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join:2005-03-19 | Re: I think everywhere in the US should have access to Fiber. They do have access. If a person is willing to foot the bill, they can have it. | |
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Toledo, OH | they do let you wire yourself. Its called do NOT do it with tax payer money or steal from Peter's utility to build another network. Also don't try and run the others into the ground and then say 3 years later you're bankrupt and have to sell provider to being in the red and can not pay your bills. | |
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| Re: I think everywhere in the US should have access to Fiber. said by NWOhio:... steal from Peter's utility to build another network. Also don't try and run the others into the ground and then say 3 years later you're bankrupt and have to sell provider to being in the red and can not pay your bills.
That actually sounds very much like what Verizon is doing right now! Verizon Wireless (the US portion) was built with money stolen from Verizon wireline. Now, they claim wireline is 'not profitable' and they want to dump it. I wouldn't be a BIT surprised if Verizon now tries to dump POTS on the government: 'You think it should be regulated then YOU take it!!! Wireline is bankrupt!'
Who says government can't run a business? Have you heard of the Post Office? They are a VERY profitable government business... thats why the corporate powers are in the process of destroying it... they want those profits for themselves. Only private citizens? Shouldn't that leave out corporations also?
The 'Free' marketplace is not free because once the players have enough money to buy political corruption (aka lobbying), they start to change the playing field. And if corporation AND their creators were paying their fair share of the taxes, the governments wouldn't be going bankrupt in the first place.
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| Re: I think everywhere in the US should have access to Fiber. said by CXM_Splicer:Have you heard of the Post Office? They are a VERY profitable government business...
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Unprecedented cuts by the cash-strapped U.S. Postal Service will slow first-class delivery next spring and, for the first time in 40 years, eliminate the chance for stamped letters to arrive the next day.
The estimated $3 billion in reductions, to be announced in broader detail later Monday, are part of a wide-ranging effort by the Postal Service to quickly trim costs and avert bankruptcy.
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| Re: I think everywhere in the US should have access to Fiber. Haha Only thing I am smoking is Common sense! Here, have a puff:
The article fails to mention why the postal service is in the red... sure you will hear the typical BS that email and electronic bill payment has wiped out their business and that the unions sucking the government dry. None of that is true. The real reason is that in 2006, the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act required the postal service to pre-fund retiree health benefits for 75 years. They have to make multi-billion dollar payments over 10 years to the treasury and THAT is why they are now going broke. Not surprisingly, their 'problems' started in 2007.
What you see happening is a deliberate decimation of a profitable agency by people who want smaller government and bigger business. They incorrectly think that anything the government does, business can do better and get people rich in the process. The USPS is a HIGHLY profitable business that they want in on. Soon you will see massive cutbacks, layoffs, no Saturday delivery (in the UK they get mail 2X a day... imagine that!) postage hikes, and the eventual privatization of the Post Office. Of course the 75 year pre-funded benefits will disappear somewhere in a 'bad investment'. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: I think everywhere in the US should have access to Fiber. Your claim was that the USPS is profitable. Regardless of the circumstances, it isn't. And even if the mandate you claim is true, the fact remains that snail mail becomes more and more obsolete each day so even without extra obligations, it is going the way of the dodo anyway. On top of that, the USPS is exempt from all the taxes, regulations and other red tape (at multiple levels of government) with which competing companies like FedEx and UPS must contend. If anything, that should give the USPS a competitive advantage.
What's next, you gonna claim that Amtrak would also be profitable if it did not have to provide service in rural areas?
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That actually sounds very much like what Verizon is doing right now! Verizon Wireless (the US portion) was built with money stolen from Verizon wireline. Now, they claim wireline is 'not profitable' and they want to dump it. I wouldn't be a BIT surprised if Verizon now tries to dump POTS on the government: 'You think it should be regulated then YOU take it!!! Wireline is bankrupt!'
[/BQUOTE :You are 100% on target. I remember back when FIOS started gaining speed. I called up one of VZ's CO's in mid Michigan to turn up some T1's. Tried to for 2 days. No answer. Ended up having to escalate. Got a call the next day from a CO tech out in Muskegon who said that wireline had been laid off so that CO wasn't staffed anymore. They had to drive over to do any work. And none of them had any 5e experience. I was a DMS250 guy so one of our wireless 5e guys walked him through the turn ups. The wireline guys were more up front about the crap going on behind the doors. Sad thing is, Sprint WAS doing pretty much the same thing. We (the wireline guys) were told if we expected to keep our jobs, we needed to cross-train. Wireless was the new world order. Not being union, there were no roadblocks preventing this but PCS was in the red till they started running DS3 cable, then later, fiber, up to the next floor to give PCS direct access to our vast and paid for, profit making wireline network. Within 2 years, PCS wasn't bleeding money paying access charges to AT&T and others. However, wirelines profit fell almost overnight and then started showing up in the red. I wished when Sprint sucked up Nextel, the FCC made them split off or sell off it's wireline division. But instead, they dumped Sprint Local (because they were union and they just wanted a reason to get rid of those guys). But then again, I'm sure Sprint Local was glad to get out from underneath Sprint as a whole. The money for VZ's FIOS had to come from somewhere so it makes since to take it from a division that's has paid for itself 10 times over.  | |
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That actually sounds very much like what Verizon is doing right now! Verizon Wireless (the US portion) was built with money stolen from Verizon wireline. Now, they claim wireline is 'not profitable' and they want to dump it. I wouldn't be a BIT surprised if Verizon now tries to dump POTS on the government: 'You think it should be regulated then YOU take it!!! Wireline is bankrupt!' Who says government can't run a business? Have you heard of the Post Office? They are a VERY profitable government business... thats why the corporate powers are in the process of destroying it... they want those profits for themselves. Only private citizens? Shouldn't that leave out corporations also? The 'Free' marketplace is not free because once the players have enough money to buy political corruption (aka lobbying), they start to change the playing field. And if corporation AND their creators were paying their fair share of the taxes, the governments wouldn't be going bankrupt in the first place. I am all for local government Internet/TV projects. WOW i dont even know where to begin. The USPS' problems "started" in 2007 because of the Accountability Act? The Act merely uncovered the problems and made them visible...without the massive public sector postal worker unions and their egregious pensions and benefits plans (public sector unions are monopolies if i ever saw one) the USPS might be sustainable. However before the 2007 Act the long term costs of the pensions and benefits were hidden just like the rest of the Federal government that doesn't have to keep projected entitlement and pension costs on their books. This Act merely made them visible to get a better look at the true costs of the USPS.
Who says government can't run a business? No one said that. But who said they can run one WELL? Probably no one that's ever been to an SSI office, post office, DMV, welfare office, or worked for ANY branch of ANY government in ANY country.
Are you honestly insisting that a government, any government, can run a business efficiently, profitably, and worth using? Because i've yet to see or hear of one of those in any country with actual property rights.
Your last paragraph...i can't disagree with much of that. Lobbying has been a part of our country since the day Congress first started voting on legislation. Lobbying won't change, and i think, in many ways, it serves a very Constitutionally-based purpose. However, paying for services in any capacity should absolutely be stopped as much as possible, and i completely agree with you when you say they start to charge the playing field. This is wrong.
This is also why we want a smaller government...the smaller the government the 1) more open and noticeable these things are 2) the easier it is to prevent or punish 3) the more Congress is responsible to the people, and finally the smaller the government the less regulations are in place that would cause one business or group of businesses or entire markets to need to change the playing field. Businesses lobby congress to promote themselves, hurt competitors, or both. A smaller government would directly mean it would have less of these rules and would create a level playing field for all businesses without etching out favorites.
But the second half of your last paragraph is rubbish. Businesses do not pay taxes so there's no such thing as their "fair share". any taxes they incur, especially when an entire market incurs the same taxes, the higher the costs of the products or services they sell. Since you're buying these products or services, whether directly or indirectly, you're actually paying business' taxes for them!
It's just common logic and econ 101 that any business will pass costs on to consumers regardless of what type of costs they are. Whether it's a shortage of peanuts to make peanut butter or a new federal peanut tax, all else being equal the cost of peanut butter will go up and the businesses selling PB will not be hit. | |
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| Re: I think everywhere in the US should have access to Fiber. said by Somnambul33t:WOW i dont even know where to begin. The USPS' problems "started" in 2007 because of the Accountability Act? The Act merely uncovered the problems and made them visible...without the massive public sector postal worker unions and their egregious pensions and benefits plans (public sector unions are monopolies if i ever saw one) the USPS might be sustainable. However before the 2007 Act the long term costs of the pensions and benefits were hidden just like the rest of the Federal government that doesn't have to keep projected entitlement and pension costs on their books. This Act merely made them visible to get a better look at the true costs of the USPS.
The key word in your statement is projected. There is no reason to fund a projected expense 75 years into the future within a 10 year time frame. Please tell me what private sector company does that. And, while net income was declining, they were in the black until the reform act of 2006. This is nothing but a concerted effort to destroy the postal union and siphon away profits in the meantime.
said by Somnambul33t:Who says government can't run a business? No one said that.
Actually, NWOhio said exactly that (which is what I was replying to). And if you want to see inefficency, I invite you to Verizon for a day to sit in with their management... the pinnacle of inefficiency I assure you.
said by Somnambul33t:This is also why we want a smaller government...
I would be all for smaller government if the 'businesses' that took over their functions were Not-for-Profit organizations. That would certainly preclude the financial privatization scheme that so many can clearly see. Once corporations begin to operate on shareholder primacy, they cannot be trusted to 'do the right thing'... they need to be heavily monitored and regulated (but without the corruption we have today in that process). To start, I would quadruple the SEC's investigator positions and give them a bonus for the money they recover. Smaller government? Sure... bye bye DEA, Homeland Security cut by 75%, smaller military, there are lots of changes I would make.
said by Somnambul33t:It's just common logic and econ 101 that any business will pass costs on to consumers regardless of what type of costs they are. Whether it's a shortage of peanuts to make peanut butter or a new federal peanut tax, all else being equal the cost of peanut butter will go up and the businesses selling PB will not be hit.
The myth that business don't pay taxes is very prevalent. To a small extent, it is true but who is going to pay $8.00 for a jar of peanut butter? No one, thats who. Sooner or later the profit margins have to give or the company will go out of business... and No, the companies will not go out of business. They will be happier making less money then no money. Really, the entitlement that large businesses feel is sickening. | |
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Why these corporations have chosen this path is beyond logic. Americans should collectively challenge this idiocy and let them know enough is enough. | |
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Toledo, OH | Re: You must be new to these forums.. neighborhoods have NOT tried to deploy. It was the Munis that try and deploy. And they get smacked and banned due to the way they obtain the money and how many of them have failed and will fail.
The new Muni bill will prevent them from building with any money obtained from bonds and from a muni owned utility- water, trash, power, etc. and in fact make a level playing field as they are NOT allowed to undercut to obtain customers.
Many munis have problems paying off their debt due to they can NOT afford programming. The munis buy on much lower volumes than others and even Frontier can not even afford the TV content. So how can a Muni? Raise taxes and fees on other city services to build out? After all that's what most do. | |
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Toledo, OH | Re: You must be new to these forums.. the cities don't care and neither do the residents. And that's the thing. If they did care they wouldn't bankrupt them to start off with.
They want a 3rd choice for services - when actually there are other choices- especially for tv.
Internet you have options as well. I don't see why they need to spend millions of dollars for a network that will never fully serve its purpose an that can be killed by any bill that goes in front of Congress - like the one that is now. EPB in TN will be one of those networks. they won't be able to survive off the funds they bring in. They'll raise their prices in line with Comcast and ATT and people will bitch about that and toss out the current mayors and who ever else that voted for the network to move in.
the Gov't has a duty to protect their citizens and by spending millions on a network like this is NOT one of them. We have private businesses that do that and if you're not happy with them, free market gives you the right to start your own. | |
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| Re: You must be new to these forums.. said by NWOhio:the Gov't has a duty to protect their citizens and by spending millions on a network like this is NOT one of them. We have private businesses that do that and if you're not happy with them, free market gives you the right to start your own.
Where there is no democratic decision for a public network I would agree with this. If there IS a community desire for such a venture, there should be no way for business to stop it. | |
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Toledo, OH | Re: You must be new to these forums.. gov't is NOT there to be in business. They are there to protect and serve. NOT go bankrupt by offering Internet service. Internet and TV are NOT rights, they are privileges. And you must believe in stealing from Peter to pay Paul which is what these cities are doing. They take funds from one adventure to pay another one that can't even go on its own.
And we have free market place that allows ANY PERSON the right to start a business. These people are free to form a Co-Op and start their own company as long as they do not use public funds in forms of bonds or take from other city owns "companies". | |
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They want a 3rd choice for services - when actually there are other choices- especially for tv.
Internet you have options as well. I don't see why they need to spend millions of dollars for a network that will never fully serve its purpose an that can be killed by any bill that goes in front of Congress - like the one that is now. EPB in TN will be one of those networks. they won't be able to survive off the funds they bring in. They'll raise their prices in line with Comcast and ATT and people will bitch about that and toss out the current mayors and who ever else that voted for the network to move in.
the Gov't has a duty to protect their citizens and by spending millions on a network like this is NOT one of them. We have private businesses that do that and if you're not happy with them, free market gives you the right to start your own.
Stop using the term "free market". A free market is an academic concept that requires zero barrier of entry, perfect competition, perfectly rational consumers, etc.
There's no such thing.
All Econ 101 textbooks and classes will teach you that governments are the most efficient entities at building and provisioning infrastructure. They built the phone lines, they can build the fiber. | |
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Toledo, OH | Re: You must be new to these forums.. there is a free market place. It is for businesses only. You are free to start your own company regardless. Cities are NOT. Due to they are gov't entities and are NOT private citizens.
And NOT all Econ 101 text books tell you that. You may want to get a few updated books.
and The gov't did NOT build out the phone network; ATT did. it was NEVER the gov't.
So instead of claiming here is Zero free market why don't you prove me wrong and try and do it. If there was a barrier you would face it. In actually you will NOT. WOW! has shown that by expanding their network in the Cleveland market. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: You must be new to these forums.. said by Arty50:Show me the clause in the US Constitution that says cities are not allowed to compete in the marketplace.
It won't be in the US Constitution. The imposition of restrictions on state and local governments from entering into a particular business are by definition reserved powers. There is absolutely nothing illegal about a state passing a law that says that no municipal government within that state is allowed to offer Cable TV or Internet to people.
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"there is a free market place. It is for businesses only. You are free to start your own company regardless. Cities are NOT. Due to they are gov't entities and are NOT private citizens."
Cities are free to enter marketplaces however they want unless there is a specific law restricting them from participating in a given marketplace. I repeat though, there is no defacto ban at any level which prevents cities from entering marketplaces in general. In a perfect marketplace (which will never exist), public and private competition is welcome. That's why no one was stupid enough to codify such silliness in the Constitution. Hence my point. | |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by sonicmerlin:All Econ 101 textbooks and classes will teach you that governments are the most efficient entities at building and provisioning infrastructure. They built the phone lines, they can build the fiber. Good grief. Is this what they teach in public schools these days? No wonder we're doomed.
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| said by sonicmerlin:All Econ 101 textbooks and classes will teach you that governments are the most efficient entities at building and provisioning infrastructure. Absolutely true (well, unless they have started re-writing the books that is!). As soon as you factor 'people getting rich' on top of an otherwise identical project, efficiency MUST go down, there is no way around it. | |
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Because a ferrari is just like the internet. Freaking neo con trolls. | |
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Because a ferrari is just like the internet. Freaking neo con trolls. No different than reading drivel from "Freaking liberal trolls". If you can't discuss without name calling, why are you here? Oh your view is the correct view and it gives you the right to name call to get your point across. You offer nothing of value in your post except to drive by and name call. I bet your mother is proud of what you have become.
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Toledo, OH | Re: What I read... he can't without calling names. And the funny thing is he claims what the US needs to do and can- but last he was posting he's NOT even in America. | |
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Valley Stream, NY | People Need to stop this crap It is all about money. You cannot force company to invest in something that will fail. That's what subsidies are for.
Lots of governments fail to realize that. What happened to that when back in a day, incentives were given to bring company to the town?
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2 edits | I will say it yet again Everything is racist these days, but this accusation is starting to loose it's power from over use.
All of the billions being wasted on bogus green projects could instead be used to fund and start on a project like the Rural Electric Association (REA). A long term project to lay fiber across the country. The project would take years to complete but would be the type of investment to the national infrastructure that would pay off like the REA, and The National Defense interstate Highway System. The problem is politics a project like this is such that I would be hard for any single party to take credit for it. In order for it to work this national fiber network would have to be everywhere, Republican, and Democratic, rural and intercity, east and west, north and south. Sadly with today's cut throat politics this will never happen.
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| | | | Re: I will say it yet again said by Transmaster:Everything is racist these days, but this accusation is starting to loose it's power from over use.
All of the billions being wasted on bogus green projects could instead be used to fund and start on a project like the Rural Electric Association (REA). A long term project to lay fiber across the country. The project would take years to complete but would be the type of investment to the national infrastructure that would pay off like the REA, and The National Defense interstate Highway System. The problem is politics a project like this is such that I would be hard for any single party to take credit for it. In order for it to work this national fiber network would have to be everywhere, Republican, and Democratic, rural and intercity, east and west, north and south. Sadly with today's cut throat politics this will never happen.
How many billions are "wasted on bogus green projects"?
Why are green projects bogus, when China invested $40 billion in solar alone just last year?
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Cheyenne, WY | Re: I will say it yet again said by sonicmerlin:How many billions are "wasted on bogus green projects"?
Why are green projects bogus, when China invested $40 billion in solar alone just last year?
Do you understand how investments work? Sigh I don't care. Keep paying $700 billion a year to send armies overseas to fight 3rd world countries with sticks.
I apparently understand investment better then you do. You state the very reason why state side government grants to companies trying to manufacturer solar cells might as well have been poured into a septic tank. It is because of China, their low production costs, cheap labor, no environmental standards means they can produce solar panels far cheaper then anything that can be made in the States, and the quality of these panels are very good. Investment in high tech batteries is a big waste of money as well when world wide automotive companies are investing many, many billions of dollars every year in battery research, The government isn't needed. If you want to know how smart Government investment in green projects are take a look at the Chevy Volt, GM was forced by the government to produce a car they knew damn well would not sell, and in fact many Chevy dealers across the country will not sell the car at all.
As for the billions spent on national defense, go to this site and learn what we are up against. »www.jihadwatch.org/ and how stupid Washington is these days.
A government built out of a national fiber optic system on the other hand is an investment that will pay off for decades to come. Fiber is just a hose the technology is at each end as lasers emitters get ever narrower in angstroms, and the detectors ever tighter more and more data will be able to travel down these optical hoses. The impact on the national economy would be staggering. If you are looking for a green angle learn about telecommuting. There are many jobs that can be done remotely. Just think what it would mean in energy savings, and emissions if instead of traveling to work you can either stay at home or travel a very short distance to a remote office. You could live in a great community like Thermopolis, Wyoming while working for a company in Denver, Colorado. The impact this would have on the economies of small towns across the country would be profound. None of this will happen with politicians that feed us a nothing but a line of crap every election cycle.
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Mount Airy, MD | said by sonicmerlin:How many billions are "wasted on bogus green projects"? Uh? Solyndra? Pathstone Corp? Beacon Power? Have you not heard of these companies that were the recipients of government aid under this and previous administrations? Perhaps you should google "Obama green energy failures" and you will have a better idea about why these projects are bogus (though to be fair Obama isn't the only president guilty of wasting money on green energy BS). And then there's of course the Chevy Volt that no one wants to drive, yet we're required to subsidize anyway.
said by sonicmerlin:Why are green projects bogus, when China invested $40 billion in solar alone just last year? Who cares what China does with its own money? But besides that, many of these companies that we poured money into made their products in China. So much for helping out the average American.
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What kind of gas station/convenience store is like that?
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Toledo, OH | Re: Please, cry me a river. VZ should be smart at this point and sell off this market and let them sit with who ever wants it. And then back and drop wireless in and be done with it and run them out.
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| | | Re: FiOS upgrades You counter the problems by getting VOLUME in the high rises and apartment complexes. You develop a system and it becomes nothing. I think they've learned some lessons from deploying in NY. Of course this deployment issue is more complicated than racism. | |
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| | | said by IowaCowboy:If they think Verizon is being racist, there is always the court system. Their results may vary.
I think the real reason urban areas are not upgraded is the logistical nightmare of upgrading urban areas (appartment complexes, high rises, etc). Installing FiOS in a single family or duplex is much easier than wiring a 60 story high rise or an apartment building which requires tenants to allow access to their units. Also many urban units have underground service (which is a logistical issue to install).
Ultimately businesses don't care about race, they care about money and ROI.
On the other hand corporations don't let cities wire themselves, so we're at a standstill. | |
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| | NWOhio
join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH | Re: FiOS upgrades Cities can wire themselves. It's called hire a private company to do it. And there are companies that will do it. The fact is Cities will NOT spend what it costs to maintain that network and provide all the services these people want. And at prices that are not feasible. | |
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 Smith6612Premium,MVM
join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:21 | Calling people racists... doesn't sound like Buffalo to me. I thought we were the city of Good Neighbors, not Pound each other into the sand because xyz won't do this? | |
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| | | Re: Calling people racists... I live an area that used to have two cable companies, wireless internet (old-style required a roof antenna), and, at that time Pacific Bell. All competed for my business. Comcast bought cable company two, the wireless internet went out of business, and what became AT&T decided, after they started construction, that we were not worthy of the U-Verse upgrade. Our current infrastructure is such that DSL is not an option because the wiring between my house and the RT is a mess leaving Comcast as the only option for me. Is this racist because in my town the population is racially shifting? No. It is because companies don't think there is money to be made. AT&T does not want to spend the money because landline business is going away. Only re-regulation forcing companies to provide a product to an area will cause changes to be made. That is not going to happen. | |
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| | I think... Verizon is racist for refusing to install Fios in our 99% WHITE neighborhood. | |
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| | Racist Why chase a service that does not want your buisness.... Just yet !!!! Why Burn to give them your hard earned bucks for CEO perks. | |
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Yezidi
join:2009-11-17
Brooklyn, NY | It's not about race... FiOS is a dud; they're losing money on it. Have they begun raising rates yet?Any way, they can't afford to deploy it everywhere so they cherry pick. It's about money not race. | |
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| | | Re: It's not about race... said by Yezidi:FiOS is a dud; they're losing money on it. Have they begun raising rates yet?Any way, they can't afford to deploy it everywhere so they cherry pick. It's about money not race.
Who said they're losing money on FIOS? | |
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| | NWOhio
join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH | Re: It's not about race... Verizon has said that over and over again. The uptake is NOT what they thought it would be and its taking MORE than what they thought to gain those customers. Why else do you think they're stopping deploying into new markets? | |
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| | another load of crap from a Statist author who hates private property and wants everything in the public domain.
Hey Karl and the city of Buffalo, since when is any company beholden to you? Sure you can lobby, petition, and complain about Verizon passing you over, but calling them racist? seriously? stop looking at race and look at income or wealth. i guarantee you no major business, which always ALWAYS get accused of looking at people/customers as statistics, gives one crap what ethnicity their customers are when looking to expand or invest. It's almost always entirely about their ROI, which often is a product of the income/wealth or ability to pay for such service. | |
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 EGeezerSummertimePremium
join:2002-08-04
Midwest
kudos:7 | What happened to all the "incentive" tax breaks? Where is the buildout to rural and small communities that they promised? | |
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| | think about it everyone is getting a little crazy about this.
Verizon announced they were halting new FiOS builds right after Obama announced his initiative to get "90% of americans" high-speed internet access. so i think that Verizon is waiting for the government to pay them to resume build-outs, rather than spend their own capital. the timing was eerie.
i doubt they will publicly admit this, but prove me wrong. | |
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