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CES Fires CNET Over CBS Hopper Flap
Restores Hopper Best of Show Award
by Karl Bode 08:56AM Friday Feb 01 2013 Tipped by Koil See Profile
CBS's Hopper screw up continues to bring bad news to the company, with no sign of enlightenment coming from company executives. CBS recently forced CNET to pull a CES best-of-show award for Dish's ad-skipping Hopper DVR because CBS doesn't like the technology. After being criticized Internet wide for polluting CNET's editorial standards CBS tried to pretend they were imposing some new, faux-ethical standard, saying they'd no longer allow CNET to review any product from a company CBS was engaged in lawsuits with.

Now things have gotten worse for CBS and CNET, with CES themselves announcing that they've fired CNET over the scuff up. CES President Gary Shapiro was refreshingly blunt in a statement:
quote:
"We are shocked that the ‘Tiffany’ network which is known for its high journalistic standards would bar all its reporters from favorably describing classes of technology the network does not like."
He was even more blunt in an editorial in USAToday:
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"CBS ... will never be viewed again as pristine," wrote Shapiro. "The ethical media rule is that corporate business interests should never interfere in journalism—or at least not so blatantly, publicly, and harmfully. It made me wonder if 60 Minutes had ever suffered the same treatment."
CES even went so far as to re-instate the best of show award that CBS managed to take away through editorial meddling. Meanwhile showing CBS has learned nothing, they issued a rote statement that answers absolutely none of the questions being directed at the company:
quote:
“As the No. 1 tech news and reviews site in the world, CNET is committed to delivering in-depth coverage of consumer electronics. We look forward to covering CES and the latest developments from the show as we have for well over a decade."
The enjoyment Dish and Charlie Ergen are getting from all of this is probably immeasurable.

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wmcbrine
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Broken link on "in a statement"

n/t

cableties
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Re: Broken link on "in a statement"

Works now (atleast for me).

Go CES, give the CBS a black eye!
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From The "You're Just Figuring This Out?" Dept.

That CBS would influence its journalists comes as no surprise to anybody that's been watching what's happened to American journalism over the last few decades. This is just the latest, and most blatant, in a long line, a nearly continuous line, of compromises in journalistic integrity. In fact: The word "journalism" has become so tainted in American media so as to be a running joke.

I have an ex-girlfriend that was a Journalism major and was once a journalist. She got out of it years and years ago, when she saw where it was headed. She is so embarrassed by what has become of the field she once loved that she tends to avoid mentioning it to people.

Journalists such as Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite must be spinning in their graves

Jim

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Re: From The "You're Just Figuring This Out?" Dept.

The MSM has become a fifth column.

And "Uncle Walter" wouldn't be so uncomfortable as you might think.
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And the final nail in the coffin for CNET

Now that CES has ditched CNET (and CBS), you can kiss CNET goodbye as CBS will try and unload itself of what it thinks is the issue (CNET made a bad decision.) Problem is CBS made the decision for CNET and CNET will pay the price while CBS continues on and makes the same mistakes over and over again.
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Any more fallout at CNET?

Does anyone know if there's been any more fallout at CNET, such as more writers leaving or a downturn in site visits? I guess I could go there to see who's writing the articles, but I refuse to visit them and add even one digit to their visitor count.

Even if no one besides Greg Sandoval has left, I have to think that resumes are being shopped around or at least updated.

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Does this surpise you? Rememebr Dan Rather?

Does anyone care to remember why Dan Rather was fired left CBS news?
Austinloop

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Re: Does this surpise you? Rememebr Dan Rather?

Didn't Mr. Blather try to pass off, as real, some fake documents on the evening news? I beleive that he did.

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Re: Does this surpise you? Rememebr Dan Rather?

It was fake documents related to George W Bush's military service just before the 2004 elections.
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Re: Does this surpise you? Rememebr Dan Rather?

I know, I just didn't want to stir up a political thing.

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Re: Does this surpise you? Rememebr Dan Rather?

Regardless of who the candidate is or their party this kind of thing should not be tolerated and there should be some sort of civil or criminal punishment for doing such.
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Re: Does this surpise you? Rememebr Dan Rather?

I totally agree, Blather, unfortunately, has, or did have, a home in this town, I am sorry to say.
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CBS

This is hardly a concern for CBS. People will forget about it in a matter of a year or so. They always do.
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Re: CBS

Perhaps some or most do; I remember their reporting on the Tet Offensive.

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ISurfTooMuch

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It depends. What may hurt CNET more is a damaged relationship with tech companies. You can believe the news of CNET getting booted from CES has made the rounds in these companies. Now, would these companies be as eager to work with CNET, knowing that, on a whim, CBS can erase anything that CNET has to say about them? Under these circumstances, if you work at one of these companies, and you have missed calls from a CNET reporter and a reporter from a site with not so tarnished a reputation, whose call will you return first?

What you may end up with is a degradation of CNET's relationship with the manufacturers, which will lead to a degradation in the quality of what goes on their site. Sooner or later, that will catch up with them.

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said by silbaco:

This is hardly a concern for CBS. People will forget about it in a matter of a year or so. They always do.

Jeff Gerstmann never forgets.
...
Until CBS bought out GiantBomb.
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"known for its high journalistic standards"

You can't make this stuff up.

Oh wait, they do.
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It's a start

They should threaten to ban CNET from CES if CBS isn't willing to drop that restriction and promise they will permit CNET to provide unbiased reviews.

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Heh..

“As the No. 1 tech news and reviews site in the world, CNET is committed to delivering in-depth coverage of consumer electronics. We look forward to covering CES and the latest developments from the show as we have for well over a decade."

Not if you keep producing bias reports like this. Being No.1 now doesn't mean squat if you're No. 20 next year.

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CBS / CNet cannot be trusted ever again

quote:
"CBS ... will never be viewed again as pristine," wrote Shapiro. "The ethical media rule is that corporate business interests should never interfere in journalism—or at least not so blatantly, publicly, and harmfully. It made me wonder if 60 Minutes had ever suffered the same treatment."
They have ... at the hands of CBS Corporate.

quote:
And both CBS and Wallace were sharply criticized when an interview Wallace had conducted with Jeffrey Wigand—a former big tobacco executive—was killed in what was widely seen as a cave-in to corporate pressure. (The events became the basis for the movie The Insider.) »gawker.com/mike-wallace/
Seems like CBS makes a habit of interfering in the reporting of news and cannot be trusted to be unbiased.

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Re: CBS / CNet cannot be trusted ever again

That was called "Tortuous Interference" on CBS corporates part. Again we are seeing it again at CBS. I personally don't watch CBS any more and gave up CNET a few years back due to there biased reviews.

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Re: CBS / CNet cannot be trusted ever again

I have't watched CBS in years.

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Get My News From FOX and BBR


I get my news from FOX and BBR. No ABC, no CBS, no NBC, no PBS (OPB).
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Re: Get My News From FOX and BBR

said by NOYB:


I get my news from FOX and BBR. No ABC, no CBS, no NBC, no PBS (OPB).

FOX... There is a contradiction in terms. They are worse.
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ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX = all corporate slanted (liberal/republican)
PBS = US gov't agenda
CBC = outside view.
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Re: Get My News From FOX and BBR

CBS has has a liberal slant as well - remember the fabricated charges against GWB?

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Don't think I could blame them

I don't think that I could blame them. Auto ad skipping, if it goes mainstream everywhere could spell the death of the industry. Either that or the retrans disputes will definitely get turned up 1000 degrees. It's nice to have ad free TV but the reality is that TV production and programming is expensive and someone has to pay for it. This right now is the advertiser. If they know their ads don't have a chance of being watched they're going to go somewhere else to advertise.

But I do agree that journalistic standards should not have a conflict of interest. CBS/CNET is clearly in the wrong here.

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Re: Don't think I could blame them

I agree that someone has to pay for it and I don't think by having one device that would limit or remove ads would change alot. Its about time the TV viewers had something to limit or remove the ads. I'm so sick of the crappy ads over the years, making people out to be like total complete idiots to make it look like there product would help. I really hope that DISH will give the viewers the ability to limit and remove them. LET THE VIEWER have some control. And it would be nice to have HW that keeps the sound levels ALL at the SAME levels. I still hate it when I'm watching a show and it cuts to an ad and the sound comes blaring out of the speakers during the ad. What they think that will make me buy something more? NOT! Ya it gets my attention, gets me to either mute the sound or change channels. I wish they would change that crap too.

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Re: Don't think I could blame them

said by BimmerE38FN:

... it would be nice to have HW that keeps the sound levels ALL at the SAME levels. I still hate it when I'm watching a show and it cuts to an ad and the sound comes blaring out of the speakers during the ad.

With the passage of the Commercial Advertisement Loudness Mitigation Act (CALM) into law on on December 15, 2010, networks who are still practicing or allowing this are now breaking the law.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial···tion_Act

The FCC is charged with enforcing this law, so file a complaint if you are experiencing this.
»www.fcc.gov/guides/program-backg···mercials

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Re: Don't think I could blame them

Awesome, thank you sir.

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said by fifty nine:

I don't think that I could blame them. Auto ad skipping, if it goes mainstream everywhere could spell the death of the industry.

How does the Hopper Auto Ad Skip (which BTW allows the Ad to be skipped once the recording is over 24 hours old - Not skip the Ad and never record it in the first place) differ from manually fast forwarding past the ad or (if I am watching as the show airs) leaving the room until the show resumes? All the payment to run an ad buys is inserting it into the show NOT any guarantee that it will be viewed by ANYONE. Until the sponsors pay ME to watch their ad, I have fulfilled my responsibility by recording and watching the show (but not necessarily their ads). They have gotten what they paid for once the ad is offered to me to be viewed. I do not have to watch it.
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Best advertising for DISH EVER

DISH and Ergen must be loving it. There is so much talk about this thing now!

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Welcome to the 21st century....

Journalists.....LOL.....making lawyers everywhere look like the good guys.

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LOL!

Cnet hasn't been relevant for years now. Big corporate ruins everything. One need look no further than terrestrial radio to see a shining example of that.

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Meh

I don't watch ads, but cat is in love with Hopper. She watches it, and ads with little kids.

As to advertisers: Where's the beef? Most ads aren't clever or even memorable.
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