  neonhomerKK4BFNPremium
join:2004-01-27
Edgewater, FL | Another fee... Great... another reason for Brighthouse to collect more money. Bad thing is the users who are on digital phone don't have an option to use their own equipment... Otherwise, I would gladly drag my Motorola SB out of the box... | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Another fee... said by neonhomer:Great... another reason for Brighthouse to collect more money. Bad thing is the users who are on digital phone don't have an option to use their own equipment... Otherwise, I would gladly drag my Motorola SB out of the box...
Yes they have an option. Don't get Brighthouse phone service. | |
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| Re: Another fee... POTS > VOIP
- POTS works come hell or high water, short of the CO being under water, or the physical infrastructure being destroyed.
- You can buy a POTS phone anywhere, for $10 or less.
- Equipment made over one hundred years ago will still work on a modern POTS line.
If you need a landline POTS is the way to go. If you don't want the reliability of POTS why have a landline at all? Go wireless and choose from one of the many unlimited plans currently available, most are priced competitively with the cable company's VOIP offering. | |
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| | | | | Re: Another fee... Wireless (at least prepaid) is typically cheap if you don't use your phone often.
POTS is getting harder to find in urban areas - FiOS markets and Uverse markets are pushing their VoIP versions | |
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| Have you checked to see if Motorola SVB or SVG series of cable/phone modems would work on your ISP system? Motorola has several cable models with phone service options. Might be worth checking out.
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| swbrains
join:2004-04-14
Wesley Chapel, FL | As much as I disagree with this fee and would prefer to own my own equipment, BH have calculated the increase wisely.
If it were a $10/month fee, many customers would bail and bring their own modem as the payback period would be quite short. But at $2/month vs. $100 for a DOCSIS 3.0 modem, the payback on the investment is over 4 years (assuming the fee remains the same during that period).
Given the lengthy break-even period, how can I be sure that my personally-owned DOCSIS 3.0 modem will still be usable for the service(s) I have subscribed to (or may switch to) until it's paid for itself?
And that's not considering the possibility of failure. I've certainly had enough routers that have not lasted more than 18 months. If my own modem dies after year or two, the ROI period becomes even longer...
Ultimately, for me, it just makes Fios (which is available at my house) a more competitive option. Particularly since my BH "promotion" expired last month and my bill went up by $10 even before the $2 modem fee.  | |
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| | BH & TWC Isn't BH still part of some how connected to TWC? At one time BH was TWC in a good share of Michigan until TW and & AOL merged. | |
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| | One less box of Fodge Rounds! While I am not happy about the fee I also think the benefits are worth it. I have gone thru 2 modems over the past 2 years due to lighting damage. There are also no retail MTA's for those who also have phone service.
The Motorola SURFboard SB5101U DOCSIS 2.0 Cable Modem sells for $52.99 at Amazon.com. »www.amazon.com/Motorola-SURFboar···02M3SHXA That means it will take me almost 27 months to pay for the modem and hope it does not get fried!
The way I see it I just have to buy one less box of Fudge Rounds »www.littledebbie.com/products/fu···unds.asp this month. 
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| | | Re: One less box of Fodge Rounds! Agreed. If you factor a DOCSIS 3.0 (Sb6141) at $100 on Amazon, it will take 33 months to break even.
If you've gone through 2 modems in 2 years, the $3/month is worth it right there.
Plus there is the "tech" advantage. Why buy a Docsis 2.0 if you are getting 3.0 service and speed packages, yes?
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|  FBGuyPremium
join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL | I've owned my own equipment for almost 10 years. never have had a modem get fried. Only time I have replaced it is going from docsis 1.1 to 2 to 3. | |
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| | | | Re: One less box of Fodge Rounds! Here in FL is a bit different. We get over 5000 lighting strikes in just the Orlando area during some of our storms. Central Florida is the lighting capital of the world!!!
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join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL | Re: One less box of Fodge Rounds! it probably also helps that I have buried coax. | |
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| | | | | | Re: One less box of Fodge Rounds! FBGuy...
I have roughly 50ft run in my back yard of buried RG11 (thick mama) cable. Buried cable in my case is also not a good thing as electric current from lighting travels on the surface...
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| | | | | | Re: One less box of Fodge Rounds! Crookshanks
I have a total of 5 UPS units at home. Need replaced about every 2 years... now that sucks. @ $75+ each I wish I had APC stock
2 for PC's
2 for TV centers...
1 for Fish tank
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| Re: One less box of Fodge Rounds! Hmm, not sure which model you're getting for $75, but maybe try one of the higher end ones? They are better for your gear anyways, the entry level models put out a step approximated sine-wave, which isn't a true AC waveform, and not appropriate for many pieces of equipment. In particular, I'd question if it's appropriate for your aquarium. It'd be fine for the heater(s) but probably not for the filter motors/air pump.
I have two server grade (smart-ups) models in my house, one that runs my PC/DSL modem/wireless gear, and another on our entertainment center. My communications setup receives nearly two hours of runtime, it's the primary reason why my PC has an uptime >one year, which certainly wouldn't be possible with the reliability of our electric grid around these parts!
07:30:11 up 467 days, 5 min, 21 users, load average: 0.02, 0.07, 0.11 | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: One less box of Fodge Rounds! Looked at the cost/ROI between APC 750es and cant remember which servergrade one. The cost was just not justifiable given the amount of units I have and the likelly to remote possibility of having to replace so often.
At present I have about 50 events per week between lighting, voltage fluctuation/spikes. Got so tired of events I shut off the stupid warning beeeeeeeps!
Prices is lower for me as I work for a major retailer
But thanks for the assist. It is knowledgeable ppl like you who keep me coming back to forums/DSLR rather than talk to tech support with most tech companies.
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| Re: One less box of Fodge Rounds! No worries. If you're going to use a consumer grade model I would plug your aquarium filter, air pump, and lighting into surge-only outlets. AC Motors won't handle the step approximated sine-wave well at all, and I'm pretty sure it's a bad thing for fluorescent ballasts too.
This website has a brief explanation, it's in the context of solar panel inverters but the same conclusions apply to UPS'es as well:
Some electronic devices may pick up inverter noise while operating with modified sine waveform. Using fluorescent lighting can be problematic when using modified sine wave inverters. Most of the equipment on the market is designed for use with sine waves. Some appliances, such as microwaves, drills, clocks or speed motors will not produce full output if they don't use sine wave current, moreover they may damage the equipment. Some loads, such as light dimmers will not work without sine wave at all.
It's safe to say any electronic device that requires sensitive calibration can only be used with pure sine wave inverters. For many electronic devices that don't require sensitive calibration, modified sine wave inverters are a more cost-effective option.
(I say theoretically because the power supply in your PC should isolate the motherboard/cpu/other components from inverter noise. It does increase the burden on the PSU though, and if you have one with temperature sensors you'll notice that the PSU temperature increases while on UPS power. If you're only on it long enough to shut down safely I wouldn't worry about it.) | |
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| | No Modem Fees & No Frills From what is being stated to myself and around the Internet, a new no-frills Internet company will soon be launching this month. Services include, xDSL, 4G LTE/WiMax Services, VoIP, and Cable reaching 99% of ALL cable customers. TV services in limited areas (WITHOUT price hikes) and IPTV launching in 2013 across the entire US - regardless of your ISP. This company also does NOT impose caps. | |
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|  AdamB
join:2001-01-07
Columbus, OH | Re: No Modem Fees & No Frills Wake up! I think you're dreaming. If not what is this company called? | |
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| | | | Re: No Modem Fees & No Frills I think you are dreaming on not realizing its possible. How do you think Earthlink offers cable access at wholesale rates, they go and actually worked to get access. TWC also has a number of other resellers such as www.wcoil.com | |
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join:2001-01-07
Columbus, OH | Re: No Modem Fees & No Frills Uh huh. How do you know about it when there is not a peep on the internets? If you aren't BSing, then I'll be one of the first to sign up. | |
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| | | | | | Re: No Modem Fees & No Frills I'm not BSing. I'm serious. The company is Ohio based, and is currently working with a huge CLEC/ILEC in Ohio to provide IPTV as well.
A website will be up this eveing I am being told. I will also post prices as well on here this evening. | |
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join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA Reviews:
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| Re: No Modem Fees & No Frills said by hottboiinnc:I'm not BSing. I'm serious. The company is Ohio based, and is currently working with a huge CLEC/ILEC in Ohio to provide IPTV as well.
A website will be up this eveing I am being told. I will also post prices as well on here this evening.
Where is this website? 
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join:2001-01-07
Columbus, OH | Re: No Modem Fees & No Frills I am also waiting. | |
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|  ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 | Yeah, Never NeverLand Cable? | |
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|  Cthen
join:2004-08-01
Detroit, MI
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| said by hottboiinnc:From what is being stated to myself and around the Internet, a new no-frills Internet company will soon be launching this month. Services include, xDSL, 4G LTE/WiMax Services, VoIP, and Cable reaching 99% of ALL cable customers. TV services in limited areas (WITHOUT price hikes) and IPTV launching in 2013 across the entire US - regardless of your ISP. This company also does NOT impose caps.
Got any sources of this or just the usual spit out some FUD and run?
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| | | | Re: No Modem Fees & No Frills It's not FUD and I don't run. I know what I'm talking about. Press Releases will be sent out tomorrow including one to DSLR. | |
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| | | | | Re: No Modem Fees & No Frills Not seeing said press releases yet. | |
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| | |  cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | said by hottboiinnc:It's not FUD and I don't run. I know what I'm talking about. Press Releases will be sent out tomorrow including one to DSLR. I realize that today won't be over for a few more hours, but not to many completely game changing press releases are launched after twilight. So where is it? We're waiting. | |
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| b10010011Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA Reviews:
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| said by hottboiinnc:From what is being stated to myself and around the Internet, a new no-frills Internet company will soon be launching this month. Services include, xDSL, 4G LTE/WiMax Services, VoIP, and Cable reaching 99% of ALL cable customers. TV services in limited areas (WITHOUT price hikes) and IPTV launching in 2013 across the entire US - regardless of your ISP. This company also does NOT impose caps.
LOL Dream on 
They are going to provide services over four different technologies?
Who's network? Who's infrastructure?
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| | | | Re: No Modem Fees & No Frills TWC, Comcast, Cox, Sprint, Verizon, Frontier, Charter and CentLink. customers can start signing up next week. | |
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| collusion people should start the letter writing & phone calls to congress... apparently cable companies are colluding to raise prices beyond what consumers can stand.. and this tend to happen when one company starts.. and others follow lock-step because they think they can get away with it..
it' the very definition of price collusion and not a REAL cost of doing business
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| | | Re: collusion Congress won't get in the middle. They're not in DC to police businesses and businesses will sue them until the US goes and barrows more money from China and RBS. | |
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| Re: collusion said by hottboiinnc:Congress won't get in the middle. They're not in DC to police businesses and businesses will sue them until the US goes and barrows more money from China and RBS.
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| BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | I guess Charter didn't get the memo since they recently dumped their $7 a month modem rental fee. | |
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sam64
join:2006-07-31
Newtown, PA | 88-yr old's analogy -- coming soon to a restaurant near you The 88 year old customer gave a fine analogy .... "It's like charging $2 to wash your dishes at a restaurant."
I soon expect many of the tech savvy fine dining establishments in this country imposing a $1 dishwashing and china/cutlery maintenance surcharge on every dish ordered.
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| BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: 88-yr old's analogy -- coming soon to a restaurant near you said by sam64:The 88 year old customer gave a fine analogy .... "It's like charging $2 to wash your dishes at a restaurant."
I soon expect many of the tech savvy fine dining establishments in this country imposing a $1 dishwashing and china/cutlery maintenance surcharge on every dish ordered.
I'm sorry but you take the dishes home at a restaurant? Nope. | |
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| |  tobyTroy Mcclure
join:2001-11-13
Seattle, WA | Re: 88-yr old's analogy -- coming soon to a restaurant near you Without the dishes, they wouldn't be able to sell you food.
The same for the modem, without a modem you can't get service.
Just raise the monthly rate, make it clear, simple, be honest. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: 88-yr old's analogy -- coming soon to a restaurant near you said by toby:Without the dishes, they wouldn't be able to sell you food.
The same for the modem, without a modem you can't get service.
Just raise the monthly rate, make it clear, simple, be honest.
Can you get in digital programming without a digital cable box for which you get charged a free and apparently don't have a issue with?? | |
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| said by toby:The same for the modem, without a modem you can't get service.
That's why my old dial-up ISP provided me with a free USR Courier.....
.... oh wait, they didn't.
It's nice when an ISP provides you with free CPE, but they are certainly under no obligation to do so. | |
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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY | Modem Picture The picture associated with this article is a Motorola SB5100, which I happen to have with Optimum. I notice it is not on the list of approved modems from Bright House.
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| cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | Re: Modem Picture said by n2jtx:The picture associated with this article is a Motorola SB5100, which I happen to have with Optimum. I notice it is not on the list of approved modems from Bright House.
The SBV5121 is which looks nearly identical (slightly different text around the LEDs). | |
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| | | Hmmm that looks exactly like my BH modem at home | |
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 Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
kudos:2 | One more reason to move to FiOS I suppose BH did this to compete with Verizon's $1.99 mystery fee.
BH did it better though. They used a bigger number than Verizon.
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| | Um TWC is charging 3.95 not 2.95 | |
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| | | Re: Um depends on your area and if your area is even doing it yet. I have family in Mid-Ohio that hasn't been notified yet. According to their offices in Columbus they're not charging. | |
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| elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | said by OSUGoose:TWC is charging 3.95 not 2.95
They're quoting $2.50 here. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Excuse me people how is this any different that paying a monthly fee on a STB? I don't see anyone complaining about that. | |
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | Non-issue Unlike Sonic, Charter and Frontier, BrightHouse is allowing you to own your own modem. Better they charge for remotes and modems and ATAs and STBs than raise access and programming rates. | |
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| Re: Non-issue so gas goes up, food goes up, employees salary goes up ( to cover everything else going up), service calls are free, benefits for employees goes up yet you guys complain every time the price raises a little.
Lets also keep in mind that BHN has very competitive rates as it is and provides extremely good customer service. | |
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| | | | Re: Non-issue I've had Bright House since 2003 and they have always charged this modem fee. | |
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| | elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | said by tim tim tim:so gas goes up, food goes up, employees salary goes up ( to cover everything else going up), service calls are free, benefits for employees goes up yet you guys complain every time the price raises a little.
No complaints here, so long as they're honest about it.
If they want to unbundle hardware from the monthly service, that's fine - so long as the charge is reasonable and/or they allow a buy-out.
If they want to raise rates, that's fine too.
But hiding behind a weasily "mandatory not-a-modem-rental fee" smacks of the worst of telcos past. | |
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| | | said by elray:Unlike Sonic, Charter and Frontier, BrightHouse is allowing you to own your own modem. Better they charge for remotes and modems and ATAs and STBs than raise access and programming rates.
Charter DOES allow you to keep your own modem if you want to jump through the hoops to do it. I just did it over last weekend through the Charter Direct forum.
At least $2.00 is a some what reasonable amount to charge for this. Some of the other ISP's are charging up to $7.95, which is totally ridiculous!
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