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Broadcom Offers DOCSIS 3.1 Chip, Comcast Says 1 Gbps Coming

Broadcom this week announced at CES that the company has announced their first "system on a chip" design based on the freshly-built DOCSIS 3.1 standard, paving the way for 1 Gbps cable service to the home. According to the company announcement, these 1 Gbps offering should start arriving this year, though most deployments aren't expected to ramp up in scale until 2016.

"By more effectively using our cable plant to grow our total throughput, we expect to offer our customers more than 1 Gigabit speeds in their homes in 2015 and beyond," Comcast is quoted as saying in Brodcom's announcement.

In December, six unnamed hardware vendors completed the first round of interoperability tests for new DOCSIS 3.1 products, gear that will someday be capable of offering 10 Gbps downstream and 1 Gbps upstream. CableLabs plans to host a follow up interoperability testing session during the week of January 19, 2015.

"The BCM3390 cable modem SoC delivers video content with a nearly 50 percent increased efficiency on existing spectrum allocations and allows for the delivery and use of a new range of content and services," states Broadcom. "The single device supports high-speed data rates exceeding 1 Gbps. The BCM93390 modem reference design with integrated Wi-Fi provides up to 2 Gigabit speeds in the home, providing a path for cable operators to transition to all-IP video."

The first chipsets out of the gate, including Broadcom's solution, will be hybrid solutions that support both DOCSIS 3.1 and DOCSIS 3.0 backward compatibility. Broadcom's BCM93390 chipset features two OFDM 196MHz downstream channels, 32 single-carrier DOCSIS 3.0 QAM downstream channels, two 96MHz OFDM-A upstream channels, and 8 single-carrier DOCSIS 3.0 upstream QAM channels.

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SunnyD
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"providing a path for cable operators to transition to all-IP video."

Goodbye CableCARD, we hardly knew you.

aaronwt
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Re: "providing a path for cable operators to transition to all-IP video."

said by SunnyD:

Goodbye CableCARD, we hardly knew you.

It's not going anywhere anytime soon. Not with tens of millions of cable company boxes out there with Cable Cards in them.
cramer
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Re: "providing a path for cable operators to transition to all-IP video."

Wouldn't be too difficult to reprogram them. 'tho they aren't D3.1 devices.
SunnyD
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It's not going anywhere anytime soon. Not with tens of millions of cable company boxes out there with Cable Cards in them.

You honestly think cableco's won't happily replace their boxes and roll the replacement costs right into your bills with a fee increase, especially if there's a vendor/rental fee lock-in involved? Please.
davidhoffman
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Tens of millions? Is that for the entire planet Earth?
cramer
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Re: "providing a path for cable operators to transition to all-IP video."

TWC alone has more than 10mil customers. Add in multiple boxes per household, and the dozen other MSOs in the country, and the number is far more than 10mil.
davidhoffman
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Re: "providing a path for cable operators to transition to all-IP video."

All those boxes have Cable Cards? I always thought the Cable Card functions were on the mainboard of the set top boxes. I never looked inside one though. I guess I learned something new today. Seems like a wasteful design to me. I thought having as much as possible integrated on the mainboard would be a better value. I guess I was wrong.

aaronwt
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Re: "providing a path for cable operators to transition to all-IP video."

said by davidhoffman:

All those boxes have Cable Cards? I always thought the Cable Card functions were on the mainboard of the set top boxes. I never looked inside one though. I guess I learned something new today. Seems like a wasteful design to me. I thought having as much as possible integrated on the mainboard would be a better value. I guess I was wrong.

The government required them to use cable cards in their STBs. That is the only reason there are so many STBs out there with cable cards in them.
cramer
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Integrated encryption was denied by the FCC (what was the DFAST standard, and yet another attempt to delay the CC mandate.) Every receiver has a cable card in it. (usually behind a sealed door or panel)
b10010011
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All of Comcast's new "X1" platform boxes have a Motorola "M" cableCARD just like my Tivo uses right inside of them.

You can see it through the top vents.

Makes me angry as cable companies have pretty much killed off TV's with cableCARD slots saying they did not work and by refusing to actually support them. Yet now they are using them in everything and have no problem supporting them or with cableCARD supporting On-Demand and every other service they offer.

Robert
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Re: "providing a path for cable operators to transition to all-IP video."

said by b10010011:

Makes me angry as cable companies have pretty much killed off TV's with cableCARD slots saying they did not work and by refusing to actually support them. Yet now they are using them in everything and have no problem supporting them or with cableCARD supporting On-Demand and every other service they offer.

There's two parts to this that I see:

1. The devices that Comcast provides to its customers have been thoroughly tested in Comcast's labs to ensure that they work flawlessly with their cable system. Devices that are not functioning properly are returned for repair and the customer receives a replacement immediately. I also believe the authorization process is complete different, whereas a cablecard in a TiVo is authorized on Comcast's network entirely different than one of their own devices.

2. Money. Why would Comcast support 3rd-party devices when it results in loss of revenue. For the record, Comcast has always provided me with the utmost support with my TiVO & cablecard.
elefante72
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Re: "providing a path for cable operators to transition to all-IP video."

1. Devices that are supported for cable card use have to go through a ridiculous cablelabs certification, so they will work. So the cartel that creates the tech specs also blesses it. My equipment was certified by CL, so it does work, and it does. (HDHRP). It has been rock solid for years.

2. Because the FCC says they have to. I have had heated discussions w/ Verizon at times violating FCC mandates, but in the end they support grudgingly. They are trying to kill the CC, and replace it w/ an IP version which theoretically would be easier to support, but every carrier will put their spin on it, and make it impossible for third parties to support. Of course if we consolidate down to 3-4 operators, maybe not a problem.

In any case I have saved thousands over the years using CC, and if they stopped supporting it, I would just dump cable. I have never used an operator piece of junk box. Before Verizon I had DTV and before that just plain tuners..

karpodiem
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Re: "providing a path for cable operators to transition to all-IP video."

Bingo. Exactly why I use TiVo HD TCD652160 boxes - they're rock solid.
Brim77
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All that speed...

...all the faster to hit your data cap!
elefante72
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Re: All that speed...

I find how all the mention of efficiency (meaning lower cost) and in the same token they of course raise rates and keep caps at artificially low numbers.

CAPS meh
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...all the faster to hit your data cap!

Every time a story comes out about faster speeds, someone trots out this old saw about data caps. When Comcast provides GB speeds to the home, either caps won't exist or will be so large it won't matter.

mackey
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Re: All that speed...

said by CAPS meh :

When Comcast provides GB speeds to the home, either caps won't exist or will be so large it won't matter.

Link? History has shown otherwise.
Brim77
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I'll stop bringing up data caps when companies stop charging for it. And Comcast will charge a data cap on GB speeds because their best buddy (AT&T) charges a data cap on the exact same service. Sorry reality is hard for you to accept.
ihatedslr
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I suppose someone had to say it.
smk11
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...all the faster to hit your data cap!

Agreed. There's no reason for 1Gbps at the prices they charge.
quisp65
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Anyone know the total bandwidth of each?

Down:
Two OFDM 196MHz downstream channels = ?
32 single-carrier DOCSIS 3.0 QAM downstream channels=? (1,372Mbps?)

Up:
Two 96MHz OFDM-A upstream channels=?
8 single-carrier DOCSIS 3.0 upstream QAM channels=?(262Mbps?)
majortom1029
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Re: Anyone know the total bandwidth of each?

From what I saw I think your question marks are 4-5 gigabits down and 500 megabits up.

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said by quisp65:

Down:
Two OFDM 196MHz downstream channels = ?
32 single-carrier DOCSIS 3.0 QAM downstream channels=? (1,372Mbps?)

Up:
Two 96MHz OFDM-A upstream channels=?
8 single-carrier DOCSIS 3.0 upstream QAM channels=?(262Mbps?)

I may be wrong, but each single carrier channel is 6 MHz wide. So it would be 32x 6 = 192 MHz and 8x6 MHz = 48 MHz wide

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?

How is Comcast supposed to stop the outages moving to a so called upgrade. Now a 1 Gig fail?
elefante72
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Re: ?

cloud computing at it's finest.
mob (banned)
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1GB/s Down...5mb/s up

Comcastic!

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1GB/s Down...5mb/s up
Comcastic!

Won't happen. I have 105 Mbps down and I get 11 to 12 Mbps up right now. When 1gbps download comes out, upstream will be at least 100mbps up.
rradina
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I have 100/4 with Charter and when I max out the down, I use all the up just with ACKs.

With TCP, 1000/5 would struggle to get much past 100Mbps. A custom protocol based on UDP might work but...

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OFDM will make deployment of faster uplink speeds possible.

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You need about 2% in upload speed for packet requests, so for 1 Gbps you need AT LEAST 20 Mbps upstream just to reach full speed. It's more likely the upload speed will be around 50 Mbps, possibly even 100 Mbps.
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davidc502
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There will be a big rush on this by Comcast

There's a huge rush to bring this to market... as soon as there is limited deployment, in 1 area, we will be seeing Comcast commercials all over the country claiming 1Gbps speeds the fastest in the nation.

Good luck affording 1Gbps by Comcast..... My guess would be 500 bucks a month or so.

aaronwt
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Re: There will be a big rush on this by Comcast

said by davidc502:

There's a huge rush to bring this to market... as soon as there is limited deployment, in 1 area, we will be seeing Comcast commercials all over the country claiming 1Gbps speeds the fastest in the nation.

Good luck affording 1Gbps by Comcast..... My guess would be 500 bucks a month or so.

With a cap of only 500GB

tc1uscg
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Doesn't matter

Yeah, in the lab, that 1gbps looks good enough to take it to market. However, running speedtests till they are blue in the face do not show the REAL story. I switched from WOW's 50mbps to comcasts 105 and I've not gained 2x the performance. Bottom line , I would be happy to see my 105 perform as good as if not better then the 50 I gave up.

Cjaiceman
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All well and good... but...

This is all well and good, but until I see it being offered to my home it's nothing but fancy words and vaporware.

cypherstream
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Yeah MSO's will bite

MSO's will bite at this technology. It means they never have to upgrade the last mile - ever.

With that big of a pipe to the home and all of the video in IP, your only receiving channels your watching or recording. 1gbps is plenty for some 4k hevc channels recording, some hd channels being watched and heavy internet surfing at the same time.

Plant is 750 MHz? Maybe its 625 MHz? Or god forbid its still one of those few 550 MHz systems out there? No problem, this thing is so efficient that they won't have to spend any money bringing these older systems to 1 gig or even invest in technology to push the last mile RF past that.

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comcast does not even make full of it's cable systems now and some areas are

comcast does not even make full of it's cable systems now and some areas are still 650-700.

Agent 86
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Beast mode

I'm impressed, this chip is a beast.

1gb down / 100 mbit up is realistic for a top tier service (eventually).

More upstream (>100mbit/s) requires a plant upgrade - don't hold your breath.