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CCI Confirms 'Six Strikes' Kick Off
'Groundbreaking and Collaborative Effort to Curb Online Piracy'
by Karl Bode Tuesday 26-Feb-2013 tags: legal · Fileswapping · business · consumers
As noted yesterday morning, the entertainment industry and most of the largest ISPs have officially kicked off their "six strikes" initiative starting today, using various methods ranging from temporary click through alerts to throttling to try and scare off pirates. A blog post by the Center for Copyright Information, the entertainment-industry run outfit tasked with operating the system, confirms that the system is indeed going live this week. The CCI's Jill Lessner had this to say about "beginning of the implementation phase" of the Copyright Alert System (CAS):

"From content creators and owners to distributors to consumers, we all benefit from a better understanding of the choices available and the rights and responsibilities that come with using digital content, thereby helping to drive investment in content creation and innovative services that offer exciting ways to enjoy music, video and all digital content," says Lesser.

Surely that includes educating consumers on fair use rights? If you're using a member ISP that's involved in this effort, I'd be curious to hear if your ISP's FAQ and support material has been adequately updated to educate you about the new systems that are in place. I'm also of course interested in hearing experiences from people who navigate the new warning system.

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Never make any difference

If the entertainment industry can afford a full time lobby with an army of lawyers I guess they don't need my money.

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said by DataRiker:

If the entertainment industry can afford a full time lobby with an army of lawyers I guess they don't need my money.

Couldn't have said it better myself. The amount of money they spend on lawyers, lobbyists and politicians they could instead invest into producing better content and/or passing the savings on to the customers, making their entertainment more affordable and accessible. Instead, that money goes towards the purpose of alienating more and more paying customers.

They claim that their "artists" are poor and starving? Well, I hope that copyright theft continues until one day they experience firsthand what poor and starving really means.
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Re: Never make any difference

Politicians are actually a bargain. Much cheaper than real reforms like "a la carte" offerings, worldwide release, reasonable licensing rates, etc.

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Now that the Department of Homeland security, and the unlimited power they wield, are starting to get into the Anti-Piracy Corporate profit margins enforcement business, I think it's time for consumers everywhere to be afraid.
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If the entertainment industry can afford a full time lobby with an army of lawyers I guess they don't need my money.

Content owners, or as we call them, property owners, have rights. The right to sell at a price set by the owner is accepted. Can you sell property at a price you believe to be fair? If someone disagrees can they just steal from you?

I believe copyright law is more the problem, we don't have much in the way of fair use, and copyrights seem to be eternal now.
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Re: Never make any difference

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If someone disagrees can they just steal from you?

it isn't stealing.
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said by pandora:

If someone disagrees can they just steal from you?

it isn't stealing.

Lets clear this up with a link and quote from the U.S. copyright office - »www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-f···html#p2p

Is it legal to download works from peer-to-peer networks and if not, what is the penalty for doing so?

Uploading or downloading works protected by copyright without the authority of the copyright owner is an infringement of the copyright owner's exclusive rights of reproduction and/or distribution. Anyone found to have infringed a copyrighted work may be liable for statutory damages up to $30,000 for each work infringed and, if willful infringement is proven by the copyright owner, that amount may be increased up to $150,000 for each work infringed. In addition, an infringer of a work may also be liable for the attorney's fees incurred by the copyright owner to enforce his or her rights.

Whether or not a particular work is being made available under the authority of the copyright owner is a question of fact. But since any original work of authorship fixed in a tangible medium (including a computer file) is protected by federal copyright law upon creation, in the absence of clear information to the contrary, most works may be assumed to be protected by federal copyright law.

Since the files distributed over peer-to-peer networks are primarily copyrighted works, there is a risk of liability for downloading material from these networks. To avoid these risks, there are currently many "authorized" services on the Internet that allow consumers to purchase copyrighted works online, whether music, ebooks, or motion pictures. By purchasing works through authorized services, consumers can avoid the risks of infringement liability and can limit their exposure to other potential risks, e.g., viruses, unexpected material, or spyware.

For more information on this issue, see the Register of Copyrights' testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.


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said by pandora:

Content owners, or as we call them, property owners, have rights. The right to sell at a price set by the owner is accepted. Can you sell property at a price you believe to be fair? If someone disagrees can they just steal from you?

I believe copyright law is more the problem, we don't have much in the way of fair use, and copyrights seem to be eternal now.

The "problem" is economics. You sell a product without scarcity at your own risk.

Most markets have natural protections against piracy. Take medicine for example. When I was in south east Asia counterfeit prescription drugs where everywhere. But everybody knows where to buy legitimate drugs too, and most often people seek them out because of their perceived quality standards. Some people are willing to take a risk (although the generics are often made in regular pharma labs) and some are not. Its a market, and both survive.

Counterfeit clothes are extremely similar.
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The "problem" is economics. You sell a product without scarcity at your own risk.

I snipped the rest of your post, as it isn't applicable in most of the developed world. Yes, in 2nd and 3rd world nations, copyright and patent aren't respected much. In the west, and U.S. in particular, copyright and patent are respected by law.

In the developed world, you steal copyrighted material by using it without agreement from the owner or their designee. All economic resources are scarce. Without scarcity of something, there is no economic model to build on.

Here is a link describing copyright law in the U.S. »www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-g···tml#what

What is copyright?

Copyright is a form of protection grounded in the U.S. Constitution and granted by law for original works of authorship fixed in a tangible medium of expression. Copyright covers both published and unpublished works.

What does copyright protect?
Copyright, a form of intellectual property law, protects original works of authorship including literary, dramatic, musical, and artistic works, such as poetry, novels, movies, songs, computer software, and architecture. Copyright does not protect facts, ideas, systems, or methods of operation, although it may protect the way these things are expressed.

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Yes, I posted it because I find it a better and more practical business model.

Most of Asia is communal culture and the process of demonizing private is relatively foreign in both a property and intellectual sense.

As for being "developed" that is a highly debatable term. I find their education and inner cities to be much more highly developed and civilized than our own.
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Yes, I posted it because I find it a better and more practical business model.

Most of Asia is communal culture and the process of demonizing private is relatively foreign in both a property and intellectual sense.

As for being "developed" that is a highly debatable term. I find their education and inner cities to be much more highly developed and civilized than our own.

The U.S. when developing, ignored mostly U.K. copyrights. That other nations are doing the same to ours, today, is no surprise. Copyrights, trademarks, and patents help enrich those who own them. At the same time, they attract investment to create various works.

We could roll back our copyright duration, and roll back draconian penalties. However we don't.

As to education in the U.S. it's a mess. We have an industrial age education system which doesn't work well in the information age.

Our culture at this time, will not change copyright, trademark, patent, or education substantially. It is unfortunate. However, it is our law.
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Quote "Can you sell property at a price you believe to be fair? If someone disagrees can they just steal from you?

If a State exerts eminent domain you will take what they give you so yes it happens. How about "rent control"? You don't have the right to sell living space at a price you want. You can't sell milk in California at a price lower than what the State says. Lots of examples of the State/Federal telling you what you can sell your property for. I know we're talking about Content owners here so I digress.
Copyright law is just another example of a good idea commandeered by special interests. The individual artist is nowhere to be found because they are not the "Content owner".
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Quote "Can you sell property at a price you believe to be fair? If someone disagrees can they just steal from you?

If a State exerts eminent domain you will take what they give you so yes it happens. How about "rent control"? You don't have the right to sell living space at a price you want. You can't sell milk in California at a price lower than what the State says. Lots of examples of the State/Federal telling you what you can sell your property for. I know we're talking about Content owners here so I digress.
Copyright law is just another example of a good idea commandeered by special interests. The individual artist is nowhere to be found because they are not the "Content owner".

Our government makes the rules, and can by legislation change contracts without due process.

We get the government the people want. Apparently we want virtually eternal copyright protection, and draconian enforcement of copyright. Our leaders are responding to the will of the people.

Copyright longevity is decided by law, the law can be changed. Any civil society should function within the law. If you or I don't care for a particular law, we can try to get it changed.
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said by pandora:

Any civil society should function within the law. If you or I don't care for a particular law, we can try to get it changed.

That is Ironic. If our founding fathers had heeded that message their would be no America.
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said by pandora:

Any civil society should function within the law. If you or I don't care for a particular law, we can try to get it changed.

That is Ironic. If our founding fathers had heeded that message their would be no America.

Revolution is within the context of our civil rights. Rulers rule with consent of the governed. Thus our 1st and 2nd amendments to the bill of rights (thank you anti-federalists).

Revolution at the ballot box, or the point of a gun, is the story of all history. When a system breaks down, people revolt.

Personally, I prefer the ballot box. As I'm too old and set in my ways to want any violent disruption of my life or any other. I don't see a violent revolution in the U.S. during my lifetime or that of my children. Long term, who knows. Our cyber overlords may eventually be the deciders.
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Revolution is within the context of our civil rights. Rulers rule with consent of the governed. Thus our 1st and 2nd amendments to the bill of rights (thank you anti-federalists).

Revolution at the ballot box, or the point of a gun, is the story of all history. When a system breaks down, people revolt.

Personally, I prefer the ballot box. As I'm too old and set in my ways to want any violent disruption of my life or any other. I don't see a violent revolution in the U.S. during my lifetime or that of my children. Long term, who knows. Our cyber overlords may eventually be the deciders.

What a non response.
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What a non response.

The US is past the point of solvency. We bankrupted our kids and kid's kids generation, and possibly the generation after that.

You can't "fix" debt, just like you can't quit poverty.

Nope, it's quite a response. Complex systems take a long time to fail, and prediction of failure is difficult. Our culture is very complex, and failure will take a very long time, and be all but impossible to predict until it occurs.

As to fixing debt, virtually all fiat currency fails. Very few understand the actions of our treasury and federal reserve. Many see the effects of their action, but few understand what is happening. Those who understand are apt to have better than average education, with ability to be protected from the ravages of significant inflation.

I'd direct you to shadowstats or other similar websites.
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Fiat currencies are not complex at all, nor are the actions of the federal reserve and treasury hard to understand. The more money they print and lend at low interest rates, the less debt they (US gov) effectively pay at the expense of US dollar holders, while assuring rich have access to essentially free capital (low to no interest loans) With their assurance that market forces will adjust labor and commodities accordingly, only that doesn't happen in unison (if at all) and the middle class pays a heavy price.

Ron Paul has a lot of literature on the subject, obviously from the Austrian school of economics.

I personally like the Austrian school of economics and would love to see gold currency.

But to the original point Austrian economics is incredibly simplistic, unlike the failure of complex and hard to follow conclusions of Keynesian economics. ( which never seem to pan out, with supporters saying "but it wasn't done properly!" ).
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Fiat currencies are not complex at all, nor are the actions of the federal reserve and treasury hard to understand.

Our currency went to pure fiat when Charles de Galle demanded gold for dollars from the U.S. when Richard Nixon was President. We didn't have enough gold to cover outstanding currency in friendly foreign hands at any reasonable conversion rate.

Borrowing from ourselves to cover fiat cash by the trillion is a relatively recent development. The federal reserve was always buyer of last resort. Treasury rates were affected and somewhat limited by Fed policy. Today, the federal reserve will print as many trillion as it or the treasury want without regard to inflationary concerns. Domestic interest rates are kept artificially low. Supposedly to stimulate our economy.

The easy cash policy is in part due to the belief system of Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke. Printing many trillions over a short period of time, is new. Eventually our dollar will no longer be the world's reserve currency. Once the world goes off the dollar, printing as we have will cause tremendous inflation.

When a currency collapses, economic activity is near impossible as barter is too difficult and time consuming. Another currency must replace the dead one, quickly, but must have perceived value that the dead currency lacked.

Unpleasantness ahead.

If you believe everyone understands this, or how and why the Fed was created, then you must live with amazingly smart people. Most people I meet have no clue.
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said by pandora:

We get the government the people want. Apparently we want virtually eternal copyright protection, and draconian enforcement of copyright. Our leaders are responding to the will of the people.

It's been a long while since I've heard someone earnestly express conviction that the people of the U.S. are being well represented in any area of interest to big business. Your words would be charmingly nostalgic if they weren't so far off mark.

I urge you to study both the history of copyright and the last decade of global legislative corruptions by the copyright investment & trading industry. There is little representative governance nor respect for writ or practiced law to be found.
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said by pandora:

We get the government the people want. Apparently we want virtually eternal copyright protection, and draconian enforcement of copyright. Our leaders are responding to the will of the people.

It's been a long while since I've heard someone earnestly express conviction that the people of the U.S. are being well represented in any area of interest to big business. Your words would be charmingly nostalgic if they weren't so far off mark.

I urge you to study both the history of copyright and the last decade of global legislative corruptions by the copyright investment & trading industry. There is little representative governance nor respect for writ or practiced law to be found.

I believe the system is corrupt. However, look at our first lady, granting best picture to those who own the copyrighted material in discussion. The political elite, business elite, and entertainment elite grow ever closer and more comfortable in each others company.

Those outside the elite, fall for "hope and change" and wind up "hopeless and in despair".

There was no good choice for President either way, in almost all modern election cycles virtually all candidates were owned by the status quo.

When an occupy party or a tea party are created, they'll be blasted by both established parties, and by those who believe their interests are aligned with those parties.

Italy today, voted more of the same with no reforms. Rejecting any attempt to mange their government. People get what they vote for.

In the U.S. we vote for well packaged candidates who sing songs we like and offer freebies that are appealing.

We fall for this stuff. We consume it. We vote it into power.

Then someone like you has the audacity to call me charming and unknowing of history. ROFL.
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If the entertainment industry can afford a full time lobby with an army of lawyers I guess they don't need my money.

Yep. You don't need their products, they don't need your money.
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Yep. You don't need their products, they don't need your money.

Agreed. Feel better?

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Stay away from BitTorrent software, and you have nothing to fear. The copyright trackers are only monitoring P2P systems and those SHARING content.

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said by Linklist:

Stay away from BitTorrent software, and you have nothing to fear.

Nothing wrong with legal torrents. I find it a heck of alot faster to download an image then through FTP or HTTP.

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I've never seen the words fear and copyright infringement associated with one another.

Rest assured, nobody is losing sleep over this.
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I rent movies that are legally available, but for those that aren't, I torrent them. Have fun catching me though, as I use a VPN.

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Have fun catching me though, as I use a VPN.

See this »Re: what about the 7th time ?
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So, when people figure out that nothing really happens after the 6th strike then this whole "prevent piracy" theory falls flat on its face.

The only point is control and greed, and this is coming from a guy who doesn't pirate.
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You can't track them. They put multipler users on an IP, and delete the logs. It's impossible, even if someone made them turn over what info they [don't] have. I feel like where the MPAA has still made an artificial vacuum for content (i.e. the restrictive release windows), people will find a way to pirate the stuff, regardless of this sort of BS.
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Sounds like a politically correct non-answer to me. Obviously they 'have access to' specific data, whether they choose to monitor it or not is something they would only ever admit to for network maintenance.

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here is what time warner says about usage and monitoring of data.

Question:
Is it legal for Time Warner Cable to monitor my Internet and data usage? Who does Time Warner Cable share this information with?
Answer:
Time Warner Cable does not monitor or have access to specific data on your Internet usage (such as websites visited or files downloaded) – only information on the amount of data used. Time Warner Cable keeps usage information confidential and does not share this information with any third-party company.

TWC doesn't need to access your specific data - the FBI does that for them.
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said by cmatties:

here is what time warner says about usage and monitoring of data......

Answer:
Time Warner Cable does not monitor or have access to specific data on your Internet usage (such as websites visited or files downloaded) - only information on the amount of data used. Time Warner Cable keeps usage information confidential and does not share this information with any third-party company.

Wow, so they are saying TWC essentially doesn't keep logs aside from aggregate usage numbers? That's patently false. They do capture and sell users clickstream data, and spell out sharing data with 'partners' in at least three different sections of their privacy policy here- »www.timewarnercable.com/en/about···icy.html
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MAFIAA SCAM!!

The Spokesperson must be ill informed or just stupid because The Pirate Bay is a legit source to gain content from. Artists freely create content and distribute it for people to consume and enjoy.

This 6 strikes is a Scam run by MAFIAA who apparently do not understanding the concept of TPB being a legitement content distributor.
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said by DanteX:

The Spokesperson must be ill informed or just stupid because The Pirate Bay is a legit source to gain content from. Artists freely create content and distribute it for people to consume and enjoy.

This 6 strikes is a Scam run by MAFIAA who apparently do not understanding the concept of TPB being a legitement content distributor.

The Pirate Bay's legal content is probably under 1% of what's under there. It's incredibly tiny.

Face it, TPB is a site whose primary purpose is piracy, not legal file-sharing.

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Big whoopie

Nothing will change. The few idiots who don't know what they're doing will probably stop or face the wrath, the people that know what they're doing will simply pay $10 for a VPN with unlimited bandwidth that can easily max out their 15/2Mbps connection. It's almost as much as the damn $7 modem rental per month and far less than the average rate hikes on Cable TV each year.

...and let it be known that on that day not a single F#@& was given.

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I'm wondering

What do you think will happen to all the people who use Ice films,Navi-x, etc especially those who run it through an Apple TV???

BTW people who have a "moded" Apple TV think some how Apple is supplying the programing???? Ask someone with a "trick" Apple TV they have no idea what is going on.

This all should be interesting very soon, I'm sure there are plans for the 6 strikes. LOL.

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This really amounts to a corporate gang enforcing their own justice without due process.

And lets not forget that nearly all of these ISPs utilize public right of ways to provide their services to customers. Therefor they have some obligation not to withhold service without due process.

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Broadband service was defined as information services so the broadband service providers did not fall under the laws for public utilities. Unfortunately the entire telecommunication learned how to buy lawmakers at all levels. So citizens now have the most corrupt government money can buy. Until broadband service is redefined as a necessary public utility citizens are screwed. Apparently the fact that broadband service providers use public right of ways does not hold water defining them as public utilities. Remember the cable industry was originally defined as an entertainment service.

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Ok people, time to start shopping for a new ISP. If you receive a notice, I suggest you fire your ISP. Make sure you let them know why they are fired. I realize that if you switch from Centurylink to Comcast, and I switch from Comcast to Cenurylink, neither of these companies have lost a customer, but as someone who has worked in the telco industry, I can tell you that customer churn is expensive. If thousands of people do this, it's gonna get really expensive. And believe me, they are paying attention. Another thing you can do, is to do some research on some of your more local independent ISPs. You may be surprised to find you have more choice than you thought.
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Ok people, time to start shopping for a new ISP.

Fixed it for you.
I'm actually quite hopeful that so-called Six Strikes will spur creation of small munis and owner-operated ISPs. Not for the purpose of pirating, per se, but simply because there's growing impatience for the antics & pricing of incumbent ISPs and the government. If the ISPs follow through with aggressive throttling and suspension periods it will really piss off people just as consumer whitespace spectrum becomes widely known and comprehended.

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