by b1gdr3 See Profile :

said by xiaobb See Profile :

don't claim it is unlimited.
They do not claim it is unlimited. And there's no ISP in business that will let you leech 24-7-365 nonstop at the residential charge.
Is using your Comcast connection @ advertised speeds for 4 hours a day considered abuse? why offer these fast speeds then when people actually use it Comcast claims network abuse? There network is crap to begin with. They offer the most expensive and the slowest speeds of all other major cable isp's in the U.S. along with they're horrid monthly cap. COMCRAP is such a ripoff
CLEVELTECH

join:2006-12-21
02107
If you already received the call from them, then they have already started the procedures to getting you thrown off their network. Believe me, they DON'T want you.

b1gdr3
I Blame Your Mother

join:2001-07-28
Pittsburgh, PA

from »www.comcast.net/terms/use.jsp

"You shall ensure that your use of the Service does not restrict, inhibit, interfere with, or degrade any other user's use of the Service, nor represent (in the sole judgment of Comcast) an overly large burden on the network. In addition, you shall ensure that your use of the Service does not restrict, inhibit, interfere with, disrupt, degrade, or impede Comcast's ability to deliver and provide the Service and monitor the Service, backbone, network nodes, and/or other network services. If your use of the Service results in the consumption of bandwidth in excess of the applicable limitations, that is a violation of this Policy. In such cases, Comcast may, in its sole discretion, terminate or suspend your Service account or request that you subscribe to a version of the Service with higher bandwidth usage limitations if you wish to continue to use the Service at higher bandwidth consumption levels."

People should read the ToS more. You can't just abuse the network and make your neighbor's connection suffer and think that because you bellyache and cry to the press, it's just going to be fine. Not only is Comcast right on this, they have the legal authority to do it.
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theelviscerator

join:2000-11-16
Elkhart, IN
is it possible to hit these caps while dling legal material?

I mean how much of this leeching is really illegal stuff you think?
CLEVELTECH

join:2006-12-21
02107

Re: Legal?

yep. it is and has happened to subscribers to have used the network much less and have gotten the warning.
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