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Bright House: Verizon A 'Copycat' For No-Contract Pricing
Verizon admits long-term contracts, $360 ETFs 'a bit of a barrier'
by Karl Bode Thursday 03-Jun-2010 tags: prices · business · alternatives · bandwidth · consumers
We recently noted how Verizon had decided to offer new FiOS customers in Tampa no-contract bundles -- at the same pricing most existing long-term contract customers have been paying. Verizon tells us Florida is "one of the most competitive we face anywhere" and that they were considering ditching what's effectively a $20-$30 no contract penalty in other markets. Verizon's primary competitor in Tampa is Bright House Networks, who tells local news outlets that Verizon's simply copying the triple play, no-contract bundles cable operators have been using for years:

Joe Durkin, spokesman for Bright House Networks, said Verizon's pricing and contract adjustments are an attempt to copy what Bright House has always offered for consumers: monthly contracts without penalties. "At Bright House Network there's never been a requirement for a contract," Durkin said. "I see the phone company really just trying to copy the success and following what Bright House has traditionally done and that is never require a contract. What can't be duplicated is the commitment and culture of customer service excellence that is job No. 1 at Bright House."

It's interesting to see Verizon suddenly admitting clearly that long-term contracts (and that new $360 FiOS ETF) are a "a bit of a barrier" to customers who might switch over from cable. We're now curious if this change of heart will extend to other competitive markets -- like the markets surrounding New York City where Verizon competes with Cablevision?

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margaf77

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ETFs are just bad business

The ETf is such a stupid thing to impose on customers. Im a FIOS customer and ETF or not Im not going anywhere due to quality service, and if it sucked I would cancel and sue over the ETF. so all it does is create ill will.

I know many people who would love to get FIOS and havent due to the fear over the ETF.
hottboiinnc
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Re: ETFs are just bad business

and this is only going on in Tampa.. all of the other markets still have the ETF.
margaf77

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Re: ETFs are just bad business

Meh, mine is up in nov and Im locked in for price for a yr after that. If the ETF is still there Ill try cablevision again.
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Re: ETFs are just bad business

the price lock generally means still under a contract. id look to see the way that contract is worded. Especially when dealing with VZ and or ATT.
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Re: ETFs are just bad business

said by hottboiinnc:

the price lock generally means still under a contract. id look to see the way that contract is worded. Especially when dealing with VZ and or ATT.
No it doesnt in this case. It a 1 yr contract, 2 yr price lock.
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Re: ETFs are just bad business

and you believe them?
margaf77

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Re: ETFs are just bad business

I can read and it was clear as day when I signed up.

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said by margaf77:

The ETf is such a stupid thing to impose on customers. Im a FIOS customer and ETF or not Im not going anywhere due to quality service, and if it sucked I would cancel and sue over the ETF. so all it does is create ill will.

I know many people who would love to get FIOS and havent due to the fear over the ETF.
I'd love to have fios but haven't due to it not being available!
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margaf77

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Re: ETFs are just bad business

Believe me I know your pain. I was living in an area with TWC and had horrid service, and then moved somewhere with FIOS and I really think FIOS availability would determine where I would move next. I couldnt go back to cable.
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Re: ETFs are just bad business

said by margaf77:

I really think FIOS availability would determine where I would move next. I couldnt go back to cable.
For anyone thinking "yeah, right, nobody is foolish enough to let FIOS availability dictate where they live".... I will step in and second what margaf77 said. My wife and I have been looking to upgrade to a larger home while prices are still cheap, and have excluded a few neighborhoods from consideration after learning FIOS is not available there.

It's not the downstream speeds because you can get that with cable. It's the low latency and screaming uploads. Once you're used to uploading at 25 Mbps, it's hard to imagine going back to 20/2 or 40/5 cable. And this isn't for bittorrent. I'm talking about uploading family videos and huge work files (as a telecommuter).

I can upload a new software distribution CD to a server at work in about 5 minutes over FIOS, where it used to take about 2 hours over Road Runner. FIOS has changed the way I work, in a very positive way.
margaf77

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Re: ETFs are just bad business

Its good to know Im not completely nuts and the only person who feels this way.
tennisman94

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Point....

they copy you and do it better, not something I'd want to point out. I used to have bright house. It started to pixelate so bad that even some of the SD channels were unwatchable, plus the 6:00 internet slowdown was a pain.

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said by tennisman94:

they copy you and do it better, not something I'd want to point out. I used to have bright house. It started to pixelate so bad that even some of the SD channels were unwatchable, plus the 6:00 internet slowdown was a pain.
So nice of you to shill for Verizon (did you get that out of the Verizon talking points book by some chance?) but thats not the point of the original article now is it.

Karl and I agree on almost nothing but on this we do. If I were a Verizon customer in those other markets I would demand they immediately cease with the ETF's and if Verizon refuses maybe a nice lawsuit would get their attention (LOL fat chance - and yes I'm kidding).

ETF's are bad business and frankly offensive to customers most of whom don't appreciate being held hostage by any company ESPECIALLY when the service is bad (service defined as all things involving interaction with the company related to their product).
waiting4fios

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Re: Point....

If you have a problem with the ETF simply don't sign up for the service. I fail to see how you think you have the right to sue a company over an ETF. No one is forcing you to sign up with Verizon. If they see eliminating the ETF reaps great results in Florida, then I'm sure they'll trial it in other areas as well. It does cost Verizon a great deal more to install the service than it does for the cable companies, hence I can see the ETF as justifiable.

Maybe I should go sue the banks because I think interest rates are bad business and frankly offensive and I don't appreciate being held hostage by my mortgage company especially when I will have paid for my house 3 times over by the time I'm finished paying my mortgage.

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said by waiting4fios:

If you have a problem with the ETF simply don't sign up for the service. I fail to see how you think you have the right to sue a company over an ETF. No one is forcing you to sign up with Verizon. If they see eliminating the ETF reaps great results in Florida, then I'm sure they'll trial it in other areas as well. It does cost Verizon a great deal more to install the service than it does for the cable companies, hence I can see the ETF as justifiable.

Maybe I should go sue the banks because I think interest rates are bad business and frankly offensive and I don't appreciate being held hostage by my mortgage company especially when I will have paid for my house 3 times over by the time I'm finished paying my mortgage.
LOL! Bet it happens Don't take my suggestion too seriously...because it wasn't intended as such...
tennisman94

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It's a true story. Maybe bright house got better after the digital switch-over, but I had real problems with their service. As for the ETF, no one was really held hostage as Bright House routinely offered to pay it.

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said by tennisman94:

It's a true story. Maybe bright house got better after the digital switch-over, but I had real problems with their service. As for the ETF, no one was really held hostage as Bright House routinely offered to pay it.
No really, it's true...the point of the article is Verizon caves on ETF's in Florida market and is NOT an advertising forum for Verizon fanbois. You claim you had problems with your Bright House service...save it for a related topic instead of posting like a Verizon ad. If you have a point of view on ETF's by all means speak your mind but leave the rest out of it.
56687920

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Re: Point....

Notice how they attack the customer service and not the technology ? When is the last time a brighthouse customer called Verizon about service ? Never, so stop saying someone has bad customer service in order to make yourself look better. The fact is , the reason they dont attack the technology is because it is better. They wanna say they have been doing that for years, well they have had cable technology for years, since 1948 to be exact. Dont you think its time for new technology and service ? Facebook while watching TV, Twitter, NFL Network, NHL sports of all kinds, things I never had without Brighthouse. The reason Joe will never talk about Verizon's technology and attack it is because its better, keep watching what they say, and I almost guarantee they will never attack fiber to the house or all the features verizon give you for the same price.

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said by 56687920:

Notice how they attack the customer service and not the technology ? When is the last time a brighthouse customer called Verizon about service ? Never, so stop saying someone has bad customer service in order to make yourself look better. The fact is , the reason they dont attack the technology is because it is better. They wanna say they have been doing that for years, well they have had cable technology for years, since 1948 to be exact. Dont you think its time for new technology and service ? Facebook while watching TV, Twitter, NFL Network, NHL sports of all kinds, things I never had without Brighthouse. The reason Joe will never talk about Verizon's technology and attack it is because its better, keep watching what they say, and I almost guarantee they will never attack fiber to the house or all the features verizon give you for the same price.
Both platforms have benefits and drawbacks depending on what side of the river you call home. I'm not gonna go down that road in this thread because it is ETF's we're talking about and not the platform by which the product is delivered.
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Re: Point....

great response ispgeek, thats all that can be said about brighthouse's service, yawn... lol

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Re: Point....

Check your pm Boomer!
56687920

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Re: Point....

but you responded just nothing to say indefense, I have a unbiased view because I don't work there and am trying to defend people like you.

Competition means we all win, every consumer, it makes companies better in the long run, which means every consumer wins when there are choices. People just now have a choice, they can choose 1948 cable based technology, or fiber optics. This is only something people dreamed of just years ago. You can argue my points, but everything I say is true and everyone who knows me, knows I tell it for how it is. Brighthouse had a good product, it was...it was really great when there were telephone modems, we took a step up in technology and everyone jumped on. Now, its time for another leap, and eventually everyone will have fiber to their home and in there home at some point, it is coming whether brighthouse likes it or not, its not a personal thing, its a technology thing.

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said by 56687920:

but you responded just nothing to say indefense, I have a unbiased view because I don't work there and am trying to defend people like you.

Competition means we all win, every consumer, it makes companies better in the long run, which means every consumer wins when there are choices. People just now have a choice, they can choose 1948 cable based technology, or fiber optics. This is only something people dreamed of just years ago. You can argue my points, but everything I say is true and everyone who knows me, knows I tell it for how it is. Brighthouse had a good product, it was...it was really great when there were telephone modems, we took a step up in technology and everyone jumped on. Now, its time for another leap, and eventually everyone will have fiber to their home and in there home at some point, it is coming whether brighthouse likes it or not, its not a personal thing, its a technology thing.
The bottom line is Verizon failed to make a serious dent in the Florida market much in part to their horrible billing and customer service issues that are well documented at tbo.com and just about every other site you can think of. This was the only thing they had left to attempt to turn things around and gain subs in this area. Unfortunately for Verizon it's a too little too late situation. It's doubtful this will change things much at least in the Florida market. Only time will tell Dino. Now you can talk the Verizon talking points all you want but people are smarter than that. People know that Verizon has consistently been anti-competition for decades and they only attempted to shed the old spots for new when FiOS came into the picture. People are also smart enough to know when they are getting smoke blown up their arse...I have faith the customer will make the right decision despite Verizon's meager attempts at confusing them.
56687920

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Re: Point....

Every point I made above is true, you dont think consumers win when there is competition ? Some people seem to think so.

I don't take prozac, isnt that for depression or something ? Great way not to talk about the points I made above, great diversion by talking about mental health drugs. Another typical response from a Brighthouse employee, divert the conversation and avoid talking points, FIber to the home, Facebook, and cable has well.... startover....

What was that training class called, "Diversion from Verizon conversation tactics ?"

look up owned because you just got some...

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said by 56687920:

Every point I made above is true, you dont think consumers win when there is competition ? Some people seem to think so.

I don't take prozac, isnt that for depression or something ? Great way not to talk about the points I made above, great diversion by talking about mental health drugs. Another typical response from a Brighthouse employee, divert the conversation and avoid talking points, FIber to the home, Facebook, and cable has well.... startover....

What was that training class called, "Diversion from Verizon conversation tactics ?"

look up owned because you just got some...
Facebook....do we really need facebook on our TV? LOL!
56687920

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Re: Point....

intelligent... pointless...
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ETF's are bad business and frankly offensive to customers most of whom don't appreciate being held hostage by any company
Agreed. At $DAYJOB we don't have ETFs, but if someone cancels in the middle of a contract, we bill them for the difference of what they would have paid without the discounted contract price.

Say a particular service is $50/month on a 1 year committment, and $65 on MTM. If someone on a 1 year contract cancels after 3 months, we bill them $45-- the extra amount they would have paid had they been on MTM from the beginning. In other words, we retroactively remove the discount because they did not fulfill the contract term.

Really, that's fair. They get the discount if they stay for the whole term, yet are not locked in if they want to leave sooner.
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brighthouse or cablevision?

I always thought Verizon's battle with cablevision was pretty big.. but Verizon hasn't killed off their "no contract" pricing up here in NY metro.. so apparently not competitive enough, even with both companies having 50 - 100 megabit download tiers. Perhaps there is an element of duopolitis setting in at this so-called competitive market up here...
waiting4fios

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Re: brighthouse or cablevision?

Florida's market is more volatile than NY due to a lot more people move more frequently in Florida than in NY. Florida also has way more vacation homes than NY, so more people are reluctant to go into a contract if they know before hand they're not going to be around most of the time.
jandar1

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Re: brighthouse or cablevision?

Its only the Tampa market.

Verizon has no presence in Jacksonville, Orlando, or Miami (other than one small area)

AT&T owns the rest of the state (unfortunately).
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Re: brighthouse or cablevision?

said by jandar1:

Its only the Tampa market.

Verizon has no presence in Jacksonville, Orlando, or Miami (other than one small area)
Which other small area? I'm only aware of VZ having a presensce in the Tampa Bay region (including Sarasota).
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said by waiting4fios:

Florida's market is more volatile than NY due to a lot more people move more frequently in Florida than in NY. Florida also has way more vacation homes than NY, so more people are reluctant to go into a contract if they know before hand they're not going to be around most of the time.
It's very strange how Verizon ended up with markets in Texas & Florida anyway... Verizon is (primariily) a merger of Bell Atlantic (northeast) and GTE (West Coast) companies. Apparently, there are some important constituancies (read: political quid-quo-pro) which got "FIRST SAY" when the merger took place that Verizon would have to serve these southern geographies. Nearly all of the south, mid west and western regions (aside from the Verizon footprint) are now At&t, (and part Qwest).

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Just a ruse...

The whole thing is just a ruse to create a reason why Verizon should be allowed to obfuscate details like etf's in their contracts.
/sarcasm

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Re: Just a ruse...

Not available for Double Play.

In Tampa Bay right now:

Double Play without Contract = 94.99
Triple Play without Contract = 94.99

WEIRD.
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Re: Just a ruse...

without is subject to a price change with a 30day advance notice. 1 year contract is NOT subject to rate increases but does NOT stop them from adding or raising their taxes and "required fees"
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I'm one of the new Verizon converts

As of right now, I have both Brighthouse and Verizon TV going at the same time in my house Tarpon Springs, FL. I am a long-term Brighthouse customer who is fed up with the poor field service that BH has provided over the last several years. Now that Verizon has no contract penalty, I have jumped at the opportunity to evaluate both head-to-head. I can tell you that I planned on evaluating both for about 2 weeks and then making my decision on which one to keep. After 3 days, I was done. Verizon is the clear winner. No pixelizations, no sound stutters or freezes, NONE whatsoever. I had the opportunity to switch between the services with a click of the remote and could determine if the glitches were due to local service faults or upstream system ones (like from the networks). Now I know the truth. The BH techs said the problems were likely due to conditions beyond their control, but that is evidently not the case. Now, of course, local transmission faults are probably the problem here; but when I complained about them, I was told by BH that they would wait until other customers complained, even though I was at the end of the cable line in my area and would possibly be the only one experiencing issues. I would be glad to do any comparisons between the services for the next few days until I cancel. Just let me know what you want. I can tell you that there are things I like and hate about both: Hate the BH remotes because they are too dark and hard to see in dim light; hate the lack of star ratings for movies in the Verizon guide, hate the fact that the Verizon/Motorola DVR can record only 20 hrs HD versus the 35-40 hours that BH/Samsung can do, hate the BH recording conflict resolution process, etc.. Oh, and fyi, the cost is almost identical for the services.

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