Broadband Stimulus Bill Gets Smaller $1.5 billion less in funding, tax credit language redefined... As the broadband stimulus bill stumbles through Senate revisions, the New York Times reports that a number of changes have been made to the bill, not least of which is a reduction of spending on broadband -- from $9 billion to $7.5 billion. Tax credit stimulus language that could have given Verizon $1.6 billion in tax credits for doing nothing differently (deploying "next gen" service to already served areas). Tax credits for low income areas have also been cut (Verizon's deals with NYC, Philly & DC require even coverage anyway). The new plan would only offer credits for broadband service to rural areas and places that have no high-speed Internet access at all. The credit would be 40 percent for service that is 100 megabits per second or better and 30 percent for slower service that is at least 5 megabits per second. The Times notes that the cable industry is trying to get the definition of "next generation" broadband reduced from 100Mbps to 50Mbps, since that's what many of them already planned to offer. Differences between the House (which offers $6 billion in funding but no tax credits) and the Senate version now need to be hashed over in committee. The Obama camp insists that this initial flood of cash is only the first step in what will be a significant effort to shore up this nation's broadband coverage and competitive shortcomings.
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While this is good news, it will be even better if this entire pork bill that we can't pay for dies. Sadly, it won't. -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
|  |  | | Re: Hope It Goes To Zero said by pnh102:While this is good news, it will be even better if this entire pork bill that we can't pay for dies. Sadly, it won't. amen
this entire bill is pork. there's less than 20% of the money being used THIS YEAR, and still like 80 billiob not being used within 4 YEARS. how is that stimulus?
whole concept of this bill is of false pretense. | |
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 1 edit | Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? Their rhetoric is that they like small government the truth is that they are GREEDY!!!
They do not think they should have to pay for anything.
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|  |  tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM join:2008-01-16 Chandler, AZ | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by GoBG:They do not think they should have to pay for anything even though someone else has already paid for what they have. fixed it for you...
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|  |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | said by GoBG:Their rhetoric is that they like small government the truth is that they are GREEDY!!! They do not think they should have to pay for anything. If it makes you happier, the Democrat party raised cigarette taxes to help pay for healthcare for "poor children" under the age of 25 in families making up to $80k a year.
So start smoking to help save the USA. -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
|  |  |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC kudos:12 | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by pnh102:said by GoBG:Their rhetoric is that they like small government the truth is that they are GREEDY!!! They do not think they should have to pay for anything. If it makes you happier, the Democrat party raised cigarette taxes to help pay for healthcare for "poor children" under the age of 25 in families making up to $80k a year. So start smoking to help save the USA. I don't believe for one second you're too dense to see the two-fold benefit that provides. | |
|  |  |  |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by Matt:I don't believe for one second you're too dense to see the two-fold benefit that provides. I all honesty, I don't.
A family that makes 80k a year (heck, even less, I know because I am the head of one such family) can and should pay for its own damn health insurance.
Someone who is 25 years old, why shouldn't such a person pay for his/her own health insurance, either through work or privately?
I already have one kid I have to support, why should I support 25 year old "children" who I didn't even go through the fun of making? -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
|  |  |  |  |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC kudos:12 | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by pnh102:said by Matt:I don't believe for one second you're too dense to see the two-fold benefit that provides. I all honesty, I don't. A family that makes 80k a year (heck, even less, I know because I am the head of one such family) can and should pay for its own damn health insurance. Someone who is 25 years old, why shouldn't such a person pay for his/her own health insurance, either through work or privately? I already have one kid I have to support, why should I support 25 year old "children" who I didn't even go through the fun of making? Well, I make more than that and I do pay for my own health insurance. I get bent over for absolutely crappy coverage from Blue Cross Blue Shield. I have the privilege of paying over $100/month for coverage with a $2700 deductible, and that's just for me -- a healthy 31 year old white male. If I want to drop that lower so my money isn't wasted, the price more than doubles just to get to a $1500 deductible. I don't think you realize how terrible health insurance is if you don't have a huge company to negotiate better rates for you.
Luckily my daughter is covered under state program, otherwise I'd have to drop an additional $300+ a month to cover her too and she'd be subject to the same ridiculous limitations and deductibles I am, which means I'd have to pay for all her health care out of pocket.
So while you may not understand why such a program exists, I am perfectly happy with a portion of the 45% or so of my income that pays taxes going toward programs that actually benefit it. (I'm self-employed, so I am subject to a wonderful 15% self-employment tax, on top of having to pay more in social security than you do.) | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by Matt:Luckily my daughter is covered under state program, otherwise I'd have to drop an additional $300+ a month to cover her too and she'd be subject to the same ridiculous limitations and deductibles I am, which means I'd have to pay for all her health care out of pocket. So how is it fair to pass that cost to the taxpayer? -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
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| said by Matt: I get bent over for absolutely crappy coverage from Blue Cross Blue Shield. I have the privilege of paying over $100/month for coverage with a $2700 deductible, and that's just for me -- a healthy 31 year old white male. Boo hoo! Where did you get the idea that anyone deserves free health care? Why do you think you're getting "bent over" for $100/month? Sounds like a fantastic deal to me, it's called catastrophic care and it does what is says it does -- if you fall off your roof and have $150,000 in medical bills, you pay a small percentage of that.
How much is your car payment, or cable/satellite + internet? I'm willing to bet that health insurance comes in 3rd place on that list.
I had (what sounds like) the exact same BCBS plan for years while I was self employed and it was great -- peace of mind that I wouldn't be financially ruined if I had a grabber while reading the BBR news pages. It also got me discounted doctor visits on the rare occasions I needed to go, and large discounts on prescriptions. | |
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 |  |  |  |  tubbynetreminds me of the danse russePremium,MVM join:2008-01-16 Chandler, AZ | my biggest issue with the tax (even though i'm a non-smoker) is the logical disconnect that the tax is using. when you tax something, you should be taxing something that is the opposite of what it is trying to help... i.e. the tax on smoking should go to a tabacco youth education program, not to help pay for childcare.
my biggest issue with the democratic party is that they just want to tax willy-nilly. the government needs income to function, but it should be done in such a manner that provides accountability and transparency and the taxes from one sector are used to help others within that sector.
my biggest issue with the republicans is that they are stuck in a 1980's cold war, tax cut, reagonomics frame of mind. they refuse to see how the world has changed. providing tax cuts while spending $15 billion/month in an unpopular war is not something that will be sustainable. if you take away the governments income, you should take away spending. along that same token, its very funny that we can provide so much money for something that has had little tangible benefits (unless you are part of the oil-baron class) in the iraq war, but we can't provide 1/100th of the money we've spent to help our domestic auto industry? simply astounding.
this is why the two-party system in the us should fail. we have come down to party mantra and stereotypes, rather than legislators looking logically at legislation and explaining this to their constituency, we'd rather let those who can yell the loudest (more often than not the group that doesn't feel anything other than knee-jerk reactions) dictate who can do what.
sad state of affairs....
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|  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by tubbynet:my biggest issue with the republicans is that they are stuck in a 1980's cold war, tax cut, reagonomics frame of mind. they refuse to see how the world has changed. providing tax cuts while spending $15 billion/month in an unpopular war is not something that will be sustainable. if you take away the governments income, you should take away spending. along that same token, its very funny that we can provide so much money for something that has had little tangible benefits (unless you are part of the oil-baron class) in the iraq war, but we can't provide 1/100th of the money we've spent to help our domestic auto industry? simply astounding. I'd say that Republicans are nit-picking.
They have no problem funding bullshit military spending but when it comes to actually improving the living standards of everyday Americans they're up in arms.
I can't stand it. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by GoBG:They have no problem funding bullshit military spending but when it comes to actually improving the living standards of everyday Americans they're up in arms. Perhaps you don't know that the federal government is specifically authorized to raise a military. It is not tasked with feeding, clothing and wiping the asses of every person in the country. -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
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| Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by pnh102:Perhaps you don't know that the federal government is specifically authorized to raise a military. It is not tasked with feeding, clothing and wiping the asses of every person in the country. .... And that offers a very interesting perspective of America's priorities, don't you think?
We'd allow Americans to die in the streets so we could wage war killing other people in other countries?
When I think about it, it sounds totally F'ed up to me.
Maybe it's just me, but if you can't afford to help your own citizens at home, maybe just maybe you can't afford to be fighting wars either. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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|  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by KrK:.... And that offers a very interesting perspective of America's priorities, don't you think? Who am I to argue with the Founding Fathers? -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
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| Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? I don't remember the Founding Fathers saying anything about fighting wars. I do remember them talking about mustering a solid defense from Invasion from foreign powers.... -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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|  |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Whoever made that cartoon is a clueless moron.
It was the stupid GOP that expanded Medicare prescription drug coverage to help old people who have money pay for drugs.
So much for accuracy in media. -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
|  |  |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC kudos:12 | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by pnh102:Whoever made that cartoon is a clueless moron. It was the stupid GOP that expanded Medicare prescription drug coverage to help old people who have money pay for drugs. So much for accuracy in media. Old people have money to pay for drugs? Are you kidding me? I pay my mother's $500/month prescription drug requirement because she isn't eligible for any assistance. If she wants to switch to a series of older generic drugs that don't work well, then she can get 3 of her 4 prescriptions for $5 each, but they didn't work for her so she is stuck with name brand drugs at over $100 for a 30-day supply. One of them is close to $300 for a 30-day supply.
Again, I think you are absolutely clueless about the horrible state of the medical industry in this country. | |
|  |  |  |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD 1 edit | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by Matt:Old people have money to pay for drugs? Are you kidding me? I pay my mother's $500/month prescription drug requirement because she isn't eligible for any assistance. So you have cash to pay that but you aren't going to pay $300 a month for your own child's insurance? Funny indeed.
Old people have plenty of money. They are the single richest group of people in the USA. Most get Social Security and own their own homes. They can use this money to pay for drugs.
said by Matt:Again, I think you are absolutely clueless about the horrible state of the medical industry in this country. Between my immediate family, we've had 2 people with 6 different bouts of various cancers, multiple hip replacements, pregnancies and countless minor surgeries. Our family managed to pay for all of these through private insurance. Don't play the "you don't know the medical industry game" with me, you will lose. -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
|  |  |  |  |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC kudos:12 | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by pnh102:said by Matt:Old people have money to pay for drugs? Are you kidding me? I pay my mother's $500/month prescription drug requirement because she isn't eligible for any assistance. So you have cash to pay that but you aren't going to pay $300 a month for your own child's insurance? Funny indeed. You are hopelessly myopic my friend. | |
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1 edit | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by Matt:said by pnh102:said by Matt:Old people have money to pay for drugs? Are you kidding me? I pay my mother's $500/month prescription drug requirement because she isn't eligible for any assistance. So you have cash to pay that but you aren't going to pay $300 a month for your own child's insurance? Funny indeed. You are hopelessly myopic my friend. And probably quite wealthy and living off a trust fund as well. Those kinds of medical issues PHN rattled off (cancer alone is bad enough) would bankrupt the average joe blow out there, even WITH coverage!  | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by N10Cities:And probably quite wealthy and living off a trust fund as well. Those kinds of medical issues PHN rattled off (cancer alone is bad enough) would bankrupt the average joe blow out there, even WITH coverage! You think it didn't when we had to deal with it? -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
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People who want "free" healthcare should go move to Canada or any other number of countries which offer it. I've never heard of anyone from any of those countries ever come to the USA for any medical treatment whatsoever because their systems are so much better than ours 100% of the time. -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
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"Old people have plenty of money. They are the single richest group of people in the USA. Most get Social Security and own their own homes. They can use this money to pay for drugs."
Seriously, it seems to me that you are living in some dream world, where everyone around only YOU are living fine.
But really, that's your response? he just got done telling you that he has to foot the bill for his mother's prescription, because she has no coverage.
and your response was
"Old people have plenty of money, they are the single richest group in the USA"
heh, I also love how you pull statistics clear out of your anus when you say that most of them own their own homes.
well not so much these days, most old people that I KNOW are either making their social security money last, or trying to stay in the home that they have until they die. | |
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| Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? pnh102 is just like everybody else these days in the republic party:
poor? go eff yourself, 'cause you're a loser.
no health insurance - your own damn fault, loser.
no job - hahahaha, loser.
cancer or other debilitating illness - you probably deserve it, loser.
lost your house? good riddance, you ACORN lovin, subprime loan loser.
The republic party doesn't want any government money going to any damn losers - they need all the govt money they can get their hands on for tax cuts to the rich and to give to defense to keep us safe from terrists. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? I knew you'd finally see the light. CHEERS! -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
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 |  |  | | said by pnh102:Whoever made that cartoon is a clueless moron. It was the stupid GOP that expanded Medicare prescription drug coverage to help old people who have money pay for drugs. So much for accuracy in media. What are you talking about ? thats exactly what is going o right now and Obama called them out.
Make the right choice or do what they have been doing the last 8 years. Its time to get the old habits adjusted for the better.
it makes perfect sense buddy. Get your head out of your bumhole | |
|  |  |  |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by DJMASACRE:What are you talking about ? thats exactly what is going o right now and Obama called them out. Yawn.
Please go look up the Medicare prescription drug benefit addition and when it was done, who pushed for it, and who signed it into law.
Ok I will save you the trouble. The then-GOP congress passed it, and it was signed into law by President Bush, who, if you didn't know, is a member of the GOP. -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
|  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Why Do Republicants Hate Aid To States? said by pnh102:said by DJMASACRE:What are you talking about ? thats exactly what is going o right now and Obama called them out. Yawn. Please go look up the Medicare prescription drug benefit addition and when it was done, who pushed for it, and who signed it into law. Ok I will save you the trouble. The then-GOP congress passed it, and it was signed into law by President Bush, who, if you didn't know, is a member of the GOP. That cartoon wasnt just about medicare there bud.
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 |  me1212 join:2008-11-20 Pleasant Hill, MO 1 edit | Its not so much that they don't want to help, they don't want the wrong kind of help. In the 80's what got them/us out of that mess? tax cuts, so it should help here. I am all for helping the poor, but when you make $80000 a year you don't need that much help most of the time, if it IS needed yeah help, but they don't want us to become socialists(SP?). It is NOT the governements job to pay for us, t IS OUR job to pay ofr us, thats why we work. Noe if you fall on hard times, I can understand, like if you loose ur job, fine help till you get a new one, but if you are too lazy to look for another(or one to begin with), or you will not take a job because it don't have a specific title or don't pay what you think you deserve, even though theres a job right infront of you, you just don't think it is glamorus enough for you, SKREW YOU!!!!! I say you should fall through the cracks, it is lazy(or snobbs, if you are the ones who will not take the job as you think you are too good for it, when in reality it most likly is too good for you) its people like you who are bringing the US down. Now if you will take any job to support your family, even diggin ditches in what used to be a sewage tratemnt plant, so long as you can atleast help your family stay afloat I would gladly help you with anything I could.
As for old people I beleive it is our job to help them, and if that means I have to put off the new tv to help and old dude(or a poor kid) stay alive so be it. But if it is to help the guy, who got shot by the drug dealer he owed money to, or who gambled away the money(he lost it then got into a bar fight) his wife was going to spend on food for the kids I won't help ither of them EVAR! | |
|  |  | | When I first read about this, I was a little amazed because I was thinking to myself...25 years old and has to use children's insurance? Wow.
Even at age 20, WITHOUT my formal education and job experience, I had insurance. Yes, I paid a higher premium because the insurance my employer offered was crap, so I got my own policy. However, insurance is needed because one event can kill you financially. And, duh, I was 20 years old, no longer legally a child.
Bottom line is - even if your insurance is higher, and you can afford it, you should NOT take schip simply to save money. That should be left to people who genuinely NEED it - children - the reason the program was created in the first place. | |
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President Barack Obama may face pushback from Comcast Corp. and other cable providers on his plan to wire rural areas for high-speed Internet access.
The biggest companies, including Comcast and AT&T Inc., probably wont take part in the plan unless lawmakers provide more money for installation of costly broadband lines and drop speed and access requirements, said Robert Atkinson of the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation.
As the bill is currently structured, the companies that provide 90 to 95 percent of broadband wont be applying for these grants, said Atkinson, who leads the Washington-based think tank. Its just not a good trade-off for them. -- »www.seabee.navy.mil | |
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| Re: Most companies say too many strings attached The biggest companies, including Comcast and AT&T Inc., probably wont take part in the plan unless lawmakers provide more money for installation of costly broadband lines and drop speed and access requirements The money that goes to these grants (particularly to the Agriculture Department's RUS) generally went to smaller, rural players anyway...
I'm guessing there's carriers who'll have no problem adhering to the guidelines for the extra funds and business. | |
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| Re: Most companies say too many strings attached said by Karl Bode:The biggest companies, including Comcast and AT&T Inc., probably wont take part in the plan unless lawmakers provide more money for installation of costly broadband lines and drop speed and access requirements The money that goes to these grants (particularly to the Agriculture Department's RUS) generally went to smaller, rural players anyway... I'm guessing there's carriers who'll have no problem adhering to the guidelines for the extra funds and business. No kidding. Our local phone company apparently received some funds for rolling out their FTTH service and didn't waste any time rolling them out. Replaced every bit of their old copper plant.... | |
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After all, Verizon has already collected money from subscribers and taxpayers over the years. It's time for unserved and underserved to reap the benefits of "next gen" services. | |
|  |  John GaltForward, MarchPremium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp kudos:3 2 edits | Re: Why does Verizon need a bailout? Everyone needs to read this...
Like some Harry Potter potion, the story you are about to hear is rarely discussed, improperly remembered, or removed ompletely from government agencies reports, including the FCCs (Federal Communications Commission) broadband report. Most, if not all "average citizens" do not remember that they paid for the missing networks through higher phone rates...
So, get to reading, and remembering...!
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By Eric Kleefeld - February 9, 2009, 9:30AM

A new Gallup poll shows that President Obama is continuing to enjoy high approval in handling the economic stimulus debate -- and his brand is solidly beating the Congressional Republicans, too.
The numbers: Obama has a 67% approval and only 25% disapproval on how he's handled the stimulus bill, compared to Congressional Republicans' 31% approval and very high 58% disapproval. Congressional Democrats aren't as popular as Obama himself -- explaining the GOP's efforts to tie the bill to Nancy Pelosi, instead of Obama -- but they're still in the black at 48%-42%.
In addition, a 51% majority of independents say it is critically important to pass a stimulus bill, 27% say it is moderately important, and only 17% say it's not important. The numbers among the Republican base, as we might expect, are wildly different: Only 29% say it is critically important, 37% say it's important but not critically so, and 31% say it's not important. | |
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 | | stimulus bill pork barrel in disguise As more and more Americans See whats in the stimulus bill, support will dropp even more, | |
|  |  bac522 join:2003-08-04 Manchester, NH | Re: stimulus bill pork barrel in disguise Not to mention a lot of people seem not to realize that we have TO PAY FOR THIS....and how do you think that's going to happen...hhhhhmmmm...can anyone say "raise taxes".
There is such an ignorant view in this country that we can come out with stimulus package that is free... sure the government can just print free money...NOT!!!
Sorry people...wake up an smell the roses...any stimulus package at the end of the day has to be paid for by the American people and that is done by taxes. | |
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Who is going to do all of this so-called mapping to show where BB is needed? And will it even be accurate? Why give money to people and places that have no clue what to do and have no plan to build out BB to these Rural Areas? | |
|  2 edits | Re: Poll: Obama Way Ahead Of GOP On Stimulus said by mckenna797:As more and more Americans See whats in the stimulus bill, support will dropp even more, "even more" wouldn't that mean it has drop already?

The support is strong.. now, if you watch Fox News they may tell you the world is coming to a end. lol | |
|  |  | | Re: Poll: Obama Way Ahead Of GOP On Stimulus nah, they wouldn't say that, they'd either twist those numbers, never mention numbers for obama, show total numbers for congress, or some combination of both. | |
|  |  cacoPremium join:2005-03-10 Whittier, AK 3 edits | said by GoBG:said by mckenna797:As more and more Americans See whats in the stimulus bill, support will dropp even more, "even more" wouldn't that mean it has drop already? The support is strong.. now, if you watch Fox News they may tell you the world is coming to a end. lol Isn't that what Obama is telling us if congress doesn't pass his stimulus bill? | |
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It seems to me that the tax cuts they are raving about are not going to do much for the average person. Sure, it might put a 1000 or two bucks per year back in the pockets of the average American, but that doesn't go too far these days. It might pay one month's mortgage, but that is about it. It sure doesn't help knowing that when that money is spent that you are still out of a job. Paying less tax each year doesn't do much when your household income is zero.
I'm not sure that cutting taxes for the big companies is a good idea either. Look at what the banks did when they got an influx of cash. They didn't use it to fix their business model. Instead, they used the money to give each other 18.4 billion in bonuses and buy up other banks that were in even worse shape than they were. Greed and power took precedence over making things better. With tax cuts, there is nothing to stop these companies continuing with more of the same by hoarding that newly acquired wealth to make the rich even richer. The companies can say that "Hey, it is our money and we can do what we want with it. The little guy be damned!!"
At least with a stimulus package, there is an effort to control the way the money is put back into the economy to ensure that it is used to get people working and force big business to use the money to create jobs, rather than buying jets, mega-yachts, Rolexes, and Porches. At least Obama is trying to fix things. Those GOPs or Democrats who refuse on partisan principles to work with the current administration to get the economy back on track, offer nothing to the solution except by naysaying every idea, should be rid.
Except for the three GOP senators working with the Senate to come up with a solution, I don't hear a thing about the other GOPs working all through the night to come up with a strategy to help the country. Why not?!! They should be be scrambling like the Democrats are, but they are doing nothing! Wake up! America is in big trouble! Put the party rhetoric aside and do your damn job. Unemployment does not care what party you are in.
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|  batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ | Ma Bell could have done it. There was a time when the best network would be provided to every pig pen in the USA and tax would be paid by TPC.
You drank the Kool Aid of MCI/WorlsCom and now you weep. I pity you/ I pity the fool. | |
|  |  | | Re: Ma Bell could have done it. You said it! Cheaper rates and lower prices are more important than availability . It was / is a race to the bottom - Well, Here we are! | |
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 Simba7I Void Warranties join:2003-03-24 Billings, MT | White Space Broadband... Anybody? Just put the money into White Space Broadband. That way *EVERYONE* benefits from it, instead of laying new cable everywhere.
If you want a fast as hell connection, go wired. If you want a connection to check your email or post to your blog, go wireless. -- Bresnan 15M/1M|Mine[P4HT 3.2GHz,2GB RAM,2x1TB HDDs,WinXP]|Wife's[P4 2.4GHz,1GB RAM,60GB HDD,WinXP]|Router[2xP3@1GHz,640MB RAM,18GB HDD,Allied Telesyn AT-2560FX,Kingston KNE100TX,2xDigital DE504,Compaq NC3131,iPro/1000DP,Blitz BWI715,Gentoo] | |
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