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Op/Ed: since when do paid incumbent lobbyists compromise?
(old news - 09:32AM Wednesday Sep 10 2008)
tags: competition · business · Op/Ed · Politics
If you're a regular around these parts, you've probably watched countless debates between those who believe government should play a core role in improving American broadband infrastructure and those who believe Uncle Sam Should butt out. It usually ends with sore feelings, tags like "socialist" or "corporate shill" being flung about randomly, and the debate failing to move even an inch forward. This debate gridlock is a major reason why the wealthiest country in the world has absolutely no broadband policy to speak of, and ranks fifteenth in broadband penetration and twenty-first in price paid per megabit (OECD).

"Just because you work for a large telecom company doesn't mean you're evil and just because you believe in municipal wireless networks doesn't mean you're a communist."
-ITIF
Yet Rob Atkinson, president of the Information Technology and Information Foundation (ITIF), has published a new whitepaper insisting that we can not only all get along, but make progress. "Just because you work for a large telecom company doesn't mean you're evil and just because you believe in municipal wireless networks doesn't mean you're a communist," Atkinson says to PC World. The white paper is an interesting read, and speaks loudly to the arguments and defenses used by partisans on both sides of the debate.

While Atkinson's central suggestion that partisans should be able to compromise is strong, the ceaseless debate over broadband policy isn't really as simple as liberals bickering with conservatives, because beliefs on tech policy frequently cross party lines. At a recent round table to discuss the issue, that was brought up rather quickly:
The debates over net neutrality and U.S. government broadband rollout are important ones, said Harold Feld, senior vice president of the Media Access Project. The people leading the debates don't fit into convenient "right" and "left" labels..."We're in a genuine ideological debate, which is a good thing to have," Feld said. "Robust debate is not a bad thing."
The suggestion that this is simply a case of partisan fisticuffs also ignores the fact that the telecom lobbyists or policy gurus who dominate the discussion are paid to have unwavering opinions, and will never compromise or reach a middle ground on any issue. They aren't paid to compromise. They're paid to win. And, if you've paid attention to FCC decisions, they usually do. Argument gridlock and a lack of a national broadband policy of any kind is a lobbyist victory. It means no progressive policies will be implemented that could hurt incumbent revenue.

A lack of progress on the broadband policy front isn't because people are engaged in healthy debate over our broadband future, it's because incumbent operators have the American government wrapped around their finger. You would think this is something that people on both sides of the aisle could agree needs fixing.

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Matt
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Middle Ground

I think the solution is somewhere in the middle ground. The government should require certain speed/deployment guidelines to be met and then provide incentives for rural deployment because companies do need to turn a profit. Unlike the USF though, there needs to be oversight.

The problem is that too many people think everything is black and white, they can't see gray areas.
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satellite68

join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY

Therein lies the rub

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A lack of progress on the broadband policy front isn't because people are engaged in healthy debate over our broadband future, it's because incumbent operators have the American government wrapped around their finger. You would think that this is something that people on both sides of the aisle could agree needs fixing.
Apparently not, as our government continues its "Do as I say, not as I do" policies of intervention. To wit:

Frannie Mae/Frannie Mac
Bear Stearns

Both of these qualify as the biggest government financial interventions in history. You can't have your cake and eat it too. "Smaller" government?

Those who would want the government to play a core role in broadband infrastructure are almost always labelled socialists for this opinion. How, in the name of sweet Jesus, is meddling in the financial markets NOT similar to government intervention in other areas (say, broadband for instance)?

I'm not advocating government programs for everything, mind you-but the chest thumping rhetoric regarding a national broadband policy (for starters) appears disingenuous to me.
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Re: Therein lies the rub

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How, in the name of sweet Jesus, is meddling in the financial markets NOT similar to government intervention in other areas (say, broadband for instance)?
Meddling in financial markets IS similar, but much worse for our long term stability. There is no incentive for these institutions to behave if they know they are "too big to allow to fail" This mindset leads to more and bigger bailouts as well as bailouts of corporations that should not be saved because of irresponsibility or because they are simply unable to compete in the global market (see: U.S. automakers) These bailouts may relieve some short term pain, but the pain will have to come one day when we are unable to borrow any more to prop up our lifestyle. When that day comes, broadband will be the least of our worries.

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Karl makes the key point...

The assumption that debate gridlock hurts both sides is not true. Debate gridlock works to the advantage of the incumbents. This is why it will continue. Both sides would compromise if gridlock was hurting both sides. Debate gridlock also doesn't mean that the incumbents are not effectively driving policy to their advantage while we are endlessly, but pointlessly, arguing with them.

Things like the call for net neutrality rules weren't a starting position. They were a response to the overwhelming success of the incumbents in maintaining their policy dominance.
nasadude

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Rockville, MD
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Karl is right

Karl is right when he says the incumbents and their lobbyists are playing to win.

they are not interested in the welfare of either consumers or the U.S. - they are interested in making as much money as possible, period. They will fight tooth and nail to prevent any regulation (or lack thereof) that reduces the amount of money they make or forces them to spend more money than they desire.

the only way broadband in this country will get better is if there is real competition; the only way we will get real competition is if the government steps in to make it happen.

otherwise, we will continue to see slow rollouts of advanced services (fiber, VDSL, doscis 3.0), slowly increasing speeds and increasing prices.

LiamJunket
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Re: Karl is right

said by nasadude See Profile :

the only way broadband in this country will get better is if there is real competition; the only way we will get real competition is if the government steps in to make it happen.
Yes to "competition is the key." And NO to the suggestion that government must make it happen. Government intervention won't make competition happen. All it will do is add another layer of cost with bureaucrats siphoning off their percentage of the action. And maybe switching the advantage to someone other than than current dominant players.
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Re: Karl is right

You know, but choose to ignore as usual, that REAL broadband competition will never happen in the current environment.
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said by LiamJunket See Profile :

And NO to the suggestion that government must make it happen.
Nonsense. Government always is essential to making it happen. Government provides a monetary system, so that value can be easily exchanged. Government enforces the rule of law (or is supposed to), so that contracts can be enforced (which makes entities willing to enter into contracts in the first place). Government controls access to resources owned by the American people that are needed by businesses (e.g., radio spectrum). In short, government sets the ground rules and provides the playing field and the tools in which competition takes place. It can do it badly, or do it well.

Now, as some have argued here, perhaps broadband isn't really very important. It's useful to provide access to porn, to allow college students to steal music, and not much else. It's not much more than a frivolous luxury. If that's the case, then BB policy isn't very important. If the only criteria used to set the rules is that which maximizes value to ISP shareholders, fine.

However, U.S. government policy, as defined by Congress in the 1996 Telecomm Act, says something different. Broadband is considered such a driver of growth and so imprtant to citizens, that it is U.S. policy that it made available to all, in a timely manner and at reasonable cost. Specifically, the FCC was tasked with seeing to it that this happens, and with tweaking the playing field to deal with any instances where market failure prevents that goal from being acheived for certain portions of the citizenry.
Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

So tell us, who is going to make that happen? Over the last 100 years for telecom and a few decades for cable why has that not already happened?

Oh that's right... because we are dealing with a "resource" that is monopolistic by nature and that at best has a duopoly in major cities. The incumbents have had control of the transport for decades. They have control of regulation for the most part and are dominant in a field that is impossible for someone to enter into and truly compete with them.

Besides that I as a property owner have absolutely no desire to have multiple "carriers" come in and tear up my yard or string dozens of lines everytime they need to get their services to me or one of my neighbors. There should be one nationwide network, PERIOD. Everyone else should simply be service providers and that includes AT&T and Comcast if that is what they want.

huntml

join:2002-01-23
Mullica Hill, NJ
OK. So what is *your* suggesting for fostering competition in the telecom industries?

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said by huntml See Profile :

OK. So what is *your* suggesting for fostering competition in the telecom industries?
1st of all, I think we have competition now in most areas.

2nd, give smaller players a holiday from regulations, especially by state and local governments. No build out requirements; no reporting requirements; no extra taxes like USF, local sales taxes, etc until a company reaches a certain size.

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Re: Karl is right

said by LiamJunket See Profile :

said by huntml See Profile :

OK. So what is *your* suggesting for fostering competition in the telecom industries?
1st of all, I think we have competition now in most areas.

2nd, give smaller players a holiday from regulations, especially by state and local governments. No build out requirements; no reporting requirements; no extra taxes like USF, local sales taxes, etc until a company reaches a certain size.

1. Certainly arguable.

2. Not a bad idea, but certainly to be lobbied hard against by the incumbents.

What happened to 3-5, TK? These were some very interesting ideas, and I was in the middle of replying to tell you I thought so when they evaporated.

Too far off the party line, maybe? Some of the things you proposed were things I think would help, but they aren't the kind of things I've ever seen put forward by the GOP. Restriction of localities' ability to refuse to allow easements? Patent reform? Really, TK.

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said by LiamJunket See Profile :

1st of all, I think we have competition now in most areas.
Please say more about this competition that we have in most areas.
spade

join:2003-08-09
Fresno, CA
when was the last time government helped a business it wasn't heavily involved in? altruistically?

guess i missed that one..
DMNTD

join:2002-10-19
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Bunch of whiners...

TK is right..face it, government is ALREADY inserted too far into our rectums...DEAL with that.

Second, PEOPLE are..wait..again...PEOPLE are supposed to decide how a "thing" effects them not random people the children never had a real chance to decide if they should control the life they live or not.

Face it its failing you and your on the tit still. Bottom line, I'm in the boat but I am not agreeing with the idea of government deciding where this will go. What I am saying is bite the bullet and decide if you want to pay for internet or not. Not black and white..HA, its yes or no..so it is.

P>S> IF you have built some kind of life off the internet then I guess you should have had better instincts.

huntml

join:2002-01-23
Mullica Hill, NJ

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Re: Bunch of whiners...

Can you please rephrase? From what I can make of it, it displays an appalling ignorance of history, but the phrasing is so...odd...that I am not certain that I am reading you correctly.
rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
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Why not better regulated?

Consumers want competition but can we/should we consider a duopoly as competition? If not, should we then treat broadband as a utility and regulate it?

Currently I don't even have a duopoly. I have cable HSI and no DSL/FTTH alternative. My subdivision is practically at the center of my metro-area's population and 20,000 feet from the CO. AT&T has not chosen to invest in this area (yet) even though my community has been heralded as having "U-Verse" (if you are close enough to the CO).

Even if AT&T invested, would I experience a true competitive environment? I tend to think that it would still not be competitive and some form of oversight should be engaged.

I certainly don't like BIG government but neither party stands for small government and when there is a monopoly (as is the case in my subdivision), there should be regulation.

I also believe we need to define what Internet access is. I understand that it may not work as an all-you-can-eat "buffet" and still have reasonable prices. However, I would rather then have a clear definition of service and honest costs rather than $3.99 all-you-can-eat where the selection of food slowly gets smaller and smaller until one day you find mashed potatoes as the only option.

Anon Buddhist

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Telco lobbyists make divorce attorneys look like Buddhist monks.

Speaking of karmic forces, I find solace in the knowledge that the "good" lobbyists will be reincarnated as dung beetles and that telco lobbyists will be reincarnated as the dung...

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Build a Nationwide Fiber network

1. Run fiber on every telephone pole in America which will be maintained by a non-profit group.

2. You call up the ISP of your choice and they drop a line from the pole to your house.

3. You pay $20 for the fiber on the pole and another $15 to the ISP. Total $35.00 a month.

This makes to much sense though so it will never occur.
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jkarras

join:2002-08-31
Ogden, UT

Re: Build a Nationwide Fiber network

A few cities in Utah are trying to do this. Its been fought by Qwest on many fronts. The project also had some bad management in the beginning. But things are looking up now.

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