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| Told you so The Times also notes that while network neutrality language is tied to the $9 billion in grants, the tax credits come with no such restrictions. Ha. | |
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GOLFnSUN
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| Re: Told you so said by major marco  :The Times also notes that while network neutrality language is tied to the $9 billion in grants, the tax credits come with no such restrictions. Ha. The Senate and House bills differ. When this goes to a House/Senate conference committee to hash out differences, who knows what will still remain in the final bill. It ain't over til the fat lady sings.
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SLD
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2 edits | Re: Told you so Its been over for the past 6 years, and Obama isn't going to change anything. I wish I was wrong, but every law that gets signed leaves the people with their pants around their ankles regardless how much hemming and hawing the puffy faces do beforehand. | |
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join:2002-04-10
| Re: Told you so Bush, Obama, etc are politicians. You actually put stock in what they say? Thats cute. Both suck. One side more so than the other with their ignorance and bigotry. However, both parties are absolutely useless. Obama could look me in the eye and promise me the sun, moon, and the starts. I wouldn't believe the first word out of his mouth. Maybe he does think he can make a difference. However, even if he was the best man in the world (which once again I doubt), he has lobbyists with big pockets to corrupt bills. Like any good politician, he will just tout the positives, and ignore the pork stuck into them. Legislation today is never clear cut. There are always tons of riders / addendums on ever bill these days. A bill that increases education might also:
Give money tot he NRA
Give money to faith based
Build 10 zoos
Pave roads
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With lobbyists hard at work buying our Democracy, few bills (if any) stay within their original intent. The U.S. is far from a democracy. We might "elect" our officials, but lobbyists are the ones who end up having the final say on the laws. The deeper their pockets, the more of them you get to write. Hence, we should be electing them, over the people who smile at us during campaigning season, and promise us everything and give nothing.
So will we see 100/20 universally any time soon? Doubtful. Matter of fact, we shouldn't be given PRIVATE COMPANIES a single penny. Hence the term private. I don't own them. I shouldn't be footing the bill for bad management. This 700 billion and 800 billion should be going STRAIGHT TO OUR POCKETS. IE ab out 10,000 dollars per person. 150 million working and 1.5 trillion total. You want to boost our economy. Give it to people who are going to pay bills and hoard the rest. IE there you go banks, here's an injection of money as people toss it into their savings.
Anyway, AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE US to be a wired nation (like sweden, japan, korea), our government is NOT SMART ENOUGH to see the money is used properly that it hands out. Rather than wasted on empty promises, just give it back to us.
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | FTTH Hopefully it will encourage a lot of providers, both cable and telco to deploy FTTH.
I don't think it will be reality though, but we will see.
Hey, who knows it might just get Embarq off their butt here. | |
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join:2002-03-01
Irving, TX
| Re: FTTH Just because they "planned to do" upgrades doesn't mean they would have. Surprising from this site sine there is so much talk about cherry picking. In this economy, plans mean squat. Wasn't there a story just the other day about AT&T slowing down their U-Verse roll out.
The title was probably more to get the chickens clucking than anything else since Verizon is a regional provider and the stimulus is national. That's the whole point of a stimulus, to give companies the incentive to upgrade and/or expand. Given the number of people on this site who want their providers to upgrade service in their area, I don't see why this would be a negative. If cable companies upgrade their service , even better. Competition benefits the consumer. | |
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Sussex, NJ | Re: FTTH huh? How does that relate to my post? | |
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join:2001-10-05
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2 edits | money that goes to ANY of the large, incumbent providers will be wasted.
maybe not totally wasted, depends on what the penalties will be for noncompliance with requirements - if there are any.
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Mr. Hodulik, however, said that the tax credits might well encourage the company to accelerate its plans and run FiOS past more homes over the next two years.
what if the credits don't encourage them? money WASTED
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The current economic slowdown is beginning to hurt telecom equipment makers, and their prospects aren’t likely to change much in 2009, as indicated by the spending plans outlined by some of the major service providers.
For instance, AT&T said that it will cut its capex spend by 10-15 percent, or about $3 billion, and moderate its U-verse expansion plans. Verizon hasn’t been quite as blunt about its plans, but analysts expect the company to tighten its belt as well, and its suppliers are already starting to feel the hurt.
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR | Fine with me... If a 10% tax credit gooses Verizon into agreeing to sell DSL in my neighborhood, that's fine with me ... | |
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Bronx, NY | High speed Does this mean we'll finally be able to compete with South Korea and Japan.
I would love to have 50/50 or 100/100 for what i'm paying with cablevision right now. 30/5 So I can't really complain | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | Re: High speed No forums? That's rather odd...
As to the hosting ban, just get biz-class service. On FiOS it's 90 more for 50/20 but that includes a static IP. Price per megabit? Cheap, especially for downloads. | |
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Sussex, NJ | Re: High speed Yeah, popular forums are typically bandwidth hogs. | |
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| Re: High speed Most low-end servers only have a 10 Mbps port...still...100 Mbps is very average, particularly for web hosts. As to regular hosting and virtual private servers, I have both. The forum in question actually is on ZetaBoards, a free ad-supported (I have ad removal so I can put my own ads on there) service just for forums.
As to Woot, last I checked their servers aren't all via Amazon, though image serving was. May have changed since then though.
But for some people, having an unfettered broadband connection, and incredibly easy access to their server, if worth the heat, noise, etc. of hosting it in-house. | |
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Sussex, NJ | Re: High speed Most servers come with gige ports standard now or at least the servers I've bought over the last year or so.
And yes woot is all on EC2. The images are on s3. They use Rightscale as well. | |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO | DOCSIS and Fiber Unfortunately for cable providers, they'll have to do upstream channel bonding and 4-channel downstream bonding to get to 100/20 speeds. Verizon on the other hand can use existing GPON infrastructure. Epic fiber win. | |
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DrModem
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USA | Re: DOCSIS and Fiber Well that's the CableCos fault for being slow, greedy and stupid isn't it? | |
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| Re: DOCSIS and Fiber said by DrModem :Well that's the CableCos fault for being slow, greedy and stupid isn't it? You have the argument backward. Cablecos (mostly) are years ahead of telcos. If cable wanted to go all fiber, it would just be home to node runs. Most if not all of the cablecos are entirely fiber, except to the residents. Notice how easily cables offered phone, and look how hard it is for telcos to offer tv.
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North Andover, MA | Re: DOCSIS and Fiber I'd imagine almost none of the population use enough bandwidth to warrant a 50mb connection, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH. | |
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Sussex, NJ | Wow, I see the fibre fanboi's are quick on the draw. | |
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Golden, CO | Re: DOCSIS and Fiber They'll upgrade you when they smell money. Plus, it's still better than 8/4 channel-bonded DOCSIS. | |
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| BPON which is 622 Mbps download split among 16 or possibly 32 users still isn't bad (the full bandwidth is being delivered to each customer and theoretically could be used if allowed using statistical multiplexing). It's what I have now (only 20/5), but look forward to upgrades someday. | |
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| said by Eat Me :Wow, I see the fibre fanboi's are quick on the draw. The funniest part is aside from the speed differences, fiber is just the same as cable from an end user perspective. Perhaps I'm in a good area for cable, but aside from the upstream speed advantage my fiber has, I doubt I could tell you which was which if you placed them side-by-side and let me browse the web. | |
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Eat Me
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Sussex, NJ | Re: DOCSIS and Fiber I can tell you for a fact that in some countries cable is marketed as a "fiber" connection.
At work I have a 100/100 connection and at home I have 30/2. I honestly can't really tell the difference when surfing either. | |
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| Re: DOCSIS and Fiber Depends what your pipe to the net really is.
I have gig ethernet right to the internet and I can see a major difference in speeds. I can pull in iso's from most major companies even linux distros at over 20 MB a sec. nothing like clicking and within 30 seconds having the iso ready to burn.
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Winchester, VA | Yes you may see no difference when simply browsing but in my world, pings are different and there is no such thing as
having my connection throttled in fios when i upload a folder of photos to an off site webpage. | |
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Eat Me
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Sussex, NJ | Re: DOCSIS and Fiber PIng time is not a problem:
I'm also not throttled any time of day or night. | |
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY | hmm question would cablevision get any of this money? Are any parts of there service area considered rural?
i can see cablevision easily offering a say 100/20 tier for $100 once they complete their docsis 3 trials | |
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Sussex, NJ | Re: hmm Good question. I have a friend who lives in Hewitt and it's out in the sticks and he has cablevision/OOL. | |
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Jamaica, NY
| Re: hmm said by pende_tim :That, my friend, will be the $9 Billion dollar question: "Who is Rural? and undeserved?" Tim It doesn't matter, no enforcement actions exist in law to determine whether it was spent on rural and underserved areas or not, courtesy of the OMB. | |
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| I will be happy to get any Broadband what so ever. I live in ohio, I live less than 3 miles from the center of a larger town, and cant even get decent telephone service from verizon, let alone broadband. I dont live in town, but I certainly dont live in the boondocks either..
I used to live 30 mins from the closest town with more than 5000 people, and in mountainous area and had broadband via AT&T..
as far as I am concerned Verizon is the Devil  0 Customer support.. crappy service, uneducated service techs, the list goes on and on ..
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CaptainRR
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Blue Rock, OH
| Re: I will be happy to get any Broadband what so ever. Your not alone and you must have been in the right place to get AT&T broadband in the past out in the boondocks. I have AT&T out in the boondocks of Ohio and I pretty much only have a telephone. I wouldnt count Verizon as being a devil AT&T in most rural places isnt much better. | |
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| Good for them I hope verizon does get a lot of the tax credits. At least they are already spending the capital and getting fiber to the people. Everyone else is lagging behind.
Hopefully this will speed up docsis 3 deployment as suggested, because charters new 60mb is my only chance at anything really high speed around here. | |
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cableman0327
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Westminster, MD | Fios Sucks Wastful spending on a Hummer!!!! | |
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Winchester, VA | Re: Fios Sucks Nice try cable boy. I live in your world work in the other.
I KNOW what I Can't have. And if this would encourage the company I work for to give me the service I see every day of my life, I'll drop you like a hot potato. | |
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CylonRed
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| Of course the stimulus is needed becuase of the extra cash.. broadband created for the economy.... or does it!?!?!?
»tech.yahoo.com/news/nm/20090130/···d_jobs_2
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A co-author of a widely cited forecast that nearly 300,000 U.S. jobs would be created for every percentage point rise in high-speed Internet use said on Friday these and similar estimates are "a gross overestimate."
"There is a great deal of overstatement in most of these studies," said Robert Crandall, a Brookings Institution economist and co-author of the frequently-cited paper with that estimate.
U.S. lawmakers are proposing grants between $6 billion to $9 billion and tax credits to encourage investment in high- speed Internet, as part of an economic stimulus plan winding its way through Congress costing up to $900 billion.
The 300,000 jobs estimate has been used in newspapers and cited by other publications advocating investment in high-speed Internet, or broadband.
The Brookings Institution study, published in July 2007, is not particularly relevant now because of differing employment and related migration trends at the time of the study, Crandall said.
Attempting to extrapolate it nationwide at this time is a "gross overstatement," he said.
Most the data on jobs and broadband is not relevant because it doesn't apply to underserved, mostly rural and high cost areas targeted in the stimulus package, said Shane Greenstein, a professor at Northwestern University's Kellogg School of Management.
"The experience of Manhattan in 2005 has no relationship to the experience in West Texas," Greenstein said.
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Jamaica, NY | wait till the lawyers get this How long before Verizon sues that the requirements for the money are unconstitutional and they get the money for free? | |
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@verizon.net | "...billions for doing nothing differently" Is that a criticism of the Senate for another "ineffective" piece of legislation? or praise for Verizon for already doing "the right thing"? ...both?
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Tandeddu
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| Rural Areas... Please help me understand:
$9B for broadband to rural areas and Verizon FIOS?
I think Verizon and the cable companies will all go thru multiple cost benefit analysis before deciding to whether run fiber out to "rural" areas. Let's face it alot of the areas that aren''t covered at this point are remote and can go quite a distance between homes. Enough of a distance that there may not be a return on investment even with a large government subsidy. It's not just the initial capital outlay to run the connection... it's the on-going support. | |
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join:2005-12-22
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1 edit | said by Tandeddu :
Please help me understand:
$9B for broadband to rural areas and Verizon FIOS?
I think Verizon and the cable companies will all go thru multiple cost benefit analysis before deciding to whether run fiber out to "rural" areas. Let's face it alot of the areas that aren''t covered at this point are remote and can go quite a distance between homes. Enough of a distance that there may not be a return on investment even with a large government subsidy. It's not just the initial capital outlay to run the connection... it's the on-going support.
Yes there will be cost benefit analysis and this may very well tip some of the areas that Verizon was considering selling off into the FiOS column. Remember that Verizon's landlines are primarily in the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic regions and fiber actually reduces on-going support costs. $1.6 Billion in tax credits is money that Verizon could and probably would (why would the long-term shareholders complain?) use for FiOS expansion. | |
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join:2004-09-10
Bronx, NY
1 edit | Amazing!! Woldn't be cheaper to move rural people to the city?. Who needs internet in a farm?. Give me a brake!. Take that freaking money an help people stay in their homes and feed their children. The idea is very noble but not in tough times. It is just another politics as usual BS. | |
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| Who needs the internet on a farm?? I happen to live and work on a farm and we have always attempted to have the best internet connection, from dial-up, to Satellite and now to EVDO. You suggest that we dont "deserve" this connection because we live in a rural area. We rely on the internet for accurate and current weather information/radar, to monitor the ever-increasing volatile commodity markets, to place and sell farm produce and merchandise, and to stream information from remote pivot's and tractors to monitor their operation. I would say we "deserve" an internet connection more so than a suburban neighborhood where the vast majority of bandwidth is used to stream movies, download music and other forms of entertainment... And I realize that it isnt "fair" to subsidize the rural areas but what people fail to remember is that alot of metropolitan areas were once rural. The increase in services such as electricity, tv, roads, and yes even broadband can foster the growth of a rural area into an urban one. | |
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