 satellite68
join:2007-04-11 Louisville, KY
·Vonage
·Insight Communicat..
| ...wait for it Camp A Posters: Holy Socialist Agenda, Batman! The data will show the incumbent telcos and cablecos to be greedy, cherry picking, taxpayer shucking industrialists! The sky is falling!!
Camp B Posters: (whistling) Nothing to see here, move along, all is well, we've reached total saturation on deployment...
Neither perspective will be accurate, or correct, but will nonetheless get posted here anyways. | |
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 |   i5050MbSoon Formerly TwoKDialup Premium join:2002-06-07 Coloma, MI
| Re: ...wait for it said by satellite68 :<snip> Neither perspective will be accurate, or correct, but will nonetheless get posted here anyways. Please enlighten us with the correct perspective. -- Meet Bill and Karolyn at www.theslowskys.com | |
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join:2007-04-11 Louisville, KY
·Vonage
·Insight Communicat..
| Re: ...wait for it said by i5050MbSoon :said by satellite68 :<snip> Neither perspective will be accurate, or correct, but will nonetheless get posted here anyways. Please enlighten us with the correct perspective. Perhaps a "wink" or [sarcasm on] would have been appropriate...  | |
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| Re: ...wait for it said by satellite68 :Perhaps a "wink" or [sarcasm on] would have been appropriate... Ok, here's my take on this issue. You tell me if I've got it right.
The phone companies already have address availability databases. Make them turn their data over to the government, at no charge. Assess heavy penalties or even jail time for inaccurate data. Problem solved! -- Meet Bill and Karolyn at www.theslowskys.com | |
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join:2007-04-11 Louisville, KY
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| said by i5050MbSoon :said by satellite68 :Perhaps a "wink" or [sarcasm on] would have been appropriate... Ok, here's my take on this issue. You tell me if I've got it right. The phone companies already have address availability databases. Make them turn their data over to the government, at no charge. Assess heavy penalties or even jail time for inaccurate data. Problem solved! Well, unless the NSA asks for it, it ain't happening... | |
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join:2002-12-04 USA | Gosh, I like this... Do cable companies have this too? Or if it's available in one place in their system, it's available in all place? I mean, they should have this. Good idea! | |
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 |  jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04 USA
| This, I totally agree with... There is a balance between the two. I say, let "free market" do what it is supposed to do. Make them keep the promises of the past. For people in the "sticks", the government needs to eventually step up. They have elctricity and phone out there, they should also have reasonable internet. I think 3 MBPS down / 512KBPS up is the bare minimum even in the boonies. | |
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  Titus Pullo I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26 | Heh, half the House probably headed for the bathroom stalls upon hearing the words 'broadband penetration'. - | |
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 xenophon
join:2007-09-17 | EVDO already covers over 220 million Sprint/Verizon/Alltel already cover over 220 million population out of 300 with EVDO and will grow to 250m+ soon. They already have it mapped.
Should make it easier for the Feds to track what's left. | |
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  n2jtx
join:2001-01-13 Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online
| And Who Will Pay? "It will also authorize the issuing of grants to help bring service to under-served regions." And just where will that "grant" money come from? Oh I know. They will start taxing MY internet service and up my USF so they can give cheap service to those who do not have it. I just love socialism, especially when I get to pay the bills and not get any benefit. -- I support the right to keep and arm bears. | |
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 |  karlmarx
join:2006-09-18 Nashua, NH
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| Re: And Who Will Pay? Pay the bills and not get any benefit? WOW, that the kind of statement that fractures society. So by your reasoning, all the poor people should be left to die? I mean, you pay taxes to support your hospital, and they are providing FREE CARE. And in your world, why should we have an interstate highway system? I mean, YOU don't use it, so why should you have to pay for it? And the fire department? YOU haven't had a fire, so why should YOU have to pay for it.
The internet is a NECESSARY utility, if you want to be a productive member of society. The fact that someone choose to live in a 'rural' area shouldn't mean they are second class citizens. The internet is, and should be treated as, a utility. Which means that wherever you choose to live in the US, you should have access to it. It may not be cheap, but at least it should be avialable. -- Stick it to the MAN. Support your local torrent sites. Proudly providing 100mb of upstream for all your TV, Movie, and MP3 needs. | |
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join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL
·ViaTalk
| Re: And Who Will Pay? said by karlmarx : The internet is, and should be treated as, a utility. Which means that wherever you choose to live in the US, you should have access to it. It may not be cheap, but at least it should be avialable. It is available everywhere. It's called Netzero dial up. And it's cheap!
Or did you mean to say that everyone should have the same high speed internet? That would be more in keeping with your namesake's views.  | |
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join:2002-12-04 USA
| Re: And Who Will Pay? Everyone should have BROADBAND. Dialup is NOT good enough for today's needs. That's like saying you can have 20 amp service electricity in the country, while you have to have 100 or 200 amp service in the city. It doesn't fit the way all Americans live. | |
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join:2002-12-04 USA | This is spot on. Wow, you guys are all giving great points today! I've agree with something that everyone has written so far. | |
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 |  TheRogueX
join:2003-03-26 Springfield, MO
| Good.
I hope they tax your arrogance too, so you become poor and can't have internet anymore without help.
I just love free-market capitalism, especially how it turns people into greedy, arrogant bastards who treat the have-nots like they're subhuman and thus unworthy of a little help now and then. | |
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join:2002-12-04 USA | Re: And Who Will Pay? An oligopoly is NOT free market. There should be more independent choices available for free market to work. | |
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join:2002-12-04 USA
edit: October 31st, @06:51PM
| Maybe they should take the USF that has ALREADY been used and put it to something it was supposed to be used for... We've already been paying it. Where did this first 10 years of money go? Corporate profits? It certainly didn't raise the speeds to 40 mbps both ways! | |
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  S_engineer
join:2007-05-16 Chicago, IL
| This is garbage anyway In the past, they used the service providers own data to compile these ":broadband accessible area lists". These included 30000 ft from the COs for DSL and cable coverage that hadn't been deployed yet.
Shouldn't they not "fly blind" by verifying the coverage that we supposedly have now!
And for the top poster...you forgot C; the people that want to raise the USF (because thats what it would take)through the roof to get somebody in Lyndon Station Wis High speed internet so he can check his AOL email for his/her business! -- Where have the adults gone? | |
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  Neyland85
join:2003-02-04 North Augusta, SC | Again How do you measure broadband penetration if you can't define broadband?
Would Satallite broadband count? What about EDGE broadband? ISDN? Bonded 56k modems?
Does the word 'latency' show up anywhere? | |
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 |  jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04 USA
edit: October 31st, @06:51PM
| Re: Again None of these are broadband in today's world. I think latency should be put into the equation. Also, there needs to be a minimum speed. I propose 3Mbps/512kbps as the bare minimum. And, we should get some of that USF money back from the companies that didn't use it for its "intended" purposes. | |
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@pacbell.net
| The FCC currently defines broadband as anything above 200kbps. Recently, the Senate Commerce Committee approved a bill that will require the FCC to redefine the decade old definition. Now, we just wait until Congress passes. »Congress Realizes Broadband Data Sucks | |
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join:2002-12-04 USA | Re: Again 200kbps is NOT broadband and the FCC needs to fix that definition. We have to wait on the "nimble" government. Maybe if we call this terrorism and the government will then get right on that? | |
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  Richard B Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22 Portland, OR | We areFrom the Government and We are Here to Help Why do you need government to track brodband penetration.
Is it to justify anther taxpayer funded entitlement to solve a trumped up inequality? | |
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 |  Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26 North Andover, MA | Re: We areFrom the Government and We are Here to Help Because the government regulates the wireline duopoly's? It's tough to hold companies to promises (they offered) when the same companies hold all the information telling you weather they've done what they've said. | |
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 |  jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04 USA
| No, it's to make sure that the companies that promise things and get extra money from us follow through on their promises. We do NOT live in free market conditions regarding broadband, so there is NOT going to be a free market solution. It was similiar with phone and electricity. I don't like big government either, but they put their fingers in this crap a century ago. They're in it, and they need to do their jobs as well. | |
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