 wvcaver
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join:2005-04-17
Millersburg, OH | corporate Greed Wonder how much will end up in the CEO pocket !? | |
| Comcast suck
join:2007-10-23
Bloomfield, CT
| Hows about 100mbps to 1 Gbps standerd FTTP plan? Think about it fiber to EVER SINGLE home, library, government building, hospital, business it the United States.
This investment in infrastructure can be bigger then the Highway system and telephone systems combined.%$50 TRILLION in the US economy within 45 years of innovation. | |
|  | jc100
join:2002-04-10
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Hows about 100mbps to 1 Gbps standerd FTTP plan? And then reality sets in where we give Subsidies to Business, like farmers, and see little in return. We should all open up companies these days and run them to the ground (or poorly). Seems the government loves bailing people out. Ask good old Georgie about that one. Democrats just as bad. 700 billion of our money to corporations. Hell, hard to tell these 2 idiot parties apart. Both seem big business right now. Where's the tax payer bail out. We're sinking and unless our money is going to be spent wisely, don't bother squandering it. We all know that 99 percent of this will just be a slush fund for isps to talk big and do nothing. It's the same story over and over. | |
| | | lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL | Re: Hows about 100mbps to 1 Gbps standerd FTTP plan? Wow something we agree on, is today 12/22/2012? | |
| | | | jc100
join:2002-04-10
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Hows about 100mbps to 1 Gbps standerd FTTP plan? Both parties suck when it comes to spending. Far Right subsidizes Big Business, farmers, and gives HUGE contracts to their buddies. O let's not forget the war machine. The left loves pissing money into stupid shit all the same. Right borrows, left taxes. Right deflates the dollar by borrowing, left taxes more. Both parties need to cut their bullshit spending until they can figure out HOW TO SPEND PROPERLY. I mean it's a crock of shit we hand out money and see nothing in return. Don't get me wrong, we NEED the government to do things for us. Roads, Schools, Hospitals, Medical Research, Emergency services are all tax payer socialized. It's not all bad. However, we shouldn't need to THROW MONEY away or throw it at the same projects 100 times to get something done. Isn't the utilities fund suppose to be covering shit like that. I see it on my cell phone bill and other crap monthly. Where's this money going? Before you give these MORONS any more money, make them spend what they got correctly. Too bad lobbyists run washington. These shills couldn't think for themselves if all hell broke loose.
All in the same stinking package for most part. Only reason I support Democratic is because Im pro abortion, gay marriage, and shit like that. Short of these stances, both these idiotic parties blow. $$$$$$$$$$$$$ while the rest of us go to the poor house. Must be nice having a guaranteed job of raping your constituents who are losing their houses so you can bail EVERYONE ELSE OUT. | |
| cpsycho
join:2008-06-03
Orangeville, ON | Gov broadband pipeline company I think they should pull a canada here, let the government own the backbone. Companys rent it. That way the government can make some cash back. | |
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Duramax08
Oy, Pass It on.
join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX
 ·Juno Express
| Hmmmm.... Would they go to every house in america and put broadband lines up in areas where broadband doesnt exist or what? I just hope they do something since Im still waiting for some one to extend the lines down my road....
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IT Guy
Your God Smells Funny
join:2004-07-29
Las Cruces, NM
clubs:
·Comcast
| Lobbies If this country wants to see some real change, outlaw the gifts and other perks lobbyists shower on Congress, etc... ALL of them. These practices have harmed our country more than what we give it credit for. What a bunch of hypocrites, your low-level government employee will go to jail for accepting gifts, yet our policy makers received these gifts, trips, campaign contributions... Sickening!
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My time is a piece of wax, falling on a termite, that's choking on a splinter. --Beck | |
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asdfdfdfdfdfdfdf
@Level3.net
| Re: Lobbies I don't disagree with your assessment of the warping effects of lobbying money. I think, however, that we need to go after the low hanging fruit first.
Attacking the problem at its core would only quickly mire the administration down in bruising battles over free speech and so on. Unfortunately there is a long history of corporate legal developments which have entrenched the idea that corporations have many of the rights of human persons and that use of corporate money for political objectives is a free speech issue. I think these were terrible developments but they aren't going to be undone in the near future.
The first focus has to be on whittling away at the fringes and getting some tangible results in order to overcome cynicism and motivate energy toward greater results.
If obama tries to attack the most fundamental problem first he will simply be stymied, all his energy will drain away in a futile push, and public opinion will quickly turn against him as he will appear to be incapable of actually accomplishing anything. He needs to move swiftly on things that can bear fruit in the near future and will shake things up. Then as momentum changes and concentrated power is put on the defensive, the big questions can be more directly approached. | |
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IT Guy
Your God Smells Funny
join:2004-07-29
Las Cruces, NM
clubs: | Re: Lobbies Wow! Great assessment. I agree with you, and I never fully understood the whole corporate entities=living person thing.
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| nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | I fear.... that all the govt will do is throw money at the incumbents. If this happens, it will be a huge waste.
the govt should re-instate line sharing (including fiber and cable) and only provide loans/grants to start up companies. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
| Re: I fear.... said by nasadude  :that all the govt will do is throw money at the incumbents. If this happens, it will be a huge waste. That's what we've always done, and most likely the way it will continue. And it will fail as usual.
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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| k1ll3rdr4g0n
join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
|  Lets not and say we did
Instead make a law making the ISPs actually support and maintain their service.
I actually thought about this, and the FCC should introduce a law that makes it so if a ISP has more than 10% of unhappy customers they get fined or something.
My fellow DSLR posters, if they keep raising rates, why do they need more money? It's not getting put towards the infrastructure, that much we know by comcast blocking torrents instead of upgrading their systems to handle the extra workload. What about the caps and overage fees? What about the ISP's threats about an "exaflood"?
These idiots are too greedy and you need to whack them upside the head. If the ISP's get any money, it will go straight to the CEO then funneled down to his workers (what 1%?). We gave them ample time to "fix" their attitude, now its time to fix it for them!
Lets all shoot an EECB to the FCC telling them that they need to examine the financial records of all these ISP to see if they indeed need more money. | |
| | Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN
| Re: Lets not and say we did Ya, that would never happen in reality.
If there were a law that could fine ISP's for a certain percentage of un-happy customers.
The companies lobbyists in DC would scream bloody murder.
NO WELFARE FOR CORPORATIONS!!!!!
oh, but anytime the consumers try to fight for fair rights, then they say it's a "Hand-out" to the people.
But when THEY see a chance to get more tax payer money....
it's "Necessary to keep business alive" | |
| | | battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | Re: Lets not and say we did "If there were a law that could fine ISP's for a certain percentage of un-happy customers."
There is it's called voting with your feet. Every business has this kind of "fine" in place. | |
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Skype
| Re: Lets not and say we did said by battleop :"If there were a law that could fine ISP's for a certain percentage of un-happy customers." There is it's called voting with your feet. Every business has this kind of "fine" in place. Not enough competition.
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What you do at Christmas does not matter so much; What counts are the Christmas things you do all year through. | |
| | | | | Gogo1
join:2004-05-27
Brooklyn, NY
| Re: Lets not and say we did said by funchords :said by battleop :"If there were a law that could fine ISP's for a certain percentage of un-happy customers." There is it's called voting with your feet. Every business has this kind of "fine" in place. Not enough competition. Exactly. Makes you wonder why stupid Americans keep voting for big government, interventionist politicians. Oh wait. Thats all there is to vote for because your country is owned by the republicrats. | |
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype
| Re: Lets not and say we did said by Gogo1 :said by funchords :said by battleop :"If there were a law that could fine ISP's for a certain percentage of un-happy customers." There is it's called voting with your feet. Every business has this kind of "fine" in place. Not enough competition. Exactly. Makes you wonder why stupid Americans keep voting for big government, interventionist politicians. Oh wait. Thats all there is to vote for because your country is owned by the republicrats. That's not what I mean, either.
We're talking about ISPs here. In meat-space, they'd be analogous to our local roads. With few exceptions, our roads are publicly owned and operate neutral to someone's source or destination. (If Target owned the roads, then the good roads would go to Target and the dilapidated roads would go to K-mart and Walmart.)
Even when a new store or development builds the roads as a condition of building, that neutrality of travel is enforced. Competition is preserved because Burger King simply cannot pay anyone to prevent customers from driving to McDonalds.
Currently, we all sign up for "the Internet" but the broadband ISPs have told the government that they're an "Information Service" like CompuServe or the old America Online. As a result, most broadband ISPs don't have to carry the competition as a matter of law, and where they do they manufacture bogus charges and network conditions to make sure it is competition in name only.
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Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL
What you do at Christmas does not matter so much; What counts are the Christmas things you do all year through. | |
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asdfdfdfdfdfdfdf
@Level3.net
| tax incentives are a terrible idea... The standard approach for years has been to provide "incentives" to the incumbents in the hopes that they will be moved to extend build out. It hasn't worked. We have seen diminishing competition, consolidation, stock buyback programs and dividend increases. Coverage has largely stagnated.
We need spectrum reform and we need policies that have nothing to do with throwing more money at the incumbents, but instead are focused on increasing competition: Divestiture, moving forward on white space and on the m2z proposal. If any of the bigger players is going to get any love it should be focused on clearwire, on wireless and getting another major player to shake up the market.
We don't need one approach, we need to facilitate many of the alternatives that have been put forward. Policies need to be results based and not based on some purist political and economic ideology. Policies also need to have clearly defined, concrete build out targets and they need to have real teeth and punishments for failure.
If there are any incentives that focus on the incumbents they need to be punitive and not carrots designed to promote warm fuzzy feelings. The incumbents will bitch and moan about the need for "flexibility". There is a long history that shows flexibility means being given loopholes to weasel out of commitments.
I would hope that the people obama surrounds himself with have enough integrity to be willing to see that directing action toward the incumbents is the wrong way to go. These policies have been a failure. They came to power promising real change of direction. Now is the time to put substance behind the words. | |
| tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| goal posts, objectives, needs How about funding municipal and 3rd party broadband where Comcast decided to institute it's 250gb monthly data caps.. Oh wait, that's virtually ALL OF IT'S FOOTPRINT... you better get started on 1/20/2009.. your gonna need a bigger non-incumbent bailout bucket! | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Worst Case Scenerio = Most likely Outcome | |
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Broadband Stimulus Plan Creates Lobbyist Feeding Frenzy