 pandoraPremium
join:2001-06-01
Outland
kudos:1 |  I'd like Wi-Fi to be as good as wired
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 | brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | Re: I'd like Wi-Fi to be as good as wired said by pandora:I'd like really great Wi-Fi. So far, it isn't here. I hope this is a step forward.
They're struggling enough as it is to get to 1Gb (real throughput not on paper before overhead) never mind higher rates of throughout. That would also require wired connections to not advance in speed. Considering there is 10Gb/40Gb and 100Gb Ethernet it's (Wifi) got a long way to go. | |
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| Why is wireless Gbps capabilities being deployed BEFORE such internet services can support it? haha. Fastest in the country, Verizon FiOS 150Mbps, and only a handful of businesses and internet nutcases order it. Yea, let me be the first to run out and buy this new router for my 35/35 service. | |
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| |  aaronwtPremium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
·Verizon FiOS
1 edit | Re: I'd like Wi-Fi to be as good as wired said by ITALIAN926:Why is wireless Gbps capabilities being deployed BEFORE such internet services can support it? haha. Fastest in the country, Verizon FiOS 150Mbps, and only a handful of businesses and internet nutcases order it. Yea, let me be the first to run out and buy this new router for my 35/35 service.
This is for your internal network speed. I've been running a gigabit network since 2001 when I started recording HD content. I needed the faster speed to transfer the larger amount of data in a decent amount of time to my storage server. 802.11ac is the same for wireless, allowing you to transfer the data faster between devices on your wifi network. If something like this would have been available in 2001, i would have gone wireless back then. But now I have too many devices so some are on my wireless network and the rest are on my aging gigabit network. | |
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join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | said by ITALIAN926:Why is wireless Gbps capabilities being deployed BEFORE such internet services can support it? haha. Fastest in the country, Verizon FiOS 150Mbps, and only a handful of businesses and internet nutcases order it. Yea, let me be the first to run out and buy this new router for my 35/35 service.
Here I'll spell it out for you since you don't get it... it's about being able to communicate quickly with other devices on the network. That's it. I know it is a hard concept to understand because it is so simple. | |
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| Re: I'd like Wi-Fi to be as good as wired Wow, thanks for your snide reply, I happen to be with the other 99% of the population that does NOT use a router to transfer files from one PC to another. Thanks for the free education though.
In addition, since youre so knowledgable, could you please compile a list of real world applications that an 802.11ac router could perform that an Nrouter could not? Thanks. | |
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join:2002-07-18
Fort Worth, TX | Re: I'd like Wi-Fi to be as good as wired Where in the hell do you get 99% of the population only uses a router to get on the internet? My dumbass neighbor nextdoor even transfers files and watches tv through intranet. Since you don't need it then it isn't a necessary technology I guess. Glad you aren't my dictator. | |
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| said by ITALIAN926:Wow, thanks for your snide reply, I happen to be with the other 99% of the population that does NOT use a router to transfer files from one PC to another. Thanks for the free education though.
In addition, since youre so knowledgable, could you please compile a list of real world applications that an 802.11ac router could perform that an Nrouter could not? Thanks.
Stream HD video to several TV's from your harddrive while someone else is playing video games on the network. | |
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| said by ITALIAN926:Wow, thanks for your snide reply, I happen to be with the other 99% of the population that does NOT use a router to transfer files from one PC to another. Thanks for the free education though.
In addition, since youre so knowledgable, could you please compile a list of real world applications that an 802.11ac router could perform that an Nrouter could not? Thanks.
Backups of a wireless machine to a LAN accessable storage array, or large scale transfers of data internally(its easier and quicker now to forgo the external HDD and go from computer to computer, and I have been doing this since about 2007. Look up Rsync, and see why internal network speeds can be very important, not just for the business, but for the home user too.) I just transfered my entire music collection of 169GB(yes, there is some FLAC in there), from my desktop to my laptop using rsync. I had to plug in the wired gigabit ethernet for it not to take 3 days, and its a 300mbps capable wireless N laptop, with a 300mbps wireless N router. On the GB network, it only took about 35 minutes, but on the wireless, it would have taken much much longer(around 1.5 hours). Its all about time. | |
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| | | | said by ITALIAN926:Why is wireless Gbps capabilities being deployed BEFORE such internet services can support it? haha. Fastest in the country, Verizon FiOS 150Mbps, and only a handful of businesses and internet nutcases order it. Yea, let me be the first to run out and buy this new router for my 35/35 service.
you do realize that, transferring files from pc-A (wired) to pc-B (wireless) has nothing to do with internet speed dont you? or do you think that transferring the entire contents of say the "my videos" folder from pc-A to pc-B involves sending that folder out to the internet some where and back again?
this has applications for interneal data transfer, i.e. LAN, example. being able to have multiple HD wifi security cameras... | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | 99% uses their router as the mid point for PC-PC file transfers. Routers are also your switch and WAP.
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join:2005-12-02
Southeast TN | Channel Width "The new fifth generation chips utilize 80 MHz channel...."
Good lord! | |
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| | | Re: Channel Width My thoughts exactly. Where exactly are they expecting to get this kind of bandwidth? Is the entire apartment building going to need to share a single channel now?
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| | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Channel Width What about 4 stream N wifi? The magic 600 mbps that no N device can reach. | |
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| | | | | Re: Channel Width said by patcat88:What about 4 stream N wifi? The magic 600 mbps that no N device can reach.
You're confusing MIMO Spatial Division Multiplexing with RF channels. That 600 mbps rate is still using (2 combined 20 MHz channels to form) a single 40 MHz channel. All 4 streams are actually being transmitted on the same frequency, but by using multiple antennas the receiver can tell them apart.
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Channel Width Then let me say, there are no 4 antenna N devices that are buyable. Each is 450mbps in 1 band with 3 antennas or 300+300 which is combining 2.4 and 5.0 ghz together which client devices dont do AFAIK. There are no device which operate in 600 mbps mode on 1 band on the market. | |
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|  Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4 | said by Killa200:"The new fifth generation chips utilize 80 MHz channel...."
Good lord!
Interference and channel availability in apartment complexes could be an issue. Even with 802.11n now being used heavily, interference is getting to be a problem. I am using 802.11n 5GHz band and see no problems. But if 802.11ac starts to spread, my uncrowded 5Ghz band could be a problem in a few years.
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| | axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | Re: Channel Width If it's more energy efficient, that means less power which could work out to less interference. | |
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join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | Re: Channel Width said by axus:If it's more energy efficient, that means less power which could work out to less interference.
No, not like that. More energy efficient for the mobile devices as transfers are done quicker and can then shift into a lower power mode with some components like the Wifi chipset. | |
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| | ricep5Premium
join:2000-08-07
Jacksonville, FL | Agreed.
I already see some standard housing developments where people with "old" 54G wireless networks are getting pushed out by higher power, wider channel N networks.
It will be interesting to see how Broadcom handles nearby beacons to support the data rate in the same spectrum. Throttle down or blow them away? | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | its too bad the old garage door openers are not in the ghz band... could just take those channels from Homeland Security in the name of bandwidth then.
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Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4 |  Speed is for video transfer and not streaming
Ex.) 1 video server PC --> gigabit connection to router --> wirelessly to iPad or smartphone or iPod Touch like devices at gigabit speeds.
This could make full use of the speed. Streaming doesn't need those speeds yet.
»www.broadcom.com/press/release.p···=s637241
The increased speed of 5G WiFi allows consumers to load web content on a mobile device faster, synch large video or music files quickly, all while extending battery life.
5G WiFi improves wireless range in the home, allowing consumers to watch HD-quality video from more devices, in more places
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join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | Yay! People will be able to hit their 250 GB Comcast cap faster! | |
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| | | Re: Yay! It's always someone... I have a 10/100/1000 CAT6 implemented in my home and I don't hit my cap... and N wireless... but most devices are wired. | |
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| | | | Re: Yay! Even I, who regularly bashes the 250GB cap (Which hasn't budged in years) can't see the point in that common. This is for in-home networking and doesn't have a damn thing to do with what leaves and doesn't leave your modem. That said, I also have 10/100/1000 ethernet in my home... implemented over Cat5e (  ) that I personally ran (sort of gives you an appreciation for the art) across 3 floors. Talk about work. | |
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|  redxiiPremium,Mod
join:2001-02-26
Sherwood, MI | It's for wifi, a means to connect to a router without wires, your internet speed won't go any faster than you're paying for. | |
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|  vpokoPremium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA | No, it won't, because this won't do anything to improve your external bandwidth. Even current 802.11n WiFi is much, much faster than what you're getting from Comcast. | |
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 aefstoggaflmOpen Source FanPremium
join:2002-03-04
Bethlehem, PA
kudos:2
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| Wi-Fi soup #1 I have heard
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If you need to recal the order of Wi-Fi Standards, it is..
It is all in the Bag.
#2 Where does N fit?
BAGN
#3 Where does this new standard fit?
BAGNac
Thanks.
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| | lol i'm sure it will fall short just like wireless N does now. 300mbits... if you're 4 feet away it might show you that speed. but actual throughput is about 20-30% of that... | |
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| Re: lol said by wilburyan:i'm sure it will fall short just like wireless N does now. 300mbits... if you're 4 feet away it might show you that speed. but actual throughput is about 20-30% of that...
Not really. I have a 300mbps capable router and wireless radio in my laptop, and I get about 270mbps transferring large files in sequential reads. Its more about "can the HDD handle it" than distance. I was getting that 270mbps(96% usage of the wireless networks speeds) when I was about 20 feet from the router, without a clear LoS. I have gotten 250mbps with clear LoS at 75 feet. My wireless network is visible to my computer for about a block around my apartment, and even when that far away, I can still get decent network transfer speeds. | |
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| |  Vchat20Landing is the REAL challengePremium
join:2003-09-16
Columbus, OH | Re: lol Indeed. At the 300mbps theoretical throughput you are talking 37.5MBps. That is in an area where you are hitting real world transfer limits of most consumer drives. So depending on what drives you are transferring to and from, it is quite easy to start seeing that as a bottleneck rather than the wireless network and reduced transfer speeds even though you are reading a full 300mbit connection.
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I think you're seeing 270mbps on your Wifi card information screen and are assuming that because it says you're getting 270mbps then you must be. The encoding may be 270mbps but the speed isn't. Use an app like Total Commander that calculates actual MiB/s for a transfer. Copy through Gigabit to ensure your equipment can go that fast then copy through Wifi and let us know how fast your 270Mbit connection actually goes.
You'll find that only a few 300N routers in optimal conditions can slightly exceed 100Mbit/s or 10MiB/s. | |
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| Re: lol i know this. I was looking at raw data transfer rates, which is what they are basing the 300mbps off of. Actual rates from the HDD were around 20MB/s. On a gigabit network transfer, i am able to get around 80MB/s out of an HDD, with raw transfer rates of 780mbps. SSDs will allow it to go a bit faster, but not by much. To clarify, I was looking at RAW data transfer rates, and thats what I was referencing the 270mbps at. And, many N routers can exceed 100mbps, very quickly. The wireless portion is usually on a gigbit capable network, which means that the router is not the bottleneck, the standard is. Also, you will find very few HDDs that can transfer at 100MB/s, because of overhead, even a 3GBPS capable drive will be stuck by the actual speeds with which the HDD heads can read and process the information on the HDD platter. I think the only HDDs that I have seen that broke the 100MB/s speeds were 15k RPM drives. 7200 and 5400RPM drives never will get that fast, and the only way to get any faster is SSDs. It does come down to a lot of what the HDD can handle. | |
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·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS
| share the wealth.. If broadcom wants this to succeed they will have to license the technology to be adopted by the industry and also kiss the ring of the ITU...
Provided that the technology is worthy and does exactly what it's supposed to with NO downsides... then this could be great for the consumer.. gigabit in the wireless spectrum, gigabit in the ethernet spectrum!
Very cool, exept that ISPs have long lagged behind... we don't even got 100/100mbits for reasonable prices yet.. this innovation could come just in time for Smart HDTVs as the killer app! My printer works over wifi, why not my TV too!
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| Bill_F
join:2010-02-09
Huntsville, AL | Re: share the wealth.. Why does Broadcom need to license anything?
Broadcom is selling chips to router, access point, and USB/PCI/PCI-E wireless card manufacturers so that the manufactures can build a new 802.11ac device around Broadcom's new chips.
(They are releasing 5 (I think) new chips, each targeting a different kind of product)
You could call up Broadcom, sign an NDA, and buy some of these chips and make your own wireless cards if you wanted. The price per chip in large quantities is probably under $30 a chip.
My guess is that all of the big name wireless router manufactures either already have samples of these chips, or are placing orders for samples right now.
I should mention that none of these first generation chips can do 160 MHz channel width, for those of you that want really fast speeds. Although I'm sure if you get an access point and some PCI-E cards with the BCM4360 you won't be dis-appointed. | |
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